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The Availability Of Kevin Shattenkirk

from Frank Seravalli of TSN,

Jobs in St. Louis depend on a deep run in the Stanley Cup playoffs, but the Blues’ scoring concerns are real - particularly in the postseason - and general manager Doug Armstrong has an opportunity to deal from a position of depth. With the Blues, Shattenkirk is a No. 2 pairing defenceman behind fellow right-shot Alex Pietrangelo. Shattenkirk’s next contract is looming large. Sound familiar?

Unlike (Seth) Jones, whose stock remained consistently high, the sense is Shattenkirk - a former Olympian and one of the best puck-moving defencemen in the league - is underappreciated in St. Louis. Jay Bouwmeester’s injury has skewed the data recently, but eyebrows were raised last Thursday when Shattenkirk played just 17:37 in an overtime loss at Colorado.

Shattenkirk is producing at an All-Star level this season. He is on pace for a career-best 52 points and he’s managed nine points at even strength while his three most common partners are Joel Edmundson, Carl Gunnarsson and Petteri Lindbohm, according to hockeyviz.com. Nagging injuries - groin this year, abdominal surgery last season - have kept the buzz around his game to a relatively low level.

Shattenkirk has one more season left at a manageable $4.25 million. It’s unlikely that the budget-conscious Blues will ultimately sign Shattenkirk to a new deal with a higher AAV than Pietrangelo’s $6.5 million, which is Shattenkirk’s market value.

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Snag him

Posted by Pasha1277 on 01/11/16 at 10:00 AM ET

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Kronwall. Green
Dekeyser. Shattenkirk
Quincey. Marchenko

Now that is a solid defense.  With left/right combos to boot.

What would it take?

Tatar, Smith and a 1st.

Would you do it?

I would.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 01/11/16 at 10:13 AM ET

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Tatar, Smith and a 1st.

Would you do it?

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 01/11/16 at 10:13 AM ET

So you’d move a guy with 13 goals, tied for 2nd on the team with Abdelkader, in return for a defenseman… on a team that is already having trouble scoring goals?

Yeah, no thanks.

Posted by Primis on 01/11/16 at 10:17 AM ET

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Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 01/11/16 at 10:13 AM ET

I’m willing to bet Quincey is not here for long term, so you’d probably need to move someone other then Smith. I’d move Ericsson because his cap hit is higher, but perhaps Smith would be more marketable. I could really see them wanting DDK, but give up the first instead.

Posted by duhduhduh on 01/11/16 at 10:21 AM ET

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If Shattenkirk is available, Ken Holland should make it his mission to acquire him. It’s not the first time I’ve said it, and it won’t be the last. I know he signed Green in the off-season, but a proven top-pairing, right-handed shooting defenseman with great skating and puck-moving abilities? Yes, please. He’s only 26, so he’s right in the middle of his prime.

I still feel like a Nyquist + (Smith/Marchenko/Ericsson) + (Pick/Prospect) would be in the ballpark of getting a deal made. St. Louis needs offense, and Nyquist is a goal-scorer. Send another D-man back as well to clear our logjam a bit and replace Shattenkirk on their blueline. Add in a pick/prospect to balance the deal for someone that good. Might have to take on a salary back as well if a Wings d-man is included.

To be successful in this league, you need a great 1-2 punch down the middle, at least 1 star D-man, and a star goalie. We’re a little aged in the 1-2 punch, but between Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Larkin we have a decent depth pool. Mrazek is showing plenty of signs of being an elite goaltender. Defense, that’s where we are suffering right now. This would provide a major boon in that area.

Posted by nEgativezEro on 01/11/16 at 10:23 AM ET

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Posted by Primis on 01/11/16 at 10:17 AM ET

I’m convinced StL doesn’t move Shattenkirk without getting a goal scorer in return. If you can push E into the deal you do it in a flash because it instantly makes your D better and more potent.  You do it also because you still have Pulky and/or Double A as potential scoring depth.

Posted by duhduhduh on 01/11/16 at 10:25 AM ET

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Tatar, Smith and a 1st.

Would you do it?

I would.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 01/11/16 at 10:13 AM ET

Tatar makes me hesitant. I would probably still do it, but I would push harder on Nyquist first. Tatar and Nyquist are our two most movable assets. Larkin is a non-starter, and Pav/Z are past trading ages/never going to be moved anyway. Tatar has amazing possession numbers. I think he’s a grittier player, more willing to dig the puck out of the hard areas.

So you’d move a guy with 13 goals, tied for 2nd on the team with Abdelkader, in return for a defenseman… on a team that is already having trouble scoring goals?

Yeah, no thanks.

Posted by Primis on 01/11/16 at 10:17 AM ET

While I understand your point, you can’t underestimate what a defenseman as good as Shattenkirk could do for the offense. Though as I mentioned above, I’d try to move Nyquist before Tatar.

I’m willing to bet Quincey is not here for long term, so you’d probably need to move someone other then Smith. I’d move Ericsson because his cap hit is higher, but perhaps Smith would be more marketable. I could really see them wanting DDK, but give up the first instead.

Posted by MoreShoot on 01/11/16 at 10:21 AM ET

Oh, Quincey is almost assuredly gone after this season, with our cap concerns. Of course we’d love to saddle St Louis with that albatross, but not only is he not a wanted commodity, the cap hit would be a certain “no” from the Blues unless we took back a bad contract as well.

Smith has a reasonable contract, and plays a similar (but obviously not as good) game to Shattenkirk. Cap hit is more manageable, and Smith is near the fringes of our D depth.

Posted by nEgativezEro on 01/11/16 at 10:32 AM ET

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So you’d move a guy with 13 goals, tied for 2nd on the team with Abdelkader, in return for a defenseman… on a team that is already having trouble scoring goals?

Yeah, no thanks.

Posted by Primis on 01/11/16 at 10:17 AM ET

Normally I’d agree, but I really think our scoring problems aren’t such an unsolvable problem, and to some extent, it’s really a problem of our D spending too much time fumbling around in our own end.  All we need to do is land Shattenkirk and move out Smith (Ericsson is unmovable so we’re stuck with him until 2042, thanks Kenny!).  Then rid ourselves of our crap depth guys (Miller, Glenny, Andersson) up front for our promising youth (Pulky, AA, Mantha) and finally stop the failed experiment of forcing Helm out of his fourth line ceiling.  If you build this, the goals will come.

Posted by Wise1 on 01/11/16 at 10:36 AM ET

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Kronwall - Shattenkirk
DeKeyser - Marchenko
Quincey - Green
Ericsson LTIR for a severe case of crapitis
Ouellet as the 7th D this year with the plan to take over for Q next year.

A GUY CAN DREAM CAN’T HE!

Posted by Wise1 on 01/11/16 at 10:40 AM ET

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I’d do it for Nyquist, Smith, and a 1st in a heartbeat.

Posted by captaineclectic on 01/11/16 at 10:42 AM ET

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Don’t think Nyquist, Smith and a 1st will do it. Nike = 4.25 Smith = 2.75. that’s 7mil. They could resign Shatty for that much. Of course they get the 1st but big deal. I would Probably trade Marachenko/Ouelette, Nike and 1st and a 2nd. They will ask for Larkin, we say no. Then they will ask for Tartar, DDK and a 1st, we say fuch off!. Then Holland says, we kicked the tires….  I would not trade DDK for anyone tbh, except OEL, I think DDK will be that good in 5 years, he’s not as offensive, and never will be but he can defend like a mother fucher. He’s good, he doesn’t make mistakes. You have to trade someone who can step in a right hand role who is good, not a reliability, and STL will ask for Nike, a 1st, a 2nd and Marachenko. And that’s a deal I would probably do but hesitant. As Holland says,, it’s not easy.

Posted by Pasha1277 on 01/11/16 at 10:51 AM ET

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liability**** lmao

Posted by Pasha1277 on 01/11/16 at 10:52 AM ET

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Yeah, I’d also do it for Nyquist, Marchenko, and a 1st.

Posted by captaineclectic on 01/11/16 at 10:54 AM ET

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So you’d move a guy with 13 goals, tied for 2nd on the team with Abdelkader, in return for a defenseman… on a team that is already having trouble scoring goals?

Yeah, no thanks.

Posted by Primis on 01/11/16 at 10:17 AM ET

It would suck to lose Tatar but to acquire a legit top pairing defenseman with another year on his contract?! I would do it.  I think Tatar is talented but I feel we have players such as Mantha, that could step in and perform Tats role.

Nyquist would not be a player the Blues would ask for.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 01/11/16 at 11:04 AM ET

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Tats has 13 goals, mid way. I expect him to be a 25 - 30 goal scorer probably for the next several years. We’re giving up offense for a better Def that overtime generate offense for our team, I’m not sure you can look at it by simple goals for and goals against.

Nike is in a similar realm with probably 25 goals a year, probably not 30. So I don’t really see that big of a difference. We could wait until he’s a UFA and sign him.. (or he’ll be traded before that)

Posted by Pasha1277 on 01/11/16 at 11:18 AM ET

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So you’d move a guy with 13 goals, tied for 2nd on the team with Abdelkader, in return for a defenseman… on a team that is already having trouble scoring goals?

Yeah, no thanks.

Posted by Primis on 01/11/16 at 10:17 AM ET

Since the majority of the scoring issues are because of the peewee level defense, yes.

But its all academic, because no way we have enough high end assets for Shattenkirk, and even if we did, no way Holland has the ability to get this done without giving away the farm.

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 01/11/16 at 11:21 AM ET

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It should also be noted that Shattenkirk has 8 goals himself so far this season. He’s been a lock for 40+ points every year. Last year he was on pace for mid-60s over a full season. He’s on pace for upper 50s this season. Shattenkirk is on pace to produce more points than Tatar this season. Obviously some of that comes from playing on a Blues time that generally is pretty good offensively (despite recent struggles).

Posted by nEgativezEro on 01/11/16 at 11:27 AM ET

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You need to move defense prospects for Shattenkirk, probably Marchy and XO,  I wouldn’t trust Kenny with this deal especially looking at his current dilemma.  Acquiring Shattenkirk would mean a bona fide Stanley Cup opportunity.  Can we get by Washington?  Florida?

Posted by jhpcarrier97 on 01/11/16 at 11:32 AM ET

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But its all academic, because no way we have enough high end assets for Shattenkirk, and even if we did, no way Holland has the ability to get this done without giving away the farm.

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 01/11/16 at 11:21 AM ET

The thing is, we do have the assets to make it happen. Unless St. Louis unreasonably wanted Larkin and would accept no less, who on the team wouldn’t be worth moving for a position we’re clearly lacking?

Tatar/Nyquist are the obvious choices. Not many teams are going to offer players better. The Jones/Johansen trade was a unique case where both teams had the high end talent for an even 1-to-1 swap.

Even if the Blues wanted something high like Tatar / Mantha / 1st, I’d still consider it. When you’re getting a top-pairing defenseman with a 4.25 cap hit for another season beyond this one? That fits in very well with our situation. He’s due to be UFA right when a few of our larger contracts drop off the books.

Now of course, once again we ask ourselves will Ken Holland be willing to spend those assets for what we all perceive to be a no-brainer upgrade, and the answer to that is murky at best. That’s also to be determined how much the Blues are actually looking to shop him.

Posted by nEgativezEro on 01/11/16 at 11:34 AM ET

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I want to improve the defense as much as anyone, but….

DET’s scoring problems are because they have only 4 forwards actually willing to shoot in good circumstances.  Take one of those 4 out, and you go from games of 2-1, and 1-0 games, to 0-1 and 0-2 games.  You have Zetterberg shooting at the net from behind the freaking goal line, like last night.  It’s competely abysmal, the effort some forwards already are putting in to actually trying to score.

You trade a forward for a d-man from a position for forward strength.  DET has no forward strength at the moment, despite all the prospects an youth and supposed promise.  That negative goal differential at this point has less to do with the defense, and more to do with a lack of scoring depth up front.

If Holland moves either or Tatar or Nyquist at this point, you may as well write the whole thing off and prepare to be a long-time lottery team and full rebuild.  You just can’t take one of the top goalscorers off a team that already has a negative goal differential because they can’t score goals.  DET’s Goals Against are *not* unreasonable given their position and GP.  Their Goals For absolutely *are* unreasonable.  They were very fortunate to be facing an ANA team last night that can;t score goals themselves, and have by far the worst Goals For in the league

When you’re narrowly inning games 1-0 and 2-1, I really don’t grasp how you can decide that the answer is to trade scoring for defense.

Posted by Primis on 01/11/16 at 12:19 PM ET

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When you’re narrowly inning games 1-0 and 2-1, I really don’t grasp how you can decide that the answer is to trade scoring for defense.

It’s because you’re not simply trading scoring for defense.  You’re trading scoring for a defenseman who is on pace to score more points than everyone on Detroit except Larkin and Zetterberg.

Would you really not give up a 45-50 point one-dimensional small forward for an all-around right-shot defenseman who will rack up more points than the forward you traded for him?

I don’t understand that at all.

Posted by Garth on 01/11/16 at 12:26 PM ET

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There is little question Shattenkirk would improve the Wings but is it by enough to warrant giving up those assets. Shattenkirk would probably become the Wings best defenseman but he is really not a #1 pair guy either. However, he is capable of playing first line minutes, unlike every Wing with the exception of DDK.

I’d rather give up Nyquist than Tatar. I think Nyquist is easier to replace from within but the WIngs. I think the Wings are going to have to move an NHL defenseman to make that happen. That would probably have to be Quincey or Smith. I’m not sure the Blues would want either. As for prospects, anything would probably be reasonable. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind getting Mantha or that number 1.

We’ll see how this plays out. Quality defenseman are in short supply so it is definitely worth looking at. A GM needs to be bold at times. The target should be matching up to Washington who clearly look like the team to beat in the East.

Posted by evileye on 01/11/16 at 12:54 PM ET

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If Holland moves either or Tatar or Nyquist at this point, you may as well write the whole thing off and prepare to be a long-time lottery team and full rebuild.
Posted by Primis on 01/11/16 at 12:19 PM ET

You can not be serious with that statement.  Do you seriously believe if Nike or Tats are moved this will send the Wings into a downward spiral that will make them a LONG time lottery team and require a FULL REBUILD??? 

When I watch these games I see 2 forwards (Tatar and Nyquist) who are skilled players that have GOOD, NOT GREAT offensive ability.  I do not see 2 forwards being the driving force for your team to win games.  I feel you are highly overrating both players.  Both players can be replaced, especially if that means you are receiving a defenseman that drives offense from the back end.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 01/11/16 at 01:02 PM ET

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You can not be serious with that statement.  Do you seriously believe if Nike or Tats are moved this will send the Wings into a downward spiral that will make them a LONG time lottery team and require a FULL REBUILD???

When I watch these games I see 2 forwards (Tatar and Nyquist) who are skilled players that have GOOD, NOT GREAT offensive ability.  I do not see 2 forwards being the driving force for your team to win games.  I feel you are highly overrating both players.  Both players can be replaced, especially if that means you are receiving a defenseman that drives offense from the back end.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 01/11/16 at 01:02 PM ET

Before Larkin, before we saw a little bit of AA, maybe I would agree. But we have Larkin. AA is close if not ready now. Jurco could thrive if given consistent quality minutes.

We HAVE guys who can score. They aren’t doing it, but we have them. Shattenkirk would help out tremendously with our transition game, which would benefit out offense. We know Datsyuk has more in him. We saw Zetterberg tear it up to start the year. Yes age is a major factor for both of those guys, but at the same time

I would prefer to keep Tatar because he’s better at generating shots, and generally has better puck possession metrics. From the eye-test, he also looks more involved with the play. Tatar also comes in at a lower cap hit now, and still will be RFA at the end of this contract. Nyquist is locked up for a few years, at a reasonable number.

Posted by nEgativezEro on 01/11/16 at 01:26 PM ET

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