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Quick Recap- Detroit Red Wings/Pittsburgh Penguins

04/11/2024 at 9:49pm EDT

In the third, the Wings were down 5-3 with 6 minutes to go, scored 2 goals quickly to force overtime.

Pittsburgh gets the extra point in overtime with a 6-5 win.

Team Stats

Detroit goals are below.

bigfrog

One point is better than none. I guess.🥲

rwbillbigfrog

It is, it keeps things within a game reach. A loss tonight as you said would have pretty much put things out of reach with only six more points available.

rwbill

I will just repeat myself, because Im not very bright and I dont come up with thoughts very often, but this team does try hard to overcome its dumbass mistakes.  But you cant consistently win enough playing that way.

Blah. If they keep turning over the darn puck Toronto will eat them alive, but they have a chance of winning or coming away with a point there.

I dont know how often Sprong has played point on the PowerPlay, but that was horrendous and even if that was his first time, he should know better. As much as coach has talked about playing smart plays that was just awful.

VPalmerrwbill

He did not play the point (Seider was), but that pass probably ended his career in Detroit

Chet

they're probably out. let's be real about it.

this is what i predicted last fall. they brought in a bunch of 2nd-3rd tier vets hoping to speed things up in the rebuild at the cost of prospect development and their 2024 draft position, only to finish 18th-22nd or whatever it's going to be. 


super frustrating. yzerman and his staff definitely deserve criticism for this.

Bill_HChet

As Yogi would say: It ain't over till it's over! :-)

ChetBill_H

fair, but sneaking into WC2 is generally no way to win a Cup. what was the point of this? why did they ever think it would work? 

Paul

Steeb

Too bad the Pens don't play Chicago again.

VPalmer

Absolutely frustrating, the game was there for the taking. The good news Raymond is becoming a super star.

OlderThanCheliosVPalmer

And his agent can't wait to talk contract this summer. :-)

But you just have to love Raymond's competitiveness and enthusiasm. It's fun to watch.

RWHockey13

Steve Yzerman needs to change his management style. He signs all these FAs and then Kane to only leave him and the team out to dry. You have Kasper in the AHL and you actually bring up Czarnik and Reese. How awful is that decision. Yeah, they really helped not!

So surprised of him of all people.

Shanny_Fan

The usual suspects made the usual mistakes again that ultimately cost us the game. However, Raymond was an absolute beast! What a game from him and nice to see the wings not give up when behind.

If one of those 2 posts that beat Ned clean is a goal, or if the ref doesn't blow that tripping call, or if Lyon can make 1 more reasonable save, we probably win that.  

That result sucked, but it was great to see our young guys step up and have a game tonight.

It's not looking great, but there's still a chance...

VPalmerShanny_Fan

Yeah, Gus hits a post and we immediately allow a shorthanded goal, that was terrible. What an effort to come back after that though

TreKronor

The Islanders and the Pens deserve the final two spots in the east, let's be real. The wings had more chances than they deserved to stay in the mix and they couldn't do it. It's beyond frustrating.

These next few days will contribute to make things interesting but I'm certain this is the final week Wings fans will have something to cheer for. The Wings simply will not climb over Pitt. 

Oh, and if this team could figure out how to take some ownership of the puck in ot, we wouldn't be in this position. It's amazing how halfway through the year they started watching ot rather than playing it. 

VPalmerTreKronor

Gus and Kane should not be on the ice in OT at the same time and Lyon has to freeze the puck and allow a change to get Larkin/Ray back on the ice.

HippyDave

Raymond played a great game today but let's not get ahead of ourselves.  He's still a double-digits minus player.  He's scoring at a 70-point, 30-goal pace, and his shooting percentage is a bit inflated right now. He's clearly a guy we'll want on the team for a long time coming, but he's not exactly __yet__ a 9M winger.

TreKronorHippyDave

I am curious where his contract comes in - do they give him 7/8 years, or keep it on the shorter side and hedge their bets?  

I think we as fans are excited to potentially have a second 30 goal scorer (something we haven't had since the 2008-2009 season), but look around the league at the good teams...they have players (plural) well into the thirties/forties/fifties.  

The promising thing to me is, Raymond has put in the work to become a better player and it shows.  His strengthening alone has made him much more competitive and harder on the puck.  To me that shows a commitment (as opposed to a Mantha...).  

6 Years at $6 mil/yr is where I could see it coming in at.  If he has Copp's agent, it'll be more like 6 years at $14 mil/yr.

Bill_HTreKronor

Debrincat is getting $7.875M CAP hit and an $8.25M salary right now (4 yrs).  He's got 63 pts and I'd sure rather have Raymond (at the moment).

SteebTreKronor

I'll be shocked if anyone gets more than Larkin, in terms of dollars or... term.

evileyeSteeb

I think if anyone gets more than Larkin, it will be Seider. Not necessarily because he's "better" but because of the potential and market value. I suspect he'll come in below Larkin's value though.

Raymond is going to be tough for management and fans. It wouldn't surprise me if this one goes right up to training camp. Nor would it surprise me if they end up with a bridge deal.

Keep in mind a team isn't paying for just past performance with the next contract. It is as much about potential. 

TreKronorSteeb

There's no one on the roster (currently at least) who should make more than Larkin, and I don't see Yzerman doing that.  Seider/Raymond are certainly not at that level.  Not yet at least.

RWHockey13HippyDave

Do not think anyone stated $9M. And the other question is why is he a minus in double digits? 

Him or his teammates? Empty nets? So many factors.

Jack Hughes is a double digit minus. Others as well.

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