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Wings Need To Make A Move At The Trade Deadline

from Pat Caputo of The Oakland Press,

There always seems to be concern about the Red Wings’ grit. Buffalo’s Steve Ott would bring that, and he will score his share of goals.

David Legwand is from Grosse Pointe. Although he is 33 and one of Nashville’s all-time great players, the former second overall NHL Draft pick still has a lot of jump. Legwand can help the Red Wings both on the power play and penalty kill, areas they need shoring up because Zetterberg is such a key component to their special team units. He’d have to waive a no-trade clause, but did grow up here.

Ales Hemsky has excellent offensive skill and could be had for a defensemen. Edmonton has a lot of high-end offensive talent taken at the very top of the NHL Draft in recent years, but is woeful along the blue line. The Red Wings do have some depth in their system defensively and there might be a match there.

There is some other higher-end talent scheduled for free agency in 2014 – the New York Islanders’ Thomas Vanek and Buffalo’s Matt Moulson, who were traded for each other earlier in the season, come to mind. But the cost in regard to draft picks and players might be prohibitive.

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Chet's avatar

this is tough. they need to clear out a few forwards already, making hemsky a dicy proposition. EDM would not just want third pairing D or utility forward types, though eaves, kindl, and a 4th for hemsky does address EDM’s need for veterans used to winning. would love to see the wings target dan girardi, but that’d cost em AND he’s nearly 30 on an expiring deal. risky…

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 02/25/14 at 09:28 AM ET

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Ales Hemsky has excellent offensive skill and could be had for a defensemen

Yeah, because Detroit’s blueline is so solid and deep as it is. The only thing more annoying than reading Caputo’s takes is listening to him fumble around through his own inconsistent and belligerent thoughts on the radio.

Ales Hemsky. Christ.

Posted by godblender on 02/25/14 at 09:29 AM ET

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I agree they need a move to make the playoffs, but for a dman, not another forward.  Although if they could get Stastny (highly unlikely, I know) for a reasonable price, that would be a tough one to turn down.

Posted by Hootinani on 02/25/14 at 09:30 AM ET

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3 forwards mentioned in the article, only one I would go for is Ott depending on price.
Giving a D-man for Hemsky when our D is already shaky doesn’t make much sense, if that really is the price tag for him.
I understand that loss of Z for the rest of the season hurts, but I feel like we are pretty deep at forward assuming everyone else stays healthy and Franzen and Weiss actually perform.
Wings need a top pair D-man to stabilize their D , but who is available at a realistic price?

Posted by George0211 on 02/25/14 at 09:35 AM ET

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In Paul’s post about one writer suggesting that the Oilers target Weber, that writer also suggested that the Oilers would want a “good prospect” who can “play now” in return for Hemsky. And I’ll say here what I said in that post: Why on earth would the Wings give up a “good prospect” who can “play now” (someone like Jurco?) for a rental with just seven goals and 24 points.

Jurco is on pace to put up those kinds of numbers himself. A Jurco-for-Hemsky deal would be nuts, even with Hank being out for the rest of the regular season.

I agree they need a move to make the playoffs, but for a dman, not another forward.

Posted by Hootinani

I agree 100%. And it had better be a D-man with at least one more year on his contract before Holland sends anyone (except maybe Ferraro or Frk) the other way.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 02/25/14 at 10:43 AM ET

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I continue to think a trade for Alex Edler is the most realistic scenario.  We know it was close to happening at the draft.  We know Edler has disappointed in Vancouver this season.  We know he played just fine at the Olympics.  We know defense is our real need.  And we know that Ken Holland’s default mode, at least in-season, is to add a veteran defenseman, rather than a forward.  Cf. trade deadlines in 2000, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2012.

Posted by captaineclectic on 02/25/14 at 11:41 AM ET

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Is Cory Cross still available?

Posted by VitoLambruski on 02/25/14 at 11:45 AM ET

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There always seems to be concern about the Red Wings’ grit.

—-Not by me there isn’t. No concern here

(list of names of forwards).

—-I don’t think we need a forward. Promote in-house.

Do you want to post a comment saying what everyone else already said?

—- Yes. Yes, I do.

Posted by alwaysaurie on 02/25/14 at 12:59 PM ET

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Pat Caputo of The Oakland Press,

This guy is grasping at straws to throw spaghetti on the wall and seeing what sticks to generate some much needed hits on his drivel. He just needs to stick to NFL rhetoric..

Posted by SnLO from the sub great-white north on 02/25/14 at 01:15 PM ET

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There always seems to be concern about the Red Wings’ grit.

That’s because it’s an indefinable element, largely bestowed randomly and in hindsight based on defined outcomes.

In other words, it’s bullshit, which is why so many talk radio types inevitably tab it as the reason teams win or lose. Because there is no way to prove or disprove its effect.

The Red Wings problem isn’t Grit™. It’s injuries and talent gap. Trading for Grit™ when you might not even be a playoff team is just throwing assets away.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 02/25/14 at 01:16 PM ET

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Grit is someone who can give their linemates some room.  Grit is someone that will stick up for all the cheapshots teams get away with.  Grit is someone who other teams hate playing against and focus their attention on said person rather than Zetterberg or Franzen types.  Grit is someone who doesn’t allow opposing forward to make snow angels in the Wings zone and run Howard at will.  Yes, the Wings lack grit, that lack that person who provides some “meanness” and holds other players accountable.  Grit is something that other teams always pay a premium for, even teams like Detroit who over pay for guys like Tootoo as opposed to grooming their own (until recent drafts post 2009).  I’m sick of seeing this team get physically imposed on by other teams.

Posted by bababooey on 02/25/14 at 02:28 PM ET

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Trading this year is dumb, Pat Caputo is dumb, Grit is dumb, and trade rumors are dumb.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 02/25/14 at 04:15 PM ET

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Grit is someone who can give their linemates some room.  Grit is someone that will stick up for all the cheapshots teams get away with.  Grit is someone who other teams hate playing against and focus their attention on said person rather than Zetterberg or Franzen types.  Grit is someone who doesn’t allow opposing forward to make snow angels in the Wings zone and run Howard at will.  Yes, the Wings lack grit, that lack that person who provides some “meanness” and holds other players accountable.  Grit is something that other teams always pay a premium for, even teams like Detroit who over pay for guys like Tootoo as opposed to grooming their own (until recent drafts post 2009).  I’m sick of seeing this team get physically imposed on by other teams.
   
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      on 02/25/14 at 01:28 PM ET

AMEN!

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 02/25/14 at 05:18 PM ET

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Trading this year is dumb, Pat Caputo is dumb, Grit is dumb, and trade rumors are dumb

That pretty well sums up this season. The only way Ken Holland makes a trade for a needed defense men, is to figure out which of the younger players he will not be able to protect from waivers next season. It is unlikely he can protect them all.

Posted by bigfrog on 02/25/14 at 06:59 PM ET

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That’s because it’s an indefinable element, largely bestowed randomly and in hindsight based on defined outcomes.

In other words, it’s bullshit, which is why so many talk radio types inevitably tab it as the reason teams win or lose. Because there is no way to prove or disprove its effect.

The Red Wings problem isn’t Grit™. It’s injuries and talent gap. Trading for Grit™ when you might not even be a playoff team is just throwing assets away.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 02/25/14 at 12:16 PM ET

Good take on that bullshit.

Posted by SK77 on 02/25/14 at 08:53 PM ET

42jeff's avatar

I don’t know…I like our team


—ducking—

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 02/26/14 at 06:26 PM ET

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