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Maybe it’ll turn out that Helm and Mikael Samuelsson and Todd Bertuzzi are lost for the season and Cleary is back as an insurance policy, a fourth line stabilizer. If that’s the case, then signing him is simply a lateral move. But if his return means guys like Tatar and Nyquist don’t get their shot, it’s hard not to see this as a bad move for the Wings.

-Allan Muir of Sports Illustrated wheren you can read more on the Cleary signing.

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Someone in the media who’s not a Holland apologist and asks a legitimate question?  what is the world coming to?

Posted by bababooey on 09/12/13 at 03:48 PM ET

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Great article. 

That he felt more comfortable with Cleary and his diminishing game speaks volumes about the lack of confidence that Holland and coach Mike Babcock have in these players. It’s not just a slap in the face to the kids. If a player like Tatar isn’t ready after three years in Grand Rapids, it suggests that the Wings are either drafting poorly or not properly developing their prospects.

It’s easy to say that another year in the minors won’t kill their careers, but that’s not necessarily true. Guys get stale playing lesser competition. They lose confidence. They wonder where they fit. Because a deal like this suggests they don’t fit in Detroit.

Posted by jkm2011 on 09/12/13 at 04:14 PM ET

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Exactly!  what message does this send to other prospects?  Be a Calder Cup MVP do everything that is asked and more so that we’ll go out and re-sign a guy who already turned us down earlier in the summer, had no where else to go and came crawling back, to take your spot.  And make no mistake, Cleary will be playing on the top 3 lines before Tatar or Nyquist.  And now that Holland let the cat out of the bag and said they’ll look to re-sign Cleary to a multi year deal, forget it because even when Sammy, Bert and Alfie leave (which I bet at least 1 of the 3 gets re-signed) means that there will not be any room up front.

Posted by bababooey on 09/12/13 at 04:27 PM ET

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And make no mistake, Cleary will be playing on the top 3 lines before Tatar or Nyquist. 

Posted by bababooey on 09/12/13 at 04:27 PM ET

You have no idea if that’ll happen or not. We already have been told what the top 2 lines should be, and we know what the 3rd line did in the playoffs. If Cleary can do what he did in the playoffs, I have no issue with him slotting in on the 2nd line at times or in the 2nd PP unit. If he can’t, 4th line minutes or bench riding, and I bet he’ll be on the bench for a quarter of the season (not counting the inevitable injury).

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 09/12/13 at 04:44 PM ET

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You have no idea if that’ll happen or not. We already have been told what the top 2 lines should be, and we know what the 3rd line did in the playoffs. If Cleary can do what he did in the playoffs, I have no issue with him slotting in on the 2nd line at times or in the 2nd PP unit. If he can’t, 4th line minutes or bench riding, and I bet he’ll be on the bench for a quarter of the season (not counting the inevitable injury).

sure I know, look at the past season, do you think they re-signed him so he can sit on the bench?  or in the press box?  Not happening, and you certainly don’t think that Holland is talking about a multi year contract extension for him because he’s on the bubble, do you?  C’mon.

Posted by bababooey on 09/12/13 at 04:53 PM ET

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Posted by bababooey on 09/12/13 at 04:53 PM ET

Exactly.  Babcock kept him on Datsyuk’s line while Cleary was dragging down that entire line and when literally everyone on the roster was playing better than Cleary was.

I love Babcock and think he’s generally an amazing coach, but I simply will never understand the blind spot he has for Cleary.

Posted by Garth on 09/12/13 at 04:58 PM ET

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A lot of unknowns here (as in : why the F*** did they do it?), so we have to go with what we know.

Here’s is what we know:

1) Tots and Gus played games in the NHL. Neither one looked totally out of place.

2) Both have peaked in the AHL, they need the next level

3) Cleary was awful with Dats last season. It was painfully obvious to everyone but Babs, who kept the line together way too long.

4) We discovered a new animal last year: the 200 lb Newfoundland Albatross

5) other than a playoff enigma, Cleary was a bad hockey player last season

6) We’ve seen nothing from Tots or Gus that say they are not ready, at least on the ice, so the problem is

a) they are awful in the dressing room, and difficult to coach

b) Babcock and Holland are so loyal to their aging vets they will go down with them

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 09/12/13 at 06:00 PM ET

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While I don’t disagree with the concerns regarding Tatar and Nyquist, I’d say that at the start of the 09-10 regular season you could make a damn strong case that…

1.  Ericsson played as a #2 defenseman in the 2009 NHL Finals.  He did not look out of place.

2.  Ericsson had peaked in the AHL (or the bottom pairing, even), he needed the next level.

7.  We’d seen nothing from Ericsson to say that he was not ready, at least not on the ice.

As far as point 3 goes, Abdelkader was as much of a problem on that 13-8-11 line as Cleary was, initially.  You are all willing to forget the 20-something game goalless streak because it worked out in the end.  Babcock deserves some credit there.  He saw something we didn’t and he was right.

5 isn’t very arguable.  Cleary played bad hockey.  A hurt Daniel Cleary played bad hockey in a lockout-shortened season with enough injuries on his team that he couldn’t really take a break and get well.  The NBA writers and fans understand the implications of their strike shortened season; why do we seem to struggle to realize the condensed schedule affects hockey players just as much?  Maybe more so.  This year will be condensed as well, due to the Olympics, so it’s good to have guys who can fit in on the top line for a 3-4 game stretch playing on the bottom line.  Let’s have some faith in Babcock and hope that’s the spot for Cleary; a bottom line player who can occasionally bring it good enough to be a top line player in very small spurts (protecting leads late in games, filling in during the inevitable Abdelkader suspension.).

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 09/12/13 at 07:27 PM ET

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seems like Allan Muir of Sports Illustrated spends time reading the KK comments section

Posted by SnLO from the sub great-white north on 09/12/13 at 08:36 PM ET

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