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Sophomore Slumps?

10/21/2022 at 7:24am EDT

from Bob Duff of Detroit Hockey Now,

It is, as a fellow who used to coach the Red Wings was fond of saying, a small sample size. Yet the early returns are showing that the numbers aren’t adding up as easily so far for Raymond and Seider.

Like Larkin a 23-goal scorer as a rookie, Raymond has yet to dent the twine this season. En route to the Calder Trophy Seider was compiling 50 points last season, the most by a Red Wings rookie defender since Nicklas Lidstrom was arriving on the scene in 1991-92. Through three games, Seider hasn’t been able to put up a crooked number in the goals or assists column.

Should Red Wings Be Worried?

First of all, point-producing isn’t the only measurement of a player’s worth. Watching Detroit’s first three games, it would take a cynic to suggest that Seider and Raymond aren’t playing well for the Red Wings.

The message from new Detroit coach Derek Lalonde to last season’s rookie sensations is to stay true to who they are,both as people and as players.

“Control the things you can control,” Lalonde said. “Limit the moments.”



It looks like both kids have been moved to PP2 now, so NO, I would not expect them to score as much as they did last season when both were staples on PP1.

Hronek and Sunny are now seeing time on PP1 instead...

Saying that, Sunny did score on the PP so there's that.


Was hoping they'd wait until maybe at least 5 games were played before writing the premature hand-wringing articles.


What a pantload. I guess it was a slow news day for olde Bob so he resorts to this timeworn view ?? How many games have the Wings played?.....

LGRW !!!!!


Seriously? Where’s the story? Sheesh….
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!


Personally, I think Raymond is doing all the right things. He's skating hard, going to the net, and limiting his mistakes. He's a +4 through three games, and Mo is a +2. So I'm not worried about the points. They'll come in time. I'm just thrilled that both guys appear to have completely bought into Lalonde's system.

And let's not forget that Raymond has been playing with Copp and Vrana (and now Zadina) instead of Larkin and Bert. So it's probably going to take him some time to get into a rhythm with them. Same for Mo now playing with Chiarot. Mo and Lucas are both really smart players so they'll figure it out.


from Ted Kulfan of the Detroit News,

I've had success in this building; I like playing here," said Raymond after Friday's morning skate. "But every game is a new one. Different circumstances (every game)."

Raymond was still looking for his first goal through three games this season heading into Friday's game. He had two assists, and a plus-four rating, a testament to his and the Wings' overall defensive improvement and emphasis.

Fellow rookie sensation from a year ago Moritz Seider, who won the NHL's Calder Trophy for good measure, was looking for his first point thus far after three games.

If anything, it's a further testament to how hard the NHL is, and how difficult year two in the NHL can be compared to year one.

"It's a really hard league and they had a lot of success but that success was through hard work and they have to keep on top of why they had success," coach Derek Lalonde said. "That's every single night. It's good to be in this league, and another thing to be good every night."

As with everyone on the roster, Lalonde has made team defense a focus. Seider and Raymond are no different, with Lalonde wanting both young players to be focused on keeping the puck out of the Wings' net.

"They're still raw in their development and they have to manage their expectations," Lalonde said. "We'll do that for them. They're still growing and still creating habits.


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