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No Qualifying Offer For Evgeny Svechnikov

from Ansar Khan of Mlive,

The Detroit Red Wings might be parting ways with Evgeny Svechnikov, their first-round pick from 2015 who has battled through injuries and struggled to get a foothold in the NHL.

The Red Wings will not tender a qualifying offer to Svechnikov by Monday’s 5 p.m. deadline, making him an unrestricted free agent.

They are open to signing him to a two-way contract if he doesn’t sign elsewhere when free agency begins on Wednesday, Svechnikov’s agent, Todd Diamond, said.

“We’ll see what things look like (in the market) and regroup from there,” Diamond said. “It’s been a while (for Svechnikov in the organization), he’s had a lot of injuries. He could have gotten a new opportunity last season. He played hurt. It didn’t happen.

“Maybe it’ll work out for the best and he’ll get a chance to compete with another team.”

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I’m so surprised by this still.  Really curious if he signs somewhere and shows some potential.  Dude has skills… but I guess if his hockey sense isn’t there…. I just really like the guy, its too bad. Hope he does well somewhere

Posted by DieByTheWing on 07/26/21 at 03:19 PM ET

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The combination of those injuries and COVID really hurt this kid. I hope he can live up to his potential somewhere.

Posted by evileye on 07/26/21 at 03:28 PM ET

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I’m so surprised by this still.  Really curious if he signs somewhere and shows some potential.  Dude has skills… but I guess if his hockey sense isn’t there…. I just really like the guy, its too bad. Hope he does well somewhere

Posted by DieByTheWing on 07/26/21 at 03:19 PM ET

He’ll sign…in the KHL. I think it’s a combination of serious injuries robbing his development/skills and the inability to show consistency—as a top 6 scoring forward.

another KH failure in the draft.

Posted by d ca on 07/26/21 at 03:38 PM ET

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The Wings drafted the wrong Svech.

Posted by pnwwing on 07/26/21 at 03:40 PM ET

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He’ll sign…in the KHL. I think it’s a combination of serious injuries robbing his development/skills and the inability to show consistency—as a top 6 scoring forward.

another KH failure in the draft.

So, it’s KH fault he got injured?

He’s already indicated he’d prefer to stay in the NHL. We’ll see HOW MUCH he prefers that soon enough.

Posted by evileye on 07/26/21 at 03:46 PM ET

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No surprise at all. It was clear from the moment Yzerman took over that he didn’t see a future for Svech in Detroit. Maybe he’ll catch on with another NHL club. Probably not.

Posted by godblender on 07/26/21 at 03:52 PM ET

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I wonder if Blashill said to Yzerman: “Steve, stop trying to make Svech happen.  It’s NOT going to happen.” 

Then they decided to not tender the qualifying offer.

Posted by Ajax19 on 07/26/21 at 04:01 PM ET

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So, it’s KH fault he got injured?

He’s already indicated he’d prefer to stay in the NHL. We’ll see HOW MUCH he prefers that soon enough.

Posted by evileye on 07/26/21 at 03:46 PM ET

He went unclaimed on waivers…that’s not a good indication of NHL GM’s taking another chance on him. He can prefer all he wants…

Forget the Colin White;s,  Ilya Samsonov’s, Brock Boeser;s, Travis Konecny’s, and Joel Eriksson Ek’s that went afterwards. KH should be judged by Svechnikov, Anthony Beauvillier, or Sebastian Aho as they all are LW’s in this draft.

Now add in other KH drafting failures: Dennis Cholowski (vs Jakob Chychrun), Martin Frk, Tomas Jurco (vs Nikita Kucherov), Xavier Ouellet, plus trading away picks the most egregious was Andrei Vasilevskiy’s pick for Quincey—and yes KH gets some if not most of the blame even if you applaud the Mantha, Bert, and Larkin picks. But his screw ups happened way too often: I mean Jake Paterson or Frederik Andersen or Connor Hellebuyck?

KH’s legacy is getting torched…just ask fans in Edmonton.

Posted by d ca on 07/26/21 at 04:12 PM ET

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No question that injuries really hurt the guy and not much you can do about that, just bad luck.

However, the guy played a total of 41games spread over 4 different years. As awful as this team has been the past 4+ years I can’t believe he didn’t deserve more games compared with some of the anchors In the lineup night after night (Abby, Nielsen…etc).

For #*@# sake! Jacob De la Rose & Christopher When each played 60 games in 2018/19.

Sorry, some of blame for this wasted 1st round pick goes on the shoulders of management/coaches…some who are still here and some who have moved on to bigger dumpster fires…. shut eye

Posted by Down River Dan on 07/26/21 at 04:33 PM ET

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Well well… someone here has been saying this was the most likely scenario with about a month left in the season.  For some reason, others thought he’d be the Kracken choice, odd as that sounds. 

He just was not panning out as an NHL player upstairs. He had some good skilled elements of his game, he had stick skill, size on the boards, decent vision, hard shot, you can see why he got drafted highly,  he just got lost too much in the neutral zone and in his own end, you could almost see him fighting himself in his own mind on the structural systems part of the game, and it impacted his ability to just play.

Maybe a change of scenery removes some of that and he stops overthinking the game and instead plays it, but I don’t see it.  I can see him getting a 2 way contract somewhere and sticking around the NHL/AHL for another year before he’s KHL bound.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerHolland2.0's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 07/26/21 at 04:34 PM ET

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Forget the Colin White;s,  Ilya Samsonov’s, Brock Boeser;s, Travis Konecny’s, and Joel Eriksson Ek’s that went afterwards. KH should be judged by Svechnikov, Anthony Beauvillier, or Sebastian Aho as they all are LW’s in this draft.

Now add in other KH drafting failures: Dennis Cholowski (vs Jakob Chychrun), Martin Frk, Tomas Jurco (vs Nikita Kucherov), Xavier Ouellet, plus trading away picks the most egregious was Andrei Vasilevskiy’s pick for Quincey—and yes KH gets some if not most of the blame even if you applaud the Mantha, Bert, and Larkin picks. But his screw ups happened way too often: I mean Jake Paterson or Frederik Andersen or Connor Hellebuyck?

KH’s legacy is getting torched…just ask fans in Edmonton.

Posted by d ca on 07/26/21 at 04:12 PM ET

Brutal…but all true….and deserved.

Posted by exor54 on 07/26/21 at 04:51 PM ET

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Svech waived, Cholo exposed, Mantha traded. SY is not a big fan of Holland’s first round choices.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/26/21 at 05:05 PM ET

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SY is methodical but decisive.

He doesn’t hang on to players for legacy’s or familiarity’s sake.

It’s too bad in this case, as, like many it seems, I just liked the player.
I liked his personality and perseverance; I liked his game when it was clicking.
I thought he offered at his best something a little different than what we had:
a bigger body with a pretty good shot and good offensive instincts and willingness and ability to drive the net.

One quote from Diamond is a little confusing: “he could have had another opportunity; he played hurt; it didn’t happen”.

Does that all refer to this past season: that he had one more chance in Detroit and got hurt going into the season - essentially had to play hurt to have any chance to play at all - and so never got that real chance?

Was the chance that he could have been sent elsewhere?

The injuries are really frustrating as it seems to always be something - on top of major knee injury. I can see how if I guy isn’t a great skater, then has a major knee injury that it takes a long time to come back from, then doesn’t have the time or confidence in the system (or natural sense?) to compensate, it’s not like he can make up for speed with anticipation and being a couple steps ahead.

But unless I’m missing something he could have been given more chances to just play. Some guys seem to have so little leash and then when they get hurt they and come back they hardly play and are in their own heads too much. I guess I feel like
the up and down yo-yo and very limited sporadic games did their share to ensure this guy would never get comfortable and claim a niche. Knowing when to let go - ok. But a mid-first round pick is not something to casually squander.

Posted by lefty.30 on 07/26/21 at 05:51 PM ET

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No question that injuries really hurt the guy and not much you can do about that, just bad luck.

However, the guy played a total of 41games spread over 4 different years. As awful as this team has been the past 4+ years I can’t believe he didn’t deserve more games compared with some of the anchors In the lineup night after night (Abby, Nielsen…etc).

For #*@# sake! Jacob De la Rose & Christopher When each played 60 games in 2018/19.

Sorry, some of blame for this wasted 1st round pick goes on the shoulders of management/coaches…some who are still here and some who have moved on to bigger dumpster fires…. shut eye

Posted by Down River Dan on 07/26/21 at 04:33 PM ET

This

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 07/26/21 at 05:55 PM ET

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I feel bad for him as a person but understand the situation.  He never lacked effort in training or playing; he honestly just lacked luck which happens in sports.

Posted by SevensForTed on 07/26/21 at 06:02 PM ET

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But unless I’m missing something he could have been given more chances to just play.

In all the games I saw him play, he was never the worst player on the ice. He was either average or good.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/26/21 at 06:15 PM ET

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It is especially frustrating given the time spent on veterans instead - guys
who weren’t going to be showcased for trades given their bad deals and lack of productivity and who had zero upside remaining - were essentially close to AHL players already. Too many for too long.

I did briefly wonder if including Panik in the Leddy trade might mean Svechnikov would get a chance too and not just Smith. But it seemed the writing was already on the wall.

Posted by lefty.30 on 07/26/21 at 06:18 PM ET

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I wonder if Blashill said to Yzerman: “Steve, stop trying to make Svech happen.  It’s NOT going to happen.”
I can’t believe he didn’t deserve more games compared with some of the anchors In the lineup night after night (Abby, Nielsen…etc).
But unless I’m missing something he could have been given more chances to just play
It is especially frustrating given the time spent on veterans instead

Wow, recirculating the old threads, vets over kids, didn’t get the chances, its the coaches fault.  I could at least understand that in the Ken Holland era of this team, but frankly that’s over, unless you are telling me, Yzerman is not a good GM? Is that what we’re saying here?

Either Yzerman is a good GM that knows talent or he does not? He either took a quality promising 1st round pick asset years ago and misused and wasted him with bad coaches (NHL and AHL), held him back in favor of other vets or the player himself just wasn’t good enough to come up and play at the NHL level because he wasn’t seeing the game the way an NHL player needs to see it, needs to play it, needs to understand it.  A lot of young guys have gotten time to play in the Yzerman era, up down back stick whatever, its on them. 


Can we please leave those old tired bs threads to pre April 2019, and start calling strikes strikes and balls balls?

PS I was guilty of this too with Evegeny last season, but the proof played itself out on the ice.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerHolland2.0's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 07/26/21 at 06:42 PM ET

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n all the games I saw him play, he was never the worst player on the ice. He was either average or good.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/26/21 at 06:15 PM

Yes I totally agree.

Svech’s CF% REL was 7.5% last season in 21 games for the season average 9 minutes/game. That’s pretty damn good. His CF% was just under 50, which is also not too bad.

For Comparisons let’s us Zadina the Golden Child:
CF%REL: 2.1
CF%: 46.8. 3% lower than Svech’s.

Now I understand he was shelter but so was Zadina. D zone starts are pretty damn close.


Fuzzy math or just not liking the person. I do the same for Cholowski. He had much better numbers than most D men on the time.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 07/26/21 at 07:40 PM ET

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This phones auto correct…..lol.
Go Wings!

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 07/26/21 at 08:44 PM ET

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Im sure KH will be kickin tires on him now.

Need league minimum guys to fill out their bottom six after he signs Hyman to some ridiculous contract

Posted by SauceBoss on 07/26/21 at 08:55 PM ET

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Jonathan Willis tweet,

Evgeny Svechnikov was a first-round pick in 2015, when Ken Holland and Tyler Wright were in Detroit.

He cleared waivers, so we’ll see what demand looks like, but I wonder if the Oilers take a look at him given how familiar their management group is with the player.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/26/21 at 09:06 PM ET

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I just really like the guy, its too bad. Hope he does well somewhere

Same here. He had a lot of bad luck. sick

Posted by bigfrog on 07/26/21 at 09:55 PM ET

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Jonathan Willis tweet,
Evgeny Svechnikov was a first-round pick in 2015, when Ken Holland and Tyler Wright were in Detroit.

He cleared waivers, so we’ll see what demand looks like, but I wonder if the Oilers take a look at him given how familiar their management group is with the player.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/26/21 at 09:06 PM ET

Ha!  The fans in Oil Country are gonna have conniptions and angrygiggleshits over another KH reclamation project if signing ESvechnikov fails like KH did with AA.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 07/27/21 at 06:00 PM ET

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