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Report- Owners/Players Will Meet On Tuesday

The BOG meeting is on Wednesday in NYC, so the timing of the meeting makes sense.

 

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Numerous reports are Bettman and D. Fehr will not attend, Bill Daly will and the PA is selecting the players right now.

Just a guess, but I would imagine Steve Fehr would be there too.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 12/02/12 at 06:16 PM ET

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I don’t see much getting done with Jacobs and Edwards around.  Of course it could be interesting to have guys like Chipman and Tanenbaum around, who would both make a lot more money playing.  I don’t know what Buerkle and Vinik’s reputations are.  And if Bill Daly is around, the players would be idiots not to bring Steve Fehr with them.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 12/02/12 at 06:20 PM ET

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Burkle (PIT)-interesting choice. Probably has more collective bargaining experience than the rest of the governors combined. Open secret that Penguins ownership didn’t want a lockout to begin with and want it done with yesterday. Historically, not a fan of unions. Realistically, this is NHL equivalent of Paul Kelly. His resume suggests he’s the guy that should have been running the show from the beginning.

Chipman (WIN)-would probably just sign whatever so his shiny new team can continue its forward momentum.

Edwards (CAL)-Hawk. Nuff said.

Jacobs (BOS)-the one guy who needed to not be invited. Probably Bettman’s puppetmaster. His presence could, theoretically, wreck anything that could otherwise be accomplished.

Tanenbaum (TOR)-loses the most from games not being played. Probably the biggest dove among governors other than Chipman and Dolan.

Vinik (TB)-no idea where this guy would be at. He’s one of the guys who probably can’t make the cap floor without losing money right now. Has one horrendous legacy contract on his books. But his market is also one of the most-susceptible to outright failure due to lockout damage.

Posted by larry on 12/02/12 at 06:41 PM ET

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Either the players sign around 90+% of the owners last offer or there isn’t going to be any hockey this year.  If hearing that from different people is what it takes, I suppose there’s not too much to lose.

In any case, the NHLPA has acted very, very stupidly in this negotiation and they’ve cost themselves hundreds of millions of dollars they will never recoup.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/02/12 at 07:36 PM ET

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Having Jacobs there is the same as having Bettman there.  Nothing good will come of this.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 12/02/12 at 07:43 PM ET

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So Illitch remains silent huh? i really hoped once the world series was over he would quickly start to miss his Wings and would actively try to end this. perhaps he’s just too old for this kind of confrontation these days? too bad. he’s definitely losing as much as anyone. one of the reasons Illitch is seen as one of the best owners in sports is precisely because his teams aren’t simply business investments. He and his family are invested personally and besides losing a lot of money, I’m sure the Illitch family wants to be sitting in their box watching games as much or more than any of us.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 12/02/12 at 08:26 PM ET

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disappointed edwards and jacobs are part of this group, seems like it will get things off to a bad start.  If NHL had to have 2 from current negoiating meeting I would have taken any except Jacobs and Leipold.

Winnipeg surely wants to keep their momentum going and Burkle I’m sure wants the season going. 

I would think Tanenbaum would be dying for the season to start with how much money Leafs are losing.  Although maybe Burke performed some kind of mind trick to convince him to keep his job longer.

Vinik is an interesting one.  Southern market team.  Not sure what his stance on it would be?  Tampa seems to be one of the better southern markets but not sure that’s saying much. 

Please guys just get this situated and having teh season start Dec. 15.  Please work at becoming less of a joke than you already are. 

And please owners realize that Bettman is incapable of negotiating any type of agreement and make sure he isn’t commishiner next time around.  For everyone’s sake.  Let him pretend to leave on his own terms.  But please get him GONE!!

Posted by tbassett on 12/02/12 at 09:21 PM ET

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Burkle will be NO picnic for the Players, He is as Hardass a negotiator as anyone out there. Ask former Governor Rendell

Posted by Evilpens on 12/02/12 at 10:09 PM ET

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Burkle will be NO picnic for the Players, He is as Hardass a negotiator as anyone out there. Ask former Governor Rendell

Posted by Evilpens on 12/02/12 at 09:09 PM ET

He’s no pushover, sure. He’s not a fan of unions, as I’ve already noted, but he also doesn’t have a reputation for being stingy with employee compensation.

Still, if I’m a player, I’d rather deal with Burkle than just about anybody I’ve dealt with to date, if only because his interests align more closely with what I want than those of, say, Leonsis.

Posted by larry on 12/02/12 at 11:49 PM ET

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Illitch is seen as one of the best owners in sports is precisely because his teams aren’t simply business investments. He and his family are invested personally and besides losing a lot of money, I’m sure the Illitch family wants to be sitting in their box watching games as much or more than any of us.

Sadly, I don’t think this is the case with all of the Ilitches and, most importantly, with Chris Ilitch who is the heir apparent to running the team.

I am very seriously concerned about a reverse-Wirtz happening with the Ilitch family.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/03/12 at 12:36 AM ET

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I am very seriously concerned about a reverse-Wirtz happening with the Ilitch family.

You just terrified me…

As for the season being salvaged, my expectations were already at an all-time low and this meeting doesn’t help one bit.

Posted by Bosephus from Behind enemy lines, Denver, CO on 12/03/12 at 12:50 AM ET

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    Illitch is seen as one of the best owners in sports is precisely because his teams aren’t simply business investments. He and his family are invested personally and besides losing a lot of money, I’m sure the Illitch family wants to be sitting in their box watching games as much or more than any of us.

Sadly, I don’t think this is the case with all of the Ilitches and, most importantly, with Chris Ilitch who is the heir apparent to running the team.

I am very seriously concerned about a reverse-Wirtz happening with the Ilitch family.

J.J.,
What makes you think that?  I’m certainly not saying your wrong, but I’m just wondering where you have gotten that impression from?

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 12/03/12 at 12:55 AM ET

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Seeing Mike Ilitch after the Tigers won the ALCS, he just didn’t look like he was completely there anymore. George Malik and others have said that Chris is the heir apparent and even more scuttlebutt has indicated that Chris isn’t as much of a “win at all costs” kind of guy as his father is.

Jim Devellano’s comments and status as the Wings’ governor aren’t horribly comforting either; nor is the complete silence out of the Wings’ organization about a lockout that we all as fans would expect the Wings to be railing against. At the very least, I’d be more hopeful that the Wings would be one of the teams that had people leaking hints to the press that the people in charge were starting to at least want to stir shit with the BoG.

I mean, Mike Ilitch broke with the league in 94 to help end that lockout and has gone on record to say that he hates the salary cap implemented in 2005. Either Mike Ilitch has come around on the topic (and honestly, it’s completely possible, considering how insanely good the 2005 CBA seemed to make things for the Red Wings) or Mike Ilitch isn’t really running the Wings anymore and the person who is doing so (Marian Ilitch, Chris, whomever else it may be) doesn’t share the same “Let’s get to playing hockey” outlook.

Again, the 2005 lockout was extremely good to the Wings and the either/or case above is fairly oversimplified. It’s all speculation on my part and I’m fully aware that the possibility is every bit as strong that there are enough owners in the NHL right now to bully Ilitch into acquiescence. It’s just the continued silence out of Detroit worries me.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/03/12 at 01:20 AM ET

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In any case, the NHLPA has acted very, very stupidly in this negotiation and they’ve cost themselves hundreds of millions of dollars they will never recoup.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/02/12 at 06:36 PM ET

Just like the kid who refused to give his lunch money to the bully.  Ultimately short-sighted, right HD?

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 12/03/12 at 05:22 PM ET

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he just didn’t look like he was completely there anymore

Was it the hair?

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 12/03/12 at 05:58 PM ET

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Just like the kid who refused to give his lunch money to the bully.  Ultimately short-sighted, right HD?

Great example.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/03/12 at 06:47 PM ET

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It’s just the continued silence out of Detroit worries me.

It’s going to be interesting to see who sticks and who slips among the fans when and if Detroit gets off their “25 years of entertaining hockey” train.

The other thing that should worry us is that Detroit didn’t spend up to the cap last year, and isn’t particularly close to the original cap this year either.

Now, there are plausible strategic reasons why they didn’t in either season.  Last year there wasn’t a good trade to be made and this year they got outbid and/or are waiting to see what the actual cap is going to be.

Still, it’s something to keep an eye on.  If the Wings start trying to shave an extra 5+ mil in profits off hockey ops by spending to the midpoint while they still have the vestiges of the ‘usual’ Wings teams hanging around, that will be a pretty major sign that the identity of the front office has changed.

Also, if Holland retires.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/03/12 at 06:54 PM ET

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Holland just signed a 5 year extension within the last year or so, I don’t think so, he didn’t sound like he was even thinking about it.

In all fairness, the team went after the two biggest UFA’s this past off-season and pay each player the max of what they thought they were worth in a cap-market. 

At the same time, I don’t see the front office showing the same competative edge they want their players to have.  Feels a little like they’ve been resting on laurels while saying “well, you can’t win it every year” down to “you can only make one big signing a decade” so either way may be plausable.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 12/03/12 at 07:58 PM ET

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