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We were fortunate to sign both Zach and Ryan. Looking back now, in hindsight with a year removed, I can't even say how lucky we are that we did sign them. You hear horror stories of all these big free-agent signings that don't pan out, and we signed arguably the best defenseman in the League and one of the best goal scorers in the League. Both players lived up to expectations. They're great people."

-Minnesota Wild GM Cliff Fletcher.  More on the Wild from Brian Compton of NHL.com.

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bigdee89's avatar

Ridiculous contracts never end well.

Posted by bigdee89 from The Great White North Eh? on 08/11/13 at 11:18 AM ET

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Ridiculous contracts never end well.

Posted by bigdee89 on 08/11/13 at 11:18 AM ET

Little early to say, no?

Posted by Heaton on 08/11/13 at 11:29 AM ET

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I guess we will see in a few years.  You could make a case for any lengthy high contract it won’t work out.  Luongo, Kovalchuk, Brad Richards, Vinny Lecavalier, etc

Posted by bigdee89 from The Great White North Eh? on 08/11/13 at 12:03 PM ET

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sounds a little like the old taoist/zen story about the farmer…

Posted by Kadoz on 08/11/13 at 12:14 PM ET

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In today’s NHL you can do a great job with two (or even three) elite UFA signings and still end up with a non-playoff team because two (or even three) elite players isn’t enough to get it done.

Since 2000 the sum total of the Wild’s drafting of above-replacement NHL’ers is pretty much Koivu, Clutterbuck, Gaborik, Burns, and Pouliot.  That’s not good.

If you can’t even draft decent depth it doesn’t matter how great you do signing big UFAs.  You have to spend too much money signing other UFAs to fill out your team, or you end up not very good.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 08/11/13 at 01:57 PM ET

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Leipold went out before the lockout and said he’d beat any offer and get them to sign in Minnesota. For whatever reason, he accomplished that goal…then turned right around and helped lock his two new stars out because he knew he couldn’t afford what he promised mere weeks before.

So…now that they have their two stars, a has-been winger, and a goaltender…who else will help them get to the top?

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 08/11/13 at 02:00 PM ET

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I don’t understand how he already saying they “panned out” when they’re only 1 year into the contracts.

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Chicago, IL on 08/11/13 at 03:09 PM ET

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Bitter much?

Posted by jkm2011 on 08/11/13 at 04:08 PM ET

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sounds a little like the old taoist/zen story about the farmer…

Posted by Kadoz on 08/11/13 at 12:14 PM ET


that’s the one with Ol’ McDonald right?

Posted by RhymeTimeWingsDings on 08/11/13 at 05:20 PM ET

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Bitter much?

Posted by jkm2011 on 08/11/13 at 04:08 PM ET

About?

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 08/11/13 at 05:51 PM ET

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Excuse my ignorance but what is this farmer story?  I thought we were discussing hockey?

Posted by bigdee89 from The Great White North Eh? on 08/11/13 at 10:46 PM ET

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Damn it.  Now I had to google that story and now I’m even more confused.  It basically says good comes from bad circumstances.  So how is signing Suter and Parise to bad contracts a good thing?

Posted by bigdee89 from The Great White North Eh? on 08/11/13 at 10:50 PM ET

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Don’t sweat it, bigdee89; for some people on this blog, the more vague of a post, the more of a “point” they think they have.  The ignore button is your friend.

And don’t feel bad.  I don’t know what the correlation is between a passive, indecisive farmer and an aggressive, divisive moron owner either.  Also:


“There is no bitterness for one who rinses out their mouth with success.”

- me, 8-11-13

Maybe I’m a Zen master now too, but probably not.  I’ll stick to hockey.

Posted by Mistercristo from Cameron Frye's garage, circa 1987 on 08/12/13 at 12:01 AM ET

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“when the student is ready, the teachers will arrive.” - Pumba

Posted by SlimChance on 08/12/13 at 12:17 AM ET

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Mistercristo that was awesome.  That is all.

Posted by bigdee89 from The Great White North Eh? on 08/12/13 at 12:34 AM ET

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Ha!  Thank goodness for my daughter that Disney’s in the philosophy business, huh?

PK, GM, et al: please eliminate the last “are” from my fourth sentence (”...are either.”).  That’s just poor syntax on my part.  We could really use an edit feature.

Posted by Mistercristo from Cameron Frye's garage, circa 1987 on 08/12/13 at 01:01 AM ET

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Cheers, bigdee89.

Posted by Mistercristo from Cameron Frye's garage, circa 1987 on 08/12/13 at 01:11 AM ET

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Wow…the comments on that (NHL.com) article are hysterical.  They just realized that there’s no longer any mods on the forum for some reason.

Posted by Mistercristo from Cameron Frye's garage, circa 1987 on 08/12/13 at 01:56 AM ET

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I wouldn’t call barely making the playoffs only to get rolled in the first round “panning out.”  Obviously there is still plenty of life in those contracts and Fletcher could be proved correct in his assessment; but if you’re going make that remark after one season, then you’ve determined the standard by which you are to be judged.  Parise and Suter didn’t match the hype.  After one season it’s hard to see that Minnesota really took a step forward with those guys.  They’ve become more reminiscent of the Iginla/Kiprusoff years in Calgary than anything else as far as I can tell. 

As was alluded to earlier, those signings would have been great for a team that has depth coming from within (teams like Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, and Detroit come to mind), but Minnesota isn’t one of those teams.  From where we stand right now it sounds like Fletcher is trying to convince himself as much as he is trying to convince others.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/12/13 at 11:57 AM ET

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considering we lost lidstrom and stuart and they signed Parise and Suter and we still beat them in the standings at the end of the year and took the team that beat them, out, all while drafting later than them perennially.

If you look at it as, “compared to what we accomplished WITH them, without them would’ve been devastating” mentality, than yeah, they were good signings.  Surrounded by crap ones.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 08/12/13 at 08:34 PM ET

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considering we lost lidstrom and stuart and they signed Parise and Suter and we still beat them in the standings at the end of the year and took the team that beat them, out, all while drafting later than them perennially.

Yes, considering that the Wings nearly missed the playoffs for the first time in 20+ years and the Wild made the playoffs for the first time since 2008…I’m sorry, what exactly was the point of comparing the two teams?

Posted by Garth on 08/12/13 at 09:17 PM ET

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Posted by Garth on 08/12/13 at 09:17 PM ET

Garth I could be wrong, but I think HO made the comparison to build off the idea that Parise and Suter would have been great additions to a team that already had something going from within, like Detroit, as opposed to signing them in order to slap lipstick on a pig like Minny.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/13/13 at 09:57 AM ET

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leopold is probably just trying to convince himself, as he’s ponying up a pair of $10 million signing bonuses, that things will be just fine.

Posted by syndrome on 08/13/13 at 10:56 AM ET

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leopold is probably just trying to convince himself, as he’s ponying up a pair of $10 million signing bonuses, that things will be just fine.

d’oh! or fletcher is trying to hang on to his job by convincing leopold of the same…

Posted by syndrome on 08/13/13 at 10:57 AM ET

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