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Flyers Trade Max Talbot To Avs For Steve Downie

 

DENVER – The Colorado Avalanche Hockey Club announced today that the team has acquired forward Maxime Talbot from the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for forward Steve Downie.

Talbot, 29, has appeared in all 11 games for the Flyers this year, tallying a goal and one assist.  A native of Lemoyne, Quebec, Talbot has recorded 77 goals and 77 assists for 154 points in 515 career games between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.  He has also skated in 77 career playoff games, totaling 39 points (18g/21a).

“Maxime is a veteran forward who has won a Stanley Cup and has a lot of NHL experience,” said Avalanche Executive Vice President of Hockey Operations Joe Sakic.  “We look forward to him bringing that experience to our club.”

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Evilpens's avatar

hahahaha they traded Downie away because he is Dumb as a box of Rocks & is a Bad Penalty waiting to happen, Guess they finally realized Talbot is a 4th Liner they Massively overpaid for LOL How Holmgren/Clarke continue to keep their jobs just proves how out of it Snider is

Posted by Evilpens on 10/31/13 at 01:34 PM ET

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What the ...

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 10/31/13 at 02:09 PM ET

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PD, you could have had Tootoo for free in a few days.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/31/13 at 02:11 PM ET

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I don’t know what these guys are doing anymore, Paul and EP. They just traded away a good presence in the locker room and a leader for Downie. Flyers fans are all saying but we traded a 3rd/4th line player for a first-line player. I don’t care, the comments on this were he still takes dumb penalties. Unless their throwing this season away and taking on any expiring contract to reload next year, there was no point to this deal from a Flyers perspective.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 10/31/13 at 02:25 PM ET

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Unless their throwing this season away and taking on any expiring contract to reload next year, there was no point to this deal from a Flyers perspective.

Getting a better player?

Posted by Chris M on 10/31/13 at 02:35 PM ET

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Flyers get a guy who can produce more points but takes dumb penalties a lot. Colorado gets a veteran who has won a Cup for their young locker room. Also, they get a decent cap hit and rid themselves of the pending UFA Downie, who they would likely not re-sign since they’re about to have potential cap issues with a LOT of guys to sign before 2014. Colorado does not need Downie’s offense and they’re certainly better off without his PIMs.

Colorado just screwed Philly. Colorado is St. Louis 2-3 years ago.

Posted by awould on 10/31/13 at 02:39 PM ET

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Nope Downie is an egghead & that is precisely why the Flyers traded him the first time, He took incredibly stupid Penalties against the Pens in the Playoffs back then. Max will go down in Pens History but he is VASTLY overpaid now

Posted by Evilpens on 10/31/13 at 02:41 PM ET

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Posted by Evilpens on 10/31/13 at 02:41 PM ET

He makes $1M less then Downie does. And I agree, Downie takes stupid penalties still and Talbot was on your first team PK, which if Homer would notice, gets used quite a bit.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 10/31/13 at 02:44 PM ET

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Talbot was on your first team PK, which if Homer would notice, gets used quite a bit.

Downie will make sure that first team PK gets even more ice time.

Posted by awould on 10/31/13 at 02:48 PM ET

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But Talbot is a 4th Liner in the perfect world & he makes way too much for 4th liner

Posted by Evilpens on 10/31/13 at 02:51 PM ET

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As someone just brought up to me on Facebook, I forgot Downie played on the top line in Tampa with St. Louis and Stamkos. Maybe this isn’t the most awful trade in the world.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 10/31/13 at 02:56 PM ET

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from Sam Carchidi of the Philadelphia Inquirer,

“I like the hunger and energy he brings,” GM Paul Holmgren said. “I think he’ll help us.”

The Flyers have scored two goals or fewer in 10 of their 11 games. the lack or production is why Holmgren made the move. Holmgren said Talbot’s defensive play will be missed, “but we felt at the other end, we needed something to stir the pot.”

Downie may be used on the top line to give Claude Giroux more room.

Holmgren said called Downie someone “who goes to the front of the net with a purpose and he can really hold onto the puck and make plays. Steve’s a good player, a better player than maybe people give him credit for.”

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/31/13 at 03:02 PM ET

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he is also really good at Figure 4 Leg Locks while Skating

Posted by Evilpens on 10/31/13 at 03:04 PM ET

shazam88's avatar

Darn, was hoping Philly would take Carcillo off our hands.

Posted by shazam88 from SoCal on 10/31/13 at 04:28 PM ET

Evilpens's avatar

FWIW, Downie has scored 3 goals in his career as an Av.

Posted by Evilpens on 10/31/13 at 04:38 PM ET

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FWIW, Downie has scored 3 goals in his career as an Av.

Yeah, well he has 7 pts in 11 games this year and 145 pts in 285 games in his career. He’s a hockey player with value, not sure why everyone is acting like he’s Dan Carcillo with rocks for hands and rusty skates.

Posted by awould on 10/31/13 at 05:20 PM ET

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Downie’s got skill, but he hasn’t really done anything with it in his career, apart from one season when he was glued to Stamkos and Marty (which he won’t be in Philadelphia).

The thing that’s confusing about this deal to me is that it doesn’t serve a need. Flyers already have players with decent hands who go to the net and take stupid penalties.

Talbot isn’t a better or more skilled guy than Downie. But he’s more multidimensional—and he’s more multidimensional in ways Philadelphia needs.

He’s a character guy, he’s been there, done that and, perhaps most importantly, he is, by far, Philadelphia’s best 4 on 5 player. Flyers take a lot of penalties. Flyers are going to take even more penalties now that Downie’s there. Who’s going to be killing those, exactly? Ain’t gonna be Downie doing that job.

Posted by larry on 10/31/13 at 11:45 PM ET

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Posted by larry on 10/31/13 at 11:45 PM ET

Couldn’t have said it any better myself.

Posted by phillyd from Southern New Jersey on 11/01/13 at 09:28 AM ET

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The money factor is what really makes this a bit of a head-scratcher. I don’t think Colorado is St. Louis two years ago. This trade would make sense for a team like St. Louis to make TODAY, but wouldn’t have made sense for them to do two years ago.

Despite a strong start, let’s be realistic. Colorado is not a real competitor in the West yet. Even if they make the playoffs, they just do not have the experience (on the ice and behind the bench) and depth to compete with the likes of LA, Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim, and Vancouver in a 7 game series. Even Nashville, with a healthy Rinne, is probably a slightly better team this year.

Don’t get me wrong… it’s not a terrible trade. It’s always good to have a multi-dimensional veteran on any team. But stockpiling young talent makes more sense to me for a team like the Avs.

I have to think one of two things is true here that we just simply haven’t heard rumblings about yet—either there’s a problem “in the room” with Downie on the team, or Colorado has no intention of paying Downie what he’ll likely command after this season, and want to get something of value for him while they have a chance.

Right now, this looks like a weird, but I suppose pretty fair trade for both sides. If Colorado simply rides out Talbot’s contract and lets him walk, then I think that ultimately would make this a stupid trade. If they don’t get over-ambitious and think they’re better this year or next year than they really are, what they should do is use Talbot as a trade chip at the deadline this year or next year, when every team is frothing at the mouth to add a veteran forward that can kill penalties, forecheck hard, bring Cup winning experience, and chip in a goal every few games. If they do that, then this becomes a smart move for the Avs (similar to the way if the Sabres also trade Moulson it makes the Vanek deal look really really good).

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 11/01/13 at 10:25 AM ET

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