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HDA Ask Of Th NHL

from the HDA,

PRESS RELEASE

  1. We will accelerate our efforts to ensure that no barriers exist to prevent Black individuals from getting hired by, and advancing within, the NHL and each of our member franchises (individually and collectively, the “League”) and hereby commit to increase:
    1. the number of Black executives in the NHL to 3.5% before the end of the 2024/2025 season;
    2. the employment of Black hockey-related personnel to 5% before the end of the 2020/2021 season; and 8% before the end of the 2022-2023 season;
    3. the employment of Black non hockey-related personnel to 10% before the end of the 2020-2021 season; and 12.5% before the end of the 2022-2023 season.

We acknowledge the research that has proven that organizations with truly diverse teams perform better and the fact that the game of hockey cannot truly grow to its potential without substantive changes to address systemic racism. It is our hope that this Pledge will be a meaningful first step to help the League ‘open its doors’ to underrepresented visible minorities across North America

* a Black supplier is a supplier who is either: (i) more than 50% owned, controlled and operated by black individuals; or (ii) whose personnel is comprised of at least 35% black individuals andwhose management is comprised of at least 35% black individuals

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Their formatting was all messed up so I had to take a partial screenshot of the area giving me problems.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 08/29/20 at 09:26 PM ET

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Why doesn’t the best supplier get the business… racial quotas are the same as affirmative action.  Garbage.  Also a dangerous practice in a “free country”.  And what about other races-  where is their percentage if it was really about “equal” opportunity.  Garbage.

Posted by SevensForTed on 08/30/20 at 06:38 AM ET

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SFT, in the long run, yes, the best supplier should get the business. But the way things currently stand in the reality of our society is that Black business owners are not getting anywhere near the same opportunity. If things like this aren’t done, teams will continue to do what they’ve always done and are comfortable with. Pushing this change now will hopefully lead to a more equal future. I think this image paints the picture pretty well: Link

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Denver on 08/30/20 at 09:31 AM ET

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Why doesn’t the best supplier get the business… racial quotas are the same as affirmative action.  Garbage.  Also a dangerous practice in a “free country”.  And what about other races-  where is their percentage if it was really about “equal” opportunity.  Garbage.

Posted by SevensForTed on 08/30/20 at 07:38 AM ET

100%.

The NHL openly discriminating against all other races here in the most racist way possible are Asian, Latino, Muslim, people and their businesses not welcome in the NHL?  What about women and LGBTQ?  Have we looked into the ages of people in power in the NHL? When or will all these minority groups have their opportunity to cancel NHL games resulting in quotas for themselves?

And why is this limited to everything off the ice, why is an athlete isolated to meritocracy, but the teams other employees are not?  Can anyone be a GM? A team president? The human resources, scout, director of personnel, director of IT? And if racism is systemic, is there a wall up that protects that system from the athletes themselves?

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Window Seat on the Captain's Ship on 08/30/20 at 10:39 AM ET

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Posted by MurrayChadwick

The fact is, a lot of those groups have not gotten high level jobs in major league sports BECAUSE of the group they’re in. To deny that is to deny reality. Giving someone a leg up who has been beaten down for hundreds of years on this continent isn’t going to hurt you. When the SN commentators were listing ppl who are possibilities for the AZ GM job, one of the names was Kevin Weeks. My first thought was that he’d probably be a good choice, and my second thought was, “he’s also black, so I’d bet he will be the next GM there, and that will be a win-win for everyone.”

None of this is legally binding or anything. These are goals set out by a group who’s job it was to make recommendations to better represent people of color in higher levels of management. Making an extra effort to reach out to groups who have been marginalized for centuries is the right thing to do, and will lead to more inclusion (and grow the game, which is the goal of any business). And, believe it or not, there ARE people of color who are qualified for these jobs.

Posted by Steeb on 08/30/20 at 12:44 PM ET

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No business doesn’t want to make money nor does any NHL team not want to win the Stanley Cup (besides maybe Ottawa lol)  so no rational owner or executive would not take the person best qualified to bring in the return they seek.  By putting quotas and forcing percentages you hurt the guy that is actually qualified or doing business as well as the people excluded from this group.  If Weeks is the right guy someone with far more knowledge would want him running their team because of his assets not his skin color.  This experiment is discrimination in itself.  Community outreach, more kids of every color playing hockey in general, and access to games will do far more for diversifying the game over time than rigging the system.

Posted by SevensForTed on 08/30/20 at 01:08 PM ET

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Posted by SevensForTed

Nobody’s “rigging the system”. These aren’t legally binding, hard quotas. The league asked a diverse group of people in Hockey (an “Alliance”, if you will) for recommendations on how best to Diversify the upper ranks of management and in non-hockey related jobs. To “ensure no barriers exist” for POC to be hired, and to look at the companies they partner with. That’s all!

Posted by Steeb on 08/30/20 at 01:16 PM ET

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No one alive today has been beaten down for hundreds of years!

Do we need a quota of children or grandchildren of Holocaust survivors?
Children of Vietnamese refugees? How about close ancestors of impoverished sharecroppers in eastern Kentucky? How about people with physical or cognitive
disabilities/differences?

I’m not saying this to be snarky or dismissive - just suggesting that diversity and
lived experience are much more complex than even well-intentioned proposals
are making them out to be.

Kevin Weekes immediately struck me as a sharp, insightful guy the first time
I saw him interviewed and nothing I’ve seen since suggests he’s not an up and coming talent. So good for him. I hope to see him in an executive position soon and it shouldn’t stop there.

But to me it’s more about “diversity and inclusion” and having a wider range
of visible role models and possibly mentors than it is about somehow addressing
a general idea of historical racial oppression with some continuing effects.

For example, I don’t know how Kevin Weekes grew up but if he had two parents
and an intact family that didn’t qualify for subsidized school lunches he had a couple of major head starts over me. Truth is the NHL is very very insular club - some guys might not hire you unless you grew up on PEI like they did. There are all kinds of barriers. And there are other variables too like how many have the same interests. We should encourage more kids to dream of scoring the Cup winning goal in their driveways - if they want to. Hockey is still a very regional sport in some ways - not every kid has a frozen pond all winter near their house. Not every kid is going to like hockey. Can cultural differences in interest in sports be ok? F
(honest question).

And while the goals for hiring in executive positions are quite modest,
12.5% in non-hockey operations is approaching the proportion of the general population. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it does suggest whether or not the league is going to try and represent dozens of others kinda of diversity at the same proportion as they exist in the overall US (or Canadian) population.

Posted by lefty.30 on 08/30/20 at 03:33 PM ET

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Posted by Steeb on 08/30/20 at 01:44 PM ET

Thank you for agreeing with me, this is a racist policy in excluding other races who in your view are not getting a chance.

What do you think about the athletes on the ice, ice time, being chosen for All-Star etc, equal there too right?

And what is “equal” should we match US population, how about North America? Hockey is a Global game should we match global representation?

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Window Seat on the Captain's Ship on 08/30/20 at 06:26 PM ET

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Why doesn’t the best supplier get the business… racial quotas are the same as affirmative action.  Garbage.

It continues to go on and on. Disgusting. mad

Posted by bigfrog on 08/30/20 at 06:30 PM ET

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If a very gifted guy - or woman - from a very
elite family in, say, Nigeria, came over and a few
years later decided to get involved in hockey and applied
for a job in a front office, would that be the same as
recruiting a guy or woman who can trace their ancestry
to people who were enslaved in the US (and more recently
suffered other serious forms of racial discrimination?

Is it a particular ancestral/familial historical experience
that’s being addressed, or is it about hiring more people of
a specific skin color or ethnicity?

This stuff is truly complicated.

I’m not dismissing the effort. Two things that make racism
and discrimination incredibly stupid (beyond being so profoundly
morally wrong) are that a) in prejudging people and categorizing
them you miss out on who they really are as complex individuals
and b) you deprive yourself of a bigger pool of potential talent.
The flipside is, you can be so obsessed with trying to right past wrongs
you force people into being nothing but stand-ins for hyper-reductive
categories and you actually reinforce racial categories and racialist thinking
instead of ever getting beyond it. And some people don’t actually want to ever get
beyond it, I guess. But instead make it even more important.

I hope we can agree that talent and merit and passion and commitment
and hard work are what matter most - should matter most in hockey or anything. Opportunity is a great thing. Don’t get me wrong.
But when you get into bean counting every category for every type of position
you getting away from merit and obsessing about describing people as categories with only one variable mattering.

Ok enough from me - back to actual hockey games and stuff.

Posted by lefty.30 on 08/30/20 at 07:13 PM ET

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theyre asking for 3.5% to be minority.  Listening to the comments youd have thought they said 35%

Posted by ThatGuy on 08/31/20 at 01:39 PM ET

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