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Would You Be Happy With Goaltender Yaroslav Askarov At #4?

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SYF's avatar

It would get my attention and then the next question would probably be:  How soon can he get up to NHL readiness?

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 09/24/20 at 06:26 PM ET

The Meal's avatar

I think you’d be giving up too much of a safe prospect (as much as such things are safe picks…) in this year’s draft by going with the netminder (who didn’t have a great outing on his last big stage).  Maybe Carolina or some other team is going to get a big boon when they pick him 7-13th overall, but I don’t think Detroit can give up Drysdale or Raymond and take that risk.

Posted by The Meal from Firestone, CO on 09/24/20 at 07:13 PM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

If the Wings want Askarov, I hope they can find a way to trade down four or five spots to get him. Hopefully, their #4 pick would get them a 1st and a 2nd.

But as we all know “trades are hard.”  grin

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 09/24/20 at 07:15 PM ET

Royal Grand Exalted PooBah's avatar

It depends on weather there is some goal tending prospects worth picking in the second round where they have multiple picks if I remember correctly. I there a great goal tender available next year?

Will be happy just to have some Wings news.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 09/24/20 at 07:40 PM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

It depends on weather there is some goal tending prospects worth picking in the second round…

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah

According to DraftSite.com, the next highest ranking goaltender is Jan Bednar who they list at #70. They have Askarov going to Carolina at #13.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 09/24/20 at 07:51 PM ET

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It really wouldn’t surprise me if he took a goalie at 4th overall. We do need a top tier goalie prospect, either by way of the draft, or in a trade. But… if I had to guess, I’d anticipate him taking a forward at 4th and trying to swing a deal for a goalie.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 09/24/20 at 09:15 PM ET

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The salary cap situation, upcoming expansion draft, and cap space are the perfect combination for Yzerman to get creative and maybe even end up with a mid round first.  Teams are going to get crafty and they won’t have a lot of time to be pulling triggers-  all of this is in our best interest.

Posted by SevensForTed on 09/24/20 at 09:42 PM ET

bigfrog's avatar

Tough choice, but no. confused

Posted by bigfrog on 09/24/20 at 10:07 PM ET

d ca's avatar

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Goaltenders are notorious for being very difficult to scout at that age. For every Carey Price (2005 R1#5), Tuukka Rask (2005 R1#21) and Andrei Vasilevskiy (2012 R1#19)

there are backups at the top of the draft like Al Montoya (2004 R1#6), Jonathan Bernier (2006 R1#11), Jack Campbell (2010 R1#11), Malcolm Subban (2012 R1#24), Chet Pickard (2008 R1#18),

or worse Brian Finley (R1#6), Brent Krahn (2000 R1#9), Dan Blackburn (2001 R1#10), Marek Schwarz (2005 R1#17), Mark Visentin (2010 R1#27), Riku Helenius (2006 R1#15), Leland Irving (2006 R1#26), etc., etc., or as Wings fans should remember, Tom McCollum (2008 R1#30)  type where they peak in the AHL or barely play in the NHL.

The bust rate is way too high on goalies for that high of a pick. At #19 overall it’s risky. At #4 it’s reckless.

Want Askarov? Take on a cap dump for a 1st round then package that pick with your second rounders and move up to a point where you can get him.

Posted by d ca on 09/24/20 at 11:13 PM ET

TreKronor's avatar

Not with the 4th pick. If it’s not a dman, I may burn a couch or two.

Posted by TreKronor on 09/24/20 at 11:26 PM ET

The Meal's avatar

Well stated, d_ca.

Posted by The Meal from Firestone, CO on 09/24/20 at 11:37 PM ET

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Hard pass.  Goalies are voodoo, keep taking mid-round shots until something works out

Posted by EthrDemon on 09/25/20 at 12:03 AM ET

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The bust rate is way too high on goalies for that high of a pick. At #19 overall it’s risky. At #4 it’s reckless.

Want Askarov? Take on a cap dump for a 1st round then package that pick with your second rounders and move up to a point where you can get him.

Posted by d ca on 09/24/20 at 11:13 PM ET

This is basically where I stand. I understand the need for a goalie and Askarov could be a stud backstop for the next 10 years…or he could be a bust and never be a dependable #1. With the cap space they have to work with, the glut of draft picks they hold, and the expansion draft coming up I just think there are less risky ways of shoring up the position

Posted by MZ2215 on 09/25/20 at 07:33 AM ET

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If Drysdale is gone in the top 3, then all bets are off and sure, why not?  It’s a swing for the fences, but nobody else there would be a lock either.

Posted by Primis on 09/25/20 at 11:38 AM ET

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The bust rate is way too high on goalies for that high of a pick. At #19 overall it’s risky. At #4 it’s reckless.

That is the same way I see it. Just way too much risk for a Wings team with several holes to fill.
There have only been 4 goalies taken in the top 5 in the last 20 years

Rick DiPietro
Kari Lehtonen
Marc Andre-Fluery
Carey Price

All four of those came with less question marks than Askarov. One was a near collosal bust (DiPietro). One took forever to find some consistency and wasn’t worthy of his pick (Lehtonen) and the other two (Fluery & Price) were worth the pick. If you look at choices in the top 20, the results are even worse.

I don’t see Askarov getting past Carolina at #13. I don’t think the Wings want to give up the assets necessary to get to #12. the only viable option would be to trade down from #4 and that seems pretty risk for a team desperate for a pick that produces.

A better option might be talking to Florida about the availability of Spencer Knight now that they have Bobrovsky signed long-term. Perhaps one of Detroits second round picks could pry him away. That’s a risk I’m much more comfortable taking.

 

Posted by evileye on 09/25/20 at 11:47 AM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

A better option might be talking to Florida about the availability of Spencer Knight now that they have Bobrovsky signed long-term.

Posted by evileye on 09/25/20 at 11:47 AM ET

I’ve been floating that idea since the Wings passed on Knight and took Seider at #6. But I can’t imagine the Panthers giving away Knight for just a second. It might take multiple 2nd round picks and a prospect because Knight played very, very well at Boston College last year.

On the other hand, TSN put Florida in the “Salary Cap Hell” category the other day so maybe they’ll be open to just a couple of seconds. And that, folks, is what you call wishful thinking.  LOL

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 09/25/20 at 06:51 PM ET

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If Drysdale is gone in the top 3, then all bets are off and sure, why not?  It’s a swing for the fences, but nobody else there would be a lock either.

Posted by Primis on 09/25/20 at 11:38 AM ET

No, actually it would be even worse.

If Drysdale goes to LA (the only logical choice since they are stacked with forwards and need d-men unlike Ottawa or NYR) then that means on of the Tier 2 forwards slipped into the Wings laps. They should be overjoyed and announce the pick 1 second later (either Quinton Byfield or Tim Stützle)...but that won’t happen. Even if the Wings offered a trade with LA; it’s not going to happen.

I really hope it’s Drysdale or Rossi—Raymond is the wildcard since he is playing and shown improvement (his next game is Sunday 9:00 am Detroit time)...

Posted by d ca on 09/26/20 at 06:37 AM ET

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