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Audio/Video- Glenn Healy On The Reported Tampa Bay Lightning Contract Offer To Steven Stamkos

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NHL analyst Glenn Healy says if indeed the Lightning have offered Steve Stamkos somewhere in the 8-year, $68 million range, that has been alleged, it’s unacceptable and embarrassing.

 

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8 years and 8.5 per isn’t as embarrassing as this guy is saying. Chill out… but.. if I were the wings or any other organization, im doing 9.8mil to 10 mil or something per year… That’s pretty low for sure. Not “embarrassing” to the point of ridicule, however!!!!!!.... It does explain why contract talks haven’t really existed during this season, maybe that’s hwy they’re not talking because stammer was like… wtf? I’m the most prolific goal scorer (along with Ovie) and you offer 8.5???

Posted by Pasha1277 on 01/25/16 at 03:42 PM ET

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That’s another thing.. I mean.. could the wings sign this guy? What if we offered him 8 years and 10mil? I mean.. there’s our goal scorer! fuch anyone else on this team, get rid of hank, pav, kronner, tartar, nyquist. anyone. make $room and space room for this guy.. COuld we do it?

Posted by Pasha1277 on 01/25/16 at 03:47 PM ET

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Stamkos will demand 10m/yr, easy, I would think. The guy is 25, he could get 10m/10 years.

Maybe Stevie knows Stamkos wants to leave, and is throwing a big middle finger his way.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie, MI on 01/25/16 at 04:07 PM ET

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Assuming that there is some tension between the Lightning and Stamkos, then I’d definitely say that $8.5M is an insult.  Over the course of the contract he’s currently on, he’s scored 177 goals in 297 games, or 49 goals per 82 games.  If that’s not worth more than $8.5M a year then I don’t know what is.  It’s basically the exact same production that Ovechkin had and he’s getting paid $9.5M a year.

If everything was hunky dory between the Lightning and Stamkos and this was a GM hoping to get a star player to take a hometown discount, it’s not as a bad starting point, at least.

So I guess it all depends on how much truth there is to the Yzerman vs Stamkos rumours.

COuld we do it?

Well, we couldn’t do 8 years because only a team re-signing its own player can do eight years.  As for seven though, if there was a way to unload some of the dead weight then it’s potentially doable.

Posted by Garth on 01/25/16 at 04:09 PM ET

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Sorry, $8.5m/yr for a guy who scores goals, and NOTHING else, is not unacceptable.  Not with the current economic uncertainty surrounding the league and salaries.  Maybe if we knee the cap was going up a bunch, it’d be different, but it’s not.

He’s been making $7.5m/yr, and he also doesn’t look like hes scoring 50 or 60 goals anymore, so I think $8.5/yr for a 40-ish goal scorer who doesn’t contribute much of anything else is fair.  He’s not even on pace for 40 this year.

Posted by Primis on 01/25/16 at 04:21 PM ET

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If this offer actually happened and no one seems to know for sure, and this was a 1st offer in the negotiations, then I’d say it’s not an insult.
If this is an initial offer, then you pretty much should expect somewhat of a lowball offer. In the end if Stamkos wants to stay and there is no truth to the rumors about Stamkos not being happy, he’ll take a deal similar to Kopitar’s.
Healy loves to go overboard with things and this just another example of it.

Posted by George0211 on 01/25/16 at 04:30 PM ET

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He’s been making $7.5m/yr, and he also doesn’t look like hes scoring 50 or 60 goals anymore

Well, 49 goals per 82 games over the life his current contract…

Posted by Garth on 01/25/16 at 04:30 PM ET

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if Stamkos wants to stay and there is no truth to the rumors about Stamkos not being happy, he’ll take a deal similar to Kopitar’s.

If that’s the case then $8.5M a year is an insult because Kopitar’s going to be making $10M per year.

Posted by Garth on 01/25/16 at 04:32 PM ET

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If that’s the case then $8.5M a year is an insult because Kopitar’s going to be making $10M per year.

Posted by Garth on 01/25/16 at 03:32 PM ET

Did Kopitar sign the 1st offer LA made him? I highly doubt it.

Posted by George0211 on 01/25/16 at 04:33 PM ET

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Well, 49 goals per 82 games over the life his current contract…

Posted by Garth on 01/25/16 at 03:30 PM ET

He appears to be trending downward a bit though.  40 might be his ceiling now.  So why would you pay like he’s going to put in 50 or 60 again?

And Stamkos is not anywhere near as complete a player as Kopitar is.  They’re not comparable.

Buyer beware a bit on Stamkos.  You’re getting him now, not 3 or 4 years ago.  He doesn’t seem quite the same since the injuries.

Posted by Primis on 01/25/16 at 04:36 PM ET

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Whether you believe he’s not worth $10M/year is moot.
There are going to be multiple GM’s that will give him that (maybe more). Yzerman knows that. Stammer knows that.
And that’s why this offer is insulting.

BTW, only the Lightning can offer him an 8 year deal per the CBA.
All other teams can offer him a 7-year max deal.

I wouldn’t be shocked if someone offers him 7/$80M+.

Heck, I think Florida might do it. It’s a perfect fit actually.

I’m a big Stamkos fan but I don’t think paying him $10M/yr is something the Lightning should do. Not when they have so many players that need to be resigned in the next 2 seasons.

Still, the team better perform very well in order to appease the fanbase. It’s not going to be a popular choice to let a 25-year-old, 50 goal scoring fan favorite walk for nothing.

Posted by Hank1974 on 01/25/16 at 04:38 PM ET

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Buyer beware a bit on Stamkos.  You’re getting him now, not 3 or 4 years ago.  He doesn’t seem quite the same since the injuries.

Agreed. Primis. I also think losing St.Louis has a lot to do with it.
He needs a playmaker on his flank to make him effective.

 

Posted by Hank1974 on 01/25/16 at 04:40 PM ET

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He appears to be trending downward a bit though.

True, but is that even real?  Last year and this year are ones that have had more turmoil surrounding him that the past.  The coach has tried moving him away from this natural position, his most comfortable position, the position he wants to play, so who’s to say that if he goes somewhere else where the coach says “you’e a 50-goal scorer, go score 50 goals” and just lets him play, it’s entirely possible that he not only bounces back but surpasses his best output so far.

Let’s not forget that he’s still only going to be 26 when his new contract starts.

Give him a front-loaded contract, maybe one with big bonuses this year and next, and if he’s slowing down when he turns 30 then you can unload him to an Arizona or similar place that could use a contract with a cap hit that’s a few million more than his actual salary.

Posted by Garth on 01/25/16 at 04:51 PM ET

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Let’s not forget that Glen Healy also thinks that Pavel Datsyuk doesn’t have “all the God-blessed talent in the world, but he is a hard worker”, so feel free to ignore his dementia-laced mutterings like most knowledgeable people in the hockey world do.

The only “talent” that Healy possesses is the excretion of willfully oblivious statements that incite a response.

Classic Healy: he manufactures “outrage” or some imagined “injustice”, and on this entry alone there are 13 posts doing mental gymnastics to either find a way to get him to Detroit or defending/ridiculing this entire debacle.  Good work, Glen.

Ignore this fool.  Healy is the only thing unacceptable and embarrassing here.

Posted by Mistercristo from Cameron Frye's garage, circa 1987 on 01/25/16 at 05:08 PM ET

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FWIW, Dreger confirming the proposed contract numbers.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/25/16 at 05:25 PM ET

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Healy may think the reported offer is embarrassing, but…

What is Stamkos requesting, anyways?  8 years and $13 mil?  Because that’s just as embarrassing.

That is how these negotiations occur, anyways.  Both sides start out unrealistic and they find a common ground.  Or, they don’t and the player goes to wherever he wants or whichever team pays him what he wants.

Posted by TreKronor on 01/25/16 at 05:27 PM ET

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Glenn Healy is actually getting dumber by the day Rogers Media should put him at the front of the line as far as layoffs go

Posted by nickp91 on 01/25/16 at 07:13 PM ET

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True, but is that even real?

Posted by Garth on 01/25/16 at 03:51 PM ET

It’s more real than just assuming he can do more.  And that’s the rub.  Paying and hoping he lives up to it is a dangerous thing.

Posted by Primis on 01/25/16 at 08:28 PM ET

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I don’t think $8.5M is such a bad starting point. You can bet Yzerman emphasized the need for budgetary control if they are going to sign the rest of the pieces that’ll keep Tampa competitive during the length of the contract.

He can certainly get more on the open market but if he goes to a team like Toronto, the surrounding cast is going to be a lot weaker. Right now he is with a team that can compete for the Cup this year and many beyond.

Posted by evileye on 01/26/16 at 03:59 PM ET

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