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Ron Wilson Talks Toronto Maple Leafs

from Pierre LeBrun of ESPN,

Well if there’s anyone in the world who knows what Randy Carlyle is going through right now in Toronto, it’s Ron Wilson.

Just two years ago in early March 2012, after a late-season skid that dropped Toronto out of a playoff spot, Wilson was fired as Maple Leafs coach and replaced by Carlyle.

So yeah, with the Leafs currently mired in an eight-game losing streak that has dropped them out of a playoff spot and completely freaked out the league’s biggest hockey market, Wilson knows what his replacement is living.

“In Toronto, everything is always out of perspective; they’re either winning games and they’re planning the parade route,” began Wilson on Monday from his home near Hilton Head, S.C., “or you lose a couple of games and everything gets over-exaggerated.”

What Carlyle is going through now, Wilson has felt it. 

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“What Carlyle is going through now, Wilson has felt it.”

Yeah, because both are idiots who love to throw James Reimer under the bus and while giving a pass to their terrible defense.

Posted by Garth on 03/31/14 at 01:12 PM ET

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Posted by Garth on 03/31/14 at 01:12 PM ET

A defense led by possibly the most overrated player of his generation in Dion Phaneuf. For whatever reason, that guy gets attention and has a reputation of being this elite guy. He’s all hype. Gets paid like an elite player, though. More talent on that blue line than the Red Wings and the results are far worse in Toronto. Kronwall’s done a hell of a lot more with less.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 03/31/14 at 02:51 PM ET

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Justin Bourne wrote a decent piece about Phaneuf. Take it for what you will, I’m inclined to agree – http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2014/03/17/answering-the-question-what-is-dion-phaneuf-great-awful-something-else/

Posted by SK77 on 03/31/14 at 03:01 PM ET

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A defense led by possibly the most overrated player of his generation in Dion Phaneuf. For whatever reason, that guy gets attention and has a reputation of being this elite guy. He’s all hype. Gets paid like an elite player, though. More talent on that blue line than the Red Wings and the results are far worse in Toronto. Kronwall’s done a hell of a lot more with less.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 03/31/14 at 02:51 PM ET

I’m no Phaneuf fan, but IIRC fancystats do show that few in the league have the ratio of starts in his own defensive zone as he does, and the Quality of Competition (who the other team has on the ice against him) is rather high as well.  So while I think he’s overrated, I think playing on the Leafs (horrible in their own end, terrible possession team) exaggerates it.

Posted by Primis on 03/31/14 at 03:14 PM ET

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So while I think he’s overrated, I think playing on the Leafs (horrible in their own end, terrible possession team) exaggerates it.

But being that he’s the #1 guy on the Leafs, his play contributes a lot to what is horrible about them.

Posted by Garth on 03/31/14 at 03:31 PM ET

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Posted by SK77 on 03/31/14 at 03:01 PM ET

Bourne’s right.  Phaneuf is a top-pairing defenseman.

But he’s not a #1 defenseman even though that’s the role he plays in Toronto (and that’s definitely how he’s being paid).

That’s a big part of the problem.

Posted by Garth on 03/31/14 at 04:04 PM ET

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But being that he’s the #1 guy on the Leafs, his play contributes a lot to what is horrible about them.

Posted by Garth on 03/31/14 at 03:31 PM ET

Since he’s one of the positive +/- players on that team (at +5), that argument doesn’t look very good.

Posted by Primis on 03/31/14 at 04:28 PM ET

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Since he’s one of the positive +/- players on that team (at +5), that argument doesn’t look very good.

Watching him play supports the argument pretty well.

Posted by Garth on 03/31/14 at 04:34 PM ET

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Watching him play supports the argument pretty well.

Posted by Garth on 03/31/14 at 04:34 PM ET

Ahh, the old argument of someone with nothing else to support their position.

Phaneuf is not great, but he’s not as bad as he’s made out to be either.  He plays pretty tough minutes (almost 24:00 a game) for a bad possession team, against the opponent’s best guys.  He and Gunnarson are the top two +/- guys on the team where most are in the minus (JVR is -6, Kadri is -11, Clarkson is -12, Lupul -14, etc).

There are a good 8-10 guys on that team that you can point to as a lot more culpable for their problems than Phaneuf though.  He, like Kronwall, shouldn’t be a #1, but is still a legit first pairing guy all things considered, and like Kronwall he can’t play 60:00 a game, which is the bigger problem.

Posted by Primis on 03/31/14 at 04:52 PM ET

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Say what you will, but I’d certainly take a Phaneuf/Kronwall pairing as my top tandem.

Tyler Dellow wrote a good piece on it as well.

Since Randy Carlyle took over, the Leafs have generated 55.2 percent of the 5v5 shot attempts when trailing with Phaneuf on the ice, 40.4 percent when tied and 36.6 percent when leading. It seems exceedingly unlikely to me that a player would enter a period of decline that only shows up when his team is tied or ahead. If the decline in Phaneuf’s Corsi% is due to a tactical choice, then the Maple Leafs need to take into account that Phaneuf may not have the statistical profile of a number one defenceman due to the choices that they have made. It doesn’t mean that he’s not an elite defenceman, just that the way they’ve chosen to play produces different results.

 

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/31/14 at 05:21 PM ET

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Ahh, the old argument of someone with nothing else to support their position.

Really?  Said the guy who used the stat which is pretty much universally known to be almost completely useless?

Watch.  Him.  Play.  I’m not saying he’s a bad defenseman.  In fact, I specifically said that he’s a top pairing defenseman, simply not a #1 defenseman.

In fact, I don’t even know what the hell you’re argueing about since I specifically said “Phaneuf is a top-pairing defenseman.  But he’s not a #1 defenseman” before you said, somehow arguing against me that “He, like Kronwall, shouldn’t be a #1, but is still a legit first pairing guy”

Taking JJ’s point, it could be because of the way the Leafs play because God knows that neither Wilson nor Carlyle seem to understand the teams they were given or how to utilize them properly.

All I ever said was that he’s not a #1 defenseman, but the fact that he is in that role for the Leafs means he has to take some responsibility for their defense being crap.

Posted by Garth on 04/01/14 at 11:02 AM ET

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