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Statement From The Hockey Diversity Alliance

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What this kid did was horrific and stupid and his punishment seemed light? But he was a juvenile.

Should that follow him around forever? Something from when he was 14? What else should this conviction hold him back from? It’s not like he was a lottery pick. Making someone irredeemable will NOT defeat racism.

It reeks of hypocrisy, as bringing up a criminal record is generally a no-no for when police shoot a black male. Its not relevant, they were on their way back, etc.

But this kid does not get such a benefit.

This is not about justice, learning, growth. Instead of offering training or education, the HDA just says ‘we wont associate with you.’

GTFO

Posted by ilovehomers on 10/29/20 at 05:47 AM ET

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Let me clarify that being a juvenile does not excuse his behavior.

It just adds context to the entire situation

Posted by ilovehomers on 10/29/20 at 05:52 AM ET

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Yeah, I’m not sure what the HDA’s actual goal is here on this.

Honestly it kinda’ comes off in the way of “Well, we finally dug something up on someone, now we can pound the pulpit and make some noise”, which…. is counter-productive.  I’d be curious to know if the HDA ever personally contacted Miller or anyone associated with him first, or tried any alternative avenues.  My guess is “no”, they probably jumped right straight to the press release.

Also, by my understanding the “diversity” of the HDA isn’t so great, and that they’ve refused any female involvement with anything whatsoever.  A quick perusal of the names of Founders and Board seems to confirm that.  They maybe need to get their own house in order first before they start trying to go after other individuals and organizations.

I get what they’re trying to do, but they sure don’t seem ready to actually do it as a serious organization.

Posted by Primis on 10/29/20 at 07:29 AM ET

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We’re not talking about a “boys will be boys” one time mistake here. We’re talking about many years of racially motivated bullying of a kid with developmental disabilities. Followed by a bare-minimum court-mandated written “apology” for a single incident, which based on the words of both the family of the boy (who forgave the non-hockey-prospect perpetrator) and the magistrate of the case came woefully short of showing true contrition.

A teenager is old enough to know that what he was doing is reprehensible. To continue the pattern for at least 6 years with no apparent remorse is not a “mistake.” Writing letters saying you’re sorry to all your potential future employers but shirking your responsibility to your own victim seems to pretty strongly suggest what’s motivating Miller’s “apology.”

Yes, people can change, even after doing horrible things to others for a long time. But the magnitude of the remorsefulness and atonement has to match the magnitude of the misdeeds. If Miller truly understood what he did, was truly remorseful, truly accepted the consequences of his actions, truly wanted to make things right with this kid and his family, then his behavior over the last few years would be very different.

I don’t think anyone is saying that Miller is irredeemable, or that his past actions completely eliminate any possibility of forgiveness or change. But if you want forgiveness and a second chance, I think we can expect you to actually be sorry about what you did and be serious about wanting to make it right, and not just be sorry that you got caught.

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 10/29/20 at 08:27 AM ET

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To continue the pattern for at least 6 years

citation, please

Posted by ilovehomers on 10/29/20 at 08:45 AM ET

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There was another juvenile involved in the bullying that was very sincere in his apology. That’s the one who can be forgiven for his behavior. The family of the victim did just that.

Miller, in contrast, did the bare minimum and by all reports is unremorseful to this day. What he did pretty much ruined a young boys life and he just can’t comprehend that or show any compassion. I don’t think he deserves a “second chance” until he does.

Yes, plenty of kids make mistakes when they are young. The good ones start by learning from those mistakes. Bullying is something that’s easy to fall into when you are younger but it is also one of the easiest things to see is horribly wrong, as you grow as a person, and correct your behavior. Mr Miller still needs to grow up.

Posted by evileye on 10/29/20 at 08:52 AM ET

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Posted by evileye on 10/29/20 at 09:52 AM ET

This seems fair and essentially what I feel the HDA should offer - apologize and work to make it right.

Posted by ilovehomers on 10/29/20 at 09:22 AM ET

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Posted by ilovehomers on 10/29/20 at 09:45 AM ET

Mea culpa, I can’t locate the original source where I read “6 years” and may have misread or misremembered. However statements from both the victim and the victim’s mother say “years” of abuse, including at least two years after the 2016 incident. So at the very least it’s a pattern, not a single incident.

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 10/29/20 at 09:26 AM ET

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Bullying is something that’s easy to fall into when you are younger but it is also one of the easiest things to see is horribly wrong, as you grow as a person, and correct your behavior. Mr Miller still needs to grow up.

Posted by evileye on 10/29/20 at 09:52 AM ET

Again, did the HDA do anything to contact Miller and talk to him about it?  Because nothing I’ve seen on this yet says that they have.  It’s entirely possible a call and/or video chat with him on this all could have resolved something.  One would imagine if they *had* contacted him and he refused, that then would be a critical part of the public evidence they would present.  They haven’t.

And it doesn’t seem that was even considered, just immediately to the press release demanding something instead… not from Miller mind you, but from the NHL org that drafted him, and the NHL itself.  And if you’re cynical, you then look at that and see it as the HDA almost using it as self-promotion more than trying to actually get any result from Miller.

The kid very much needs to apologize and make amends.  I wish the HDA was focused on that part instead of what they can publicly do with this.

Posted by Primis on 10/29/20 at 09:59 AM ET

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I don’t think the 6 years needs a citation, story says it started in 2nd grade and he was punished when he was 14. 8 years old is about a second grade age so 6 years is easily extrapolated from information given in the story itself.  I agree with the alliance there should be no place for him in the NHL, he is going to college he can get a job and have a livelihood like anyone else.  He isn’t being denied anything if he is blackballed from the NHL, actions should have consequences and if the kid was raised to be like that at 14 I’m sure 4 years isn’t going to change his attitude.  He can find plenty of places to show he has changed or is a better person but it doesn’t need to be the NHL.  You are already held to a high standard of athletic ability and commitment to be a player, nothing wrong to adding a morally decency condition to that too.

Posted by AzWingsFan on 10/29/20 at 10:03 AM ET

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Posted by AzWingsFan on 10/29/20 at 11:03 AM ET

Sven’s comment stated there were incidents after the 2016 incident. So if true, then the case is stronger.

If he hasnt had an incident since 2016, not sure how he can be banned from the NHL without any chance at recourse in 2020.

Posted by ilovehomers on 10/29/20 at 10:22 AM ET

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Posted by ilovehomers on 10/29/20 at 11:22 AM ET

I thought the same when this first started going around, but after reading a few articles it sounds like there’s more pattern to this story than just the incident at 14 and it continued later in life.

Look two sides to every story, but in this case, he’s not out there denying the latter parts of this narrative. 

If something isn’t true, the easiest thing to do is to walk to a microphone and say so right?

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerHolland2.0's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 10/29/20 at 01:49 PM ET

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It happened in Detroit, too.  Those boys, I’m sure, are watching this situation real close.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 10/29/20 at 10:13 PM ET

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