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Brendan Smith Or Kevin Shattenkirk For The New York Rangers?

from Justin Tasch of the NY Daily News,

The way things have turned out, perhaps the Rangers are better off with Brendan Smith instead of Kevin Shattenkirk, the apple of contenders' eyes at the trade deadline. And that is not a slight against Shattenkirk, rather a recognition that Smith in these playoffs has been everything the Rangers hoped, a sharp blue-liner with plenty of bite, and some bark to go along with it.

Both players enter unrestricted free agency this summer, and the longer Smith plays this effectively the higher a priority he should be becoming for the Rangers' offseason plans. Smith says he's not thinking beyond the playoffs, but he did allow that he could see himself sticking around New York.

"Yeah, for sure. I enjoy it here," Smith told the Daily News. "I like the guys, I think the team is really good, and we're only gonna get better with all the young players."

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a number of teams seeking a guy like Smith who is versatile - a lefty comfortably playing the right side - aggressive, determined, can handle the puck solidly and is a positive presence in the locker room.

huh…wonder what was wrong with him here that he kept getting benched…

Posted by AZWinger on 05/03/17 at 05:15 PM ET

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Must be a different Brendan Smith?? JB/KH strike again

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 05/03/17 at 05:24 PM ET

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I think Smith looks better in NYR is because he has better teammates so he’s allowed to be slotted on a pairing which he can be consistent. Put him against others teams best every night, he’ll have some stinkers. That’s the problem with DET not having any true top pairing D. Everyone is playing above their skill level and look out matched.

Posted by BladesOfSteel on 05/03/17 at 05:34 PM ET

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Brendan Smith always pucks up his game for the playoffs, can he be this consistent during the season?  That was always the question

Posted by bababooey on 05/03/17 at 06:17 PM ET

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What do you guys think of Shatten Kirk’s play for the Caps? I have been quite unimpressed to this point. Bad decisions on the blue line.

Posted by Iggy_Rules from Calgary, Canada on 05/03/17 at 06:43 PM ET

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Look at all you guys, now jumping on the “we shouldnt have traded smith!” bandwagon. The guy wanted ludicrous money that even KH and his loyalty didnt want to give out.

If we lost him for nothing in FA, everyone would lose their minds.

He was STAPLED to the bench in game 2. Look at the minutes for rangers d-men.

Flip flop flip flop…

Posted by ilovehomers on 05/03/17 at 07:05 PM ET

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Oh, and blaming Blash? Smith was an underachiever under Babcock, too.

Get out with that nonsense.

Posted by ilovehomers on 05/03/17 at 07:05 PM ET

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Still not seeing what people are liking in Smith’s game.  It’s the same erratic, brain-fart game it was in DET.

He’s a flake and I can’t imagine how bad the other options must be for them to be happy with him as an alternative.  With how some NYR fans talk about Staal and Holden by comparison, you’d think Smith should still be on the top pairing with McDonagh or something.

Posted by Primis on 05/03/17 at 07:08 PM ET

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I mean, does anyone remember Babs benching Smith after playing the puck from the bench? During a playoff chase? Then Smith sat out a game or two in the playoffs?

Come to think of it, maybe he was trying to kill the streak. Would have been nice.

Posted by ilovehomers on 05/03/17 at 07:19 PM ET

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Smith has always had the bite going for him.  That’s really the only thing he had going for him in Detroit other than skating.  He was the only one with some meanness in his game other than the rare occassion Big E remembers he’s big.  But so many brain farts, though he did drive possession more than most the others if you’re into those stats.  It makes a huge difference slotted correctly, having King Lundquist as your goalie and a better team overall.  It’s a big problem in Detroit.  Wrong mix.  NOt all the players are horrible, they are just not great together.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 05/03/17 at 07:37 PM ET

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So, either Smith is something like the most embarrassing gaffe-machine in the modern history
of the NHL, a player who only hurts every team he plays for…or, people are reduced to
basically chanting “flip-flop”??

I’m pretty sure pretty much everyone who comments said that the Smith trade needed to be made.

And, that a #3 and a #2 was a pretty good return, given that Smith hadn’t (for whatever reasons)
been a top-four regular with the Wings.

It can’t also have been a good deal for the Rangers?

Or, else…“flip-flop, flip-flop”

We all know Smith is a polarizing player. Some people trot out advanced stats and say he
drove play better than any other Red Wing. Others say the eyeball test shows his errors
were almost always big ones that cost the team.

People need to face the fact that teams wanted Smith. Winning teams.
New York has a shot at the conference finals and for some reason they are
not scratching Smith. Sure, new teammates and old friends are going to be full
of positive comments. But that has nothing to do with what one of the more respected
coaches in the league decides. And Smith is a plus player with a couple of assists who
is at around 20 mins a game on a pretty successful playoff team.

FWIW, I was always ambivalent about Smith: loved his skating, toughness, competitiveness and overall tools - but was frustrated at uneven progress, inconsistency and errors. With the Wings going nowhere, serious cap trouble based on too many long, pricey deals to average players near, at or over thirty, and Smith inability (for whatever reasons) to cement a top-four role in Detroit, it was simply time to move him and recoup as much as possible in picks.

But there’s no contradiction in saying that and acknowledging that Smith can be an effective player
and one that other teams might be able to get more out of. Some people seemed to think he’d flop with
the Rangers, due seemingly to their own personal biases. I’ll give Holland credit for getting back two picks and the Rangers and Smith credit for making that deal worthwhile or better for themselves as well.

Posted by Lefty30 on 05/03/17 at 07:51 PM ET

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Lmfao….Smith over Shattenkirk???  Give your head a shake.

Posted by bigdee89 from The Great White North Eh? on 05/03/17 at 08:13 PM ET

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Shattenkirk is certainly not padding his resume with his performance in the playoffs thus far. He’s -6 with one goal (albeit that one was an OT winner). He’s a -17 in his playoff career, which isn’t helping his cause overall, either. He was supposed to be the final piece in the Caps puzzle that would have them curb stomping everyone on the way to a Cup, but he’s been almost a liability.

Smith has been solid, 20-ish min/gm and +8 in the playoffs this year (+9 career).

The original article made no mention of the Wings, but I wouldn’t want either of them next year, with the salary they’re going to want. But Smith’s stock is going up, Shattenkirk’s is… not.

Posted by Steeb on 05/03/17 at 08:29 PM ET

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First off, the question isn’t a question at all.  If you’re looking for a top two or three guy you want Shattenkirk, if you’re looking for depth then you might as well go for Smith.

Smith is fine now in New York because he is right at or near the bottom of the depth chart.  Put him in a second pairing with someone else who also isn’t a second pairing guy and you have what Detroit had.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/03/17 at 08:43 PM ET

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First off, the question isn’t a question at all.  If you’re looking for a top two or three guy you want Shattenkirk, if you’re looking for depth then you might as well go for Smith.

Smith is fine now in New York because he is right at or near the bottom of the depth chart.  Put him in a second pairing with someone else who also isn’t a second pairing guy and you have what Detroit had.

If you’re in the market for a top our defenseman then you shouldn’t even have a single thought about signing Smith, but if you’re looking for a bottom-pairing guy, then go nuts.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/03/17 at 08:44 PM ET

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Why even compare stats in a handful of playoff games?  Remember Ville Leino?

Posted by bigdee89 from The Great White North Eh? on 05/04/17 at 06:40 AM ET

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a number of teams seeking a guy like Smith who is versatile - a lefty comfortably playing the right side - aggressive, determined, can handle the puck solidly and is a positive presence in the locker room.

Now that’s a laugher. I do like how Smith has become a more nasty presence ever since that Boston playoff series but it was never enough to overcome his constant mistakes in handling the puck. He always held onto it a bit too long or passed it right into the danger zone (cue music).

That’s the problem with DET not having any true top pairing D. Everyone is playing above their skill level and look out matched.

This is SO true. Detroit’s defense would have been so much better if players weren’t playing roles that simply don’t have the skills to fill. Unfortunately Detroit might need TWO top pair guys to solve the problem because there is no way Kronwall should be a top pair guy anymore and DDK might not be able to fill that role.

What do you guys think of Shatten Kirk’s play for the Caps?

He’s been miserable. You’d think his performance would cost him big when free agency opens. But in a league so desperate for quality defenseman, someone will overpay. Whoever does will likely be making a serious mistake, especially if he is signed for over 5 years. At one point I thought he’d be a good addition to the Wings. Now I don’t want any part of him.

Although Smith is probably not as good a defenseman as Shattenkirk, a team might be better off signing Smith simply because it means they don’t make the mistake of signing Shattenkirk for big buck / long term. Then again a team is probably going to sign Smith for way beyond his actual worth. I’m thrilled the Wings were able to move him and get so much in return. The Wings need some snarl on defense but hopefully one of the young guys can develop that as they develop their other skills and at a much lower cost.

 

 

Posted by evileye on 05/04/17 at 08:22 AM ET

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What do you guys think of Shatten Kirk’s play for the Caps? I have been quite unimpressed to this point. Bad decisions on the blue line.

I agree as Shattenkirk has been unimpressive, but as mentioned by previous posters he will get the big bucks and term this summer. Ken Holland received a third and second round pick (20180 for Smith. A good trade for the Red Wings since Smith will be an UFA this summer also.  smile

Posted by bigfrog on 05/04/17 at 07:10 PM ET

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