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The Search For A Goal Scoring Forward

from Ted Kulfan of the Detroit News,

This is the first in a series looking at the Red Wings' position-by-position needs entering free agency. Today: Forwards.

No team has struggled to score goals in the NHL this season like the Red Wings.

The Wings ranked last in goals scored (142), goals per game (two), and ranked 29th on the power play (14.9%).

After the top line of Tyler Bertuzzi, Dylan Larkin and Anthony Mantha, goal-scoring was lacking.

For that reason, expect the Red Wings to be active in landing a scoring forward during unrestricted free agency in the offseason later this year....

Tomas Nosek, Vegas

2019-20 stats: Eight goals, seven assists, 67 games

Cap hit: $1 million.

Analysis: The Wings lost Nosek in the expansion draft and he’s been a good depth player for Vegas. With the Knights’ salary cap issues, Nosek will likely find a home elsewhere and could possibly return to Detroit.

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MurrayChadwick's avatar

Sign a forward?  What is Kulfan smoking during this pandemic?  We actually have more forwards than we have spots for all of which need a chance to rotate in or out of the top 6 next season.

With what we’ve invested in from a draft perspective, on top of what we will do again this year if we land a top 1 or 2 pick, we should not be spending cap dollars on a forward.

Mantha and Zadina healthy should be sufficient for what is probably going to be a shortened season, if we end up near the bottom, that’s not the worse thing in the world.  At that point, we’ll likely go to market in search of a #2 center, unless we’ve drafted on.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/18/20 at 01:57 PM ET

d ca's avatar

Sign a forward?  What is Kulfan smoking during this pandemic?  We actually have more forwards than we have spots for all of which need a chance to rotate in or out of the top 6 next season.

With what we’ve invested in from a draft perspective, on top of what we will do again this year if we land a top 1 or 2 pick, we should not be spending cap dollars on a forward.

Mantha and Zadina healthy should be sufficient for what is probably going to be a shortened season, if we end up near the bottom, that’s not the worse thing in the world.  At that point, we’ll likely go to market in search of a #2 center, unless we’ve drafted on.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod’s pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/18/20 at 01:57 PM ET

I disagree in a technical way. I say we should spend cap space by moving Z’s contract—with 50% retained—to Arizona (or another max cap team and yes, I know technicality) and acquiring a draft pick which would have to be their 2nd this year or 1st in 2022 (as others are already in limbo because of their acquisition of Hall) and even take Hjalmarsson’s one-year bad contract too for even more—that gives waiver eligible d-men (Seider, Cholowski, and McIsaac) another year to “ripen.” So, it would be a win-win for both teams.

No need for a #2 center (Filppula and Nielsen will serve as placeholders, yes placeholder only, next season—Glendening/Helm anchoring the other line) as the team has both Veleno and Ras knocking on the door (Byfield if they end up with him is probably 3 years away). They should be NHL ready by 21-22.

I do agree that between Bert, Larkin, Mantha, Fabbri, Zadina, and trying out Svechnikov—and possibly Ras, Hirose, or in a dream world Lafreniere—the Wings do not need to sign another forward.

Posted by d ca on 05/18/20 at 02:55 PM ET

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I say we should spend cap space by moving Z’s contract—with 50% retained—to Arizona (or another max cap team and yes, I know technicality) and acquiring a draft pick

Now i’m interested, how do we move a LTIR max contract to a max cap team, but eat some and benefit them? Are we taking dead salary back?

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/18/20 at 04:34 PM ET

Hockeytown Wax's avatar

Never too many forwards ... especially when it comes to competition at training camp.

I’d sign Nosek for 3rd line purposes. That line needs a lot of help.
I’d also re-sign Gagne and put Abby at center ... the position he played way back in college when he was most productive. For all you Abby haters, Fil would do fine also.

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 05/18/20 at 04:42 PM ET

Ataris18's avatar

I’m really interested in what they do with Gagne.  He has had some bad years but if he picks it up a bit like hes been able to do in the past he could be a huge Boost to the team.  And if he does come to be something it could be a huge show that the AA trade was a wings win.

If nothing else he seems like a great guy to have in the community and the room. Id very much want to give him a shot.  Guess it all depends on moves with others

Posted by Ataris18 from House on 05/18/20 at 10:03 PM ET

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Why would the Wings sign Nosek?  Don’t they already have a glut of bottom 6 forwards?

Posted by bababooey on 05/18/20 at 11:48 PM ET

d ca's avatar

    I say we should spend cap space by moving Z’s contract—with 50% retained—to Arizona (or another max cap team and yes, I know technicality) and acquiring a draft pick

Now i’m interested, how do we move a LTIR max contract to a max cap team, but eat some and benefit them? Are we taking dead salary back?

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod’s pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/18/20 at 04:34 PM ET

They can move Z’s contract on LTIR (his salary is only 1M and his LTIR cap savings is 6.0833M.  Plenty of those contract have been traded: the most famous was probably Pronger who was working for the NHL league offices about 5 years ago at the time his contract moved.

Retained salary trades are allowed up to 50%. So trade Z’s contract, retain 500k and still give the other team 3.0415M in cap savings. The theory is Arizona is such a cheap @$$ franchise they wouldn’t want the extra savings because it would cost them another 500k in actual money. But if not, then 1M in actual salary nets 6.0833 in potential cap savings (they want to re-sign Hall so they are going to need every penny available).

I also said the Wings grab the dead weight #5 defenseman Hjalmarsson and his $5M cap hit for 1 more year—it’s a win for the Wings because they can keep their ELC slide eligible d-men in the minors (overseas, at home) for another year and slide their UFA for another year.

Offseason cap space is bumped up by a cushion (10%) so max cap teams still have a significant cushion to add players. Taking $5M and giving ‘Zona Z’s LTIR would give them enough to take on Hall.

Frank Seravalli talked about the Leafs doing virtually the same thing in a video on TSN’s site.

Posted by d ca on 05/18/20 at 11:52 PM ET

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I agree with Murray!  I find the idea of Nosek laughable!  The only ones in that list intriguing to me are Galchenyuk and Fast, guys like that, guys that might have more upside, in particular Galchenyuk because they could try him at C.  But we’re talking 1-2 year deals nothing more, provide some competition for spots, chance for improvement and if it doesn’t work out, you aren’t saddled.  But Im also ok with no signings.  But I really dislike Fil / Nielsen as our 2C plan.

As for trading as you suggest DCA.  I’ll have to go read that TSN article and re-visit the Pronger trade.  Usually those tpes of deals are offloading a contract you don’t want on your books… Im trying to remember a case where they traded one to a team to provide the other team cap relief.  If so, this is a genius idea because we don’t need it! 

Posted by DieByTheWing on 05/19/20 at 08:16 AM ET

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Posted by d ca on 05/18/20 at 11:52 PM ET

Still confused, and to be clear, I’m really interested in this, I’m not suggesting that is wrong.

I’m not seeing where pushing them a contract they don’t have today, so that they can put on LTIR helps them, but I’m also not an expert in these finite cap rules either.

Or are you saying for Arizona to open up cap space, the key taking Hjalmarsson back. The trade off is a LTIR contract that can be relieved or buried vs. a contract on the books? 

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/19/20 at 11:07 AM ET

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I think he’s saying both Murray.

1. By taking on an LTIR, because they are a max cap team (I haven’t confirmed that myself, just trusting him), they can use it to create space (I believe)... although it takes up space, and you just get it back I thought… it doesn’t create space…. but Im not sure.

2. Yes, taking back Nik, would free up space for them though not sure he’s a #5 at this point, but… maybe?  If so, then yes. In general we should be using our cap space to take these guys on for picks/prospects…  Big fan of this idea.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 05/19/20 at 11:14 AM ET

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Not sure how a goal scoring forward and Nosek be in the same sentence.

Posted by VPalmer on 05/19/20 at 03:35 PM ET

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IF??, Wings get LaFreniere ,he has a good chance of being in the NHL at some point next season. Number 1 picks have a record of jumping right into the NHL.  He is fun to watch.

Either way the Wings have some good talent in the top 6 and maybe top 9.  Enjoy the Griffins Aby.

The defense could use help and start getting some depth with their Goalies.

The forwards are going to get better as they play in the NHL, sort of exciting actually.

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 05/19/20 at 11:56 PM ET

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