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Stand Up To Betttman, Canada

from Jack Todd at Canada.com, 

It’s up to us to prove him wrong. Because there is no reason for this lockout, none whatsoever. Bettman is throwing a lockout because he can, it’s that simple. It’s happening because of the bully-boy tactics of Bettman himself, backed by a coterie of ideology-driven right-wing U.S. billionaires who are in this not because they love the game, but because they love money and attention.

This lockout is wholly unnecessary. It’s also maddening, frustrating, disgusting, absurd and infuriating. What is hardest to swallow, up here where the game really matters, is that Canadians have so little say in what’s going on.

Even as we celebrate (if that’s the word) the great victory over the Soviets in the Summit Series of ’72, you have to wonder if we weren’t facing off with the wrong enemy. The NHL and the game (and in the minds of many Canadians, they’re one and the same) have been damaged far more by the U.S. than by the Soviets or the Russians.

The harm is coming, not from U.S. players or fans, but from the U.S. owners and their pit-bull proxy, Bettman, a little man with a huge ego who would rather destroy the league than lose.

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Primis's avatar

It’s happening because of the bully-boy tactics of Bettman himself, backed by a coterie of ideology-driven right-wing U.S. billionaires

That’s funny, I don’t recall any of the Canadian owners (including the beloved True North group) voting against Lockout.  30 of 30 voted “YEA”.  That includes the Canadian contingent.

But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of anything.

Posted by Primis on 09/16/12 at 06:44 PM ET

Evilpens's avatar

Says the American Hating, America Hating slimeball

Posted by Evilpens on 09/16/12 at 07:10 PM ET

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funny thing is if Fehr got his way The Only teams left in Canada would be Montreal & Vancouver & then the American hating deserter would Bitch again about American’s stealing “His Countries” teams

Posted by Evilpens on 09/16/12 at 07:16 PM ET

Chet's avatar

this is just jingoistic claptrap.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 09/16/12 at 08:34 PM ET

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@Evilpens - Not sure about this Canada - US thing… sounds a little too simplistic.

However, Canadian teams are doing fine. Half of the operation cost of a team comes from ticket sales and over 30% of the ticket revenue came from the Canadian teams (I believe that is before the Jets)... I can’t find the revenue/operating cost chart atm, but if I remember correctly, no Canadian team is in the minus…

Posted by alukacs on 09/16/12 at 09:44 PM ET

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The mask finally comes off, this trend has been evolving for some time.  Funny how those dumb/evil American owners pay millions of dollars to Canadian kids. Ironically very few of the best and brightest from the Great White North actually want to play for teams located in Canada. This is true when offered the same or more money to move. It has gotten so bad that the Edmonton Oilers have to over pay young talent for long term deals to get them to stay. It will be interesting to see how this hostile approach coming from some in Canada plays out. Even though Jack Todd is a complete moron, his employer lets him publish this message. It has to reflect their views to some degree to allow calling the US a bigger enemy than the Soviet Union.

Posted by timbits on 09/16/12 at 10:07 PM ET

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alukacs Fehr HATES salary caps, He will eventually want to do away with them & most Canadian teams will not have the money to compete with the Rags, Flyers whoever else

Posted by Evilpens on 09/17/12 at 06:43 AM ET

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backed by a coterie of ideology-driven right-wing U.S. billionaires who are in this not because they love the game, but because they love money and attention.

Yes, because this guy has inside info, and knows the political leanings of all American NHL owners.

Stand up to idiotic Canadian writers, Canada.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 09/17/12 at 07:36 AM ET

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Jack Todd is a deserter, that plain and simple that hates America because of his own shortcomings. If he is so dead set against capitalism, then every NHL player should be signed to identical contracts at a “living wage”. I doubt he represents anything more than a small fringe communist block that exists in Canada.  When the American dollar was killing the Canadian dollar and teams like Edmonton were being subsidized I didn’t hear too many people talking contraction. Nice that he talks about Canada where the game really matters as if he were born and raised in Canadian culture, when all he is, is a carpetbagger.

Fehr = 1 strike, 1 cancelled World Series
Bettman = 3 lockouts, 1 cancelled Stanley Cup and counting

We can keep going back to 1994 or we can go back to 94, 04 and now 2008. Attack Fehr all you want, but come up with something new to say.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 09/17/12 at 07:57 AM ET

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.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  we agree again Ron Burkle owner of the Pens is a HUGE Democrat Donor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Burkle 

Posted by Evilpens on 09/17/12 at 08:56 AM ET

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.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) UMMM the reason there have not been more Lockouts & WS lost in baseball is the Big Market owners run the the league & don’t give a rats ass about small market team’s plight

Posted by Evilpens on 09/17/12 at 09:09 AM ET

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Big Market owners run the the league & don’t give a rats ass about small market team’s plight

And those poor small-market teams are just clamoring to change the system.  You can tell by all the crying you hear from those owners and from how often small-market baseball teams are sold by an owner who just can’t take it anymore.

Right?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/17/12 at 09:36 AM ET

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Nope they get Hush money in the way of Luxury tax ? dumbass Skankees have a 200 Mi9llion $ payrolls the Succos have a 48 million $ payroll

Posted by Evilpens on 09/17/12 at 09:49 AM ET

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Yeah, so what’s the plight about which you’re talking?  If the Pirates ownership hated the MLB’s deal so much, why haven’t they sold the team off?

It’s not a plight. The Pirates are paid not to compete and they happily accept that. You don’t like it as somebody who apparently wants the Pirates to be able to compete, but the team doesn’t belong to you and it’s not your monetary well-being to decide under which model the Pirates should operate.

The NHL tried to fix this so-called “plight” by forcing the small-market owners to spend up to a salary floor they couldn’t sustain as the revenue chasm widened.  Now we’re in a lockout thanks in part to that decision.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/17/12 at 10:18 AM ET

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Because WITH the Hush Money Nuttig is Making money But still for another season won’t finish above .500

Posted by Evilpens on 09/17/12 at 10:43 AM ET

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Good Liberal Ploy by the way evade the real meaning of the post

Posted by Evilpens on 09/17/12 at 10:44 AM ET

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It will be interesting to see how this hostile approach coming from some in Canada plays out.

Yeah, very interesting to see what happens when a guy whose opinion nobody gives a shit about says something stupid.

I’m guessing it will play out with nobody caring and nothing happening.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 09/17/12 at 08:36 AM ET

Stand up to it?  Can I just ignore it instead?

Posted by Garth on 09/17/12 at 10:44 AM ET

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evade the real meaning of the post

Did you even read JJ’s reply?

Posted by Garth on 09/17/12 at 10:47 AM ET

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Because WITH the Hush Money Nuttig is Making money But still for another season won’t finish above .500

Posted by Evilpens on 09/17/12 at 11:43 AM ET

Still not seeing a plight for Nuttig.

He spends within his means and makes a profit doing it. He receives what the rich are willing to pay in order to make sure that his team stays alive and isn’t asking for special treatment by the governing body to artificially manipulate market conditions to his favor.

All that needs is an open hatred towards Muslims and the entire system fits neatly within your belief system. I can’t believe you have a problem with this.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/17/12 at 10:55 AM ET

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Then STFU about NHL owners Locking out the Players to get what they want Economically so they can make MORE money than they have been


He got a Stadium paid for by Taxpayers money & then takes their money for by season tickets or single game tickets, Now by now the Wondertards ought to understand he doesn’t care if he wins because with the hush money he is making a profit & laughing all the way to the bank while the Wondertards bemoan another losing season/

Nope I am Libertarian ! Don’t Hate anyone, another good Lib ploy ! I do believe when you show for centuries that you are stuck in the 14 Century you deserved to be turned into dust & green glass

Posted by Evilpens on 09/17/12 at 11:01 AM ET

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I would think that those inclined towards a more socialist agenda would be thoae against the corporate Yankees who generate profit and use that profit to compete as best as they can.  Is someone saying all teams should be on an even playing field and equally share all revenue whether they work for it or not? Seems like some organizations are just lazy and waiting for a hand-out from big brother.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 09/17/12 at 11:01 AM ET

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Sports League depend on one another, it is Not a real corporate world, How long do you think Skankee fans would pay to see the same 7 teams in NY?

Sorry NY gets a Shitload more revenue from TV, Radio & sponsorship rights than The Succos or Royals or Oakland

Posted by Evilpens on 09/17/12 at 11:07 AM ET

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Then STFU about NHL owners Locking out the Players to get what they want Economically so they can make MORE money than they have been

My complaint remains that I want to see hockey. I understand why the owners are locking out, but I feel that they have the basis for a workable system.  I’d just rather they not engage in petty brinksmanship to get it.

Now by now the Wondertards ought to understand he doesn’t care if he wins because with the hush money he is making a profit & laughing all the way to the bank while the Wondertards bemoan another losing season/

I don’t know who you’re calling a Wondertard, but you’ve completely failed to explain the strife here.  Seems like the strife is that the Pirates moved away from the way you wanted them to be and now you’re the bitter one sitting with his pennants and memories of Sid Bream crushing his dreams.

Nope I am Libertarian ! Don’t Hate anyone, another good Lib ploy ! I do believe when you show for centuries that you are stuck in the 14 Century you deserved to be turned into dust & green glass

Translation: I Don’t hate anyone, but I’m all for the genocide of Muslims!

I never called you a conservative by the way.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/17/12 at 11:26 AM ET

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Nope ! couldn’t care less about the Succos !

& I think people who treat women like SHIT & cut off people’s Heads with swords & & sdtone people to death for having a different view ought to be Liquidated

I know that BUT I did Call you a Lib & I am right

Posted by Evilpens on 09/17/12 at 11:30 AM ET

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So 1 billion people, give or take, out to be wiped out due to the actions of a few hundred at most (using the CIA’s estimates of the total number of Islamic radicals in the world)?

Is it that they stone people that disagree with them that makes you disagree with them to the point where you want to kill them all?

Further facepalming - you self label as a libertarian and use the term “lib” as an insult, when “lib” in “liberal” is of the exact same root word and tradition as your own identity.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 09/17/12 at 11:37 AM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

I know that BUT I did Call you a Lib & I am right

Well, you’re not; but that’s more a failure of an attempt to marginalize through restrictive definitions than anything.

If your level of caring about the Pirates is so low, then why did you say they had a “plight” when talking about their financial situation as it relates to the economics of baseball?

I mean, if the entire thing is about the scoresheet about who’s created more labor strife between Bettman & Fehr, it’s pretty clear that Bettman is the winner there. Fehr has a history of having done so, but it’s hard to deny that his work didn’t make baseball the most-stable of the major leagues in terms of labor relations.

But I’m more looking forward to more explanation about how you can claim not to hate anybody while calling for a genocide of people whose beliefs you don’t share.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/17/12 at 11:47 AM ET

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My position has been clear, this is a problem of the owners making and it needs them to resolve it. I was against the cap in the first place because the owners want a free market system, where they can charge what the market bears and reap the benefits of increased team value but, pay small market labor prices. If you want a free market then it should be free for the players as well, each getting what the market can bare. Some teams remained competitive longer because they had the resources, but those resources were built by better organizations. Money did not guarantee winning.

If the owners want to act as a collective by creating artificial caps in all markets then they need to ensure that they have adequate revenue sharing for this false communal market they have created. I have no problem with the owners attempting to reduce costs as long as they honor the contracts they negotiated in good faith. I can also blame the owners for the lockout because I think they can fix the problem without the players having to pay for it. Players make a lot of more money than I do, but I don’t care because they are being paid what the owners believed they are worth.

This has nothing to do with politics, but how a charity case like the Pirates can’t win.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 09/17/12 at 11:55 AM ET

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.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) so it’s cool that Muslims treat women like shit, behead innocent people & stone people to death & want to KILL the Infidel ?? which is you & I ?

& the Royals & Astros & A’s & the Padres ETC !

Posted by Evilpens on 09/17/12 at 12:38 PM ET

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so it’s cool that Muslims treat women like shit, behead innocent people & stone people to death & want to KILL the Infidel ?? which is you & I ?

You have never met a Muslim in real life, have you?

I’ve seen you hurl misogynistic epithets at people with whom you disagree, call people mentally challenged, tell people to jump off bridges, and now I’ve seen you propagate an idea to eradicate an entire religion from existence for not believing what you believe.

What are you, trying to eliminate competition?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/17/12 at 01:09 PM ET

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I’ve come to realize that the ignore option is a great feature.

Some people I can disagree with and still have a rational discourse. I would hope they can be convinced because they may be logical and they may sway me as well. Others? I’ve given up trying.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 09/17/12 at 01:19 PM ET

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Please, Please!  no more rantings from Philip Nolan.

Posted by 13 user names on 09/17/12 at 07:29 PM ET

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