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Video- Brendan Smith Hit On Ben Smith Tonight

added 12:07am 9/29/11, via Adam L. Jahns of Inside The Blackhawks,

Coach Joel Quenneville: “Both referees said that’s a classic example of what we’re talking about, that’s the illegal hit. It was pretty black and white. I’m not happy about it. [Ben Smith is] better, we’ll see how he is tomorrow. The severity of these suspensions have been very big. It’s going to get [the players’] attention, and I’m sure players will learn.”

Detroit coach Mike Babcock: “The interesting thing about the league now - and I don’t doubt that [Brendan Smith’s] shoulder hit [Ben Smith’s] head - is there any responsibility on the puck carrier, toe-dragging, sliding sideways, to look after himself? Doesn’t appear like there is anymore, is there? You come across the middle, toe-dragging like this, and you get dinged. And I’m not saying that our guy isn’t guilty, his shoulder hit his head, you better not put yourself in those situations I would say. There will be a video report about it tomorrow, I’m sure.”


According to the box score, Brendan Smith received 10 and a match penalty.

 

added 11:02pm, Instant Twitter analysis below…

via Bob McKenzie,

Brendan Smith is lining up Ben Smith for hit, as he should in that situation. Commits to hit, Ben Smith drags to inside at last second. BOOM

Result is head shot. Intentional? Does it matter? What was Brendan Smith supposed to do? Honestly, I don’t know. Over to @NHLShanahan.

via Tim Sassone,

Shanahan can suspend Smith and others, but it’s the dumb-ass players like Smith who aren’t learning anything.

via Chris Kuc,

The hit Red Wing’s Brandan Smith drilled #Blackhawks’ Ben Smith with is exactly what the NHL is trying to eliminate.

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We’ll see. Smith is going to have to answer to that if he’s in the line-up against the Hawks during the season. Head hit for sure, but unintentional. There will be plenty of instances similar to this one over the course of the season.

Posted by Jesters Dead on 09/29/11 at 03:20 AM ET

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10 games?! Easy, Rick Perry.

Posted by Jesters Dead on 09/29/11 at 03:22 AM ET

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But the rule specifically references targeting the head.  I honestly can’t imagine a suspension…

Posted by Garth on 09/29/11 at 12:15 AM ET

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A lateral or blind side hit to an opponent where the head is targeted and/or the principal point of contact is not permitted.

Posted by NHL.com

That’s the entire rule, and he pretty much broke it verbatim—however, I’d find it very hard to believe he was actually targeting the head, but lateral and principal point of contact, yes.  He’ll probably get the last two preseason games and two or three regular season games, and that should be that.

Here’s hoping the Hawks’ Smith is okay.

Posted by RedMenace from A Tormented Hellscape on 09/29/11 at 03:49 AM ET

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10 games?! Easy, Rick Perry.

Smiley

Posted by Denver Wings on 09/29/11 at 04:10 AM ET

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If he gets ANY suspension it’ll be more like 2 games. 

If you watch the replay, it almost seems as if Ben Smith is hit, and then thinks, hey he hit my head and then embellished it.

I think Brendan Smith gets two games.

Posted by Zombie from Las Vegas on 09/29/11 at 07:16 AM ET

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Forgot to add a few more points:

a.  This was in the middle of the ice, not near the boards, with the player carrying the puck.

b.  The onus could easily be on the puck carrier to know that the defender is coming, and the carrier made a move at the last possible second.


The other suspensions:

P3L - Boarding and was a repeat offender (5 total games)
Shelley - Hitting from behind, repeat offender (10 total games)
Wisniewski - check to the head AFTER the game was over.  (11 total games)
Staubitz - Illegal check to the back from at least 15 feet away (6 total games)
Boyes - Illegal hit to the head , note that Boyes followed through and extended his arms which Smith did not do. (2 Preseason games)
Jacques - Not playing hockey, making a beeline for opposing player to instigate a fight (9 total games)
Sestito - Charging/Boarding from at least 20 feet away (4 total games)

The more I look at it, the more I think that Smith gets zero, 1 or 2 games at most.

Posted by Zombie from Las Vegas on 09/29/11 at 07:38 AM ET

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The NHL as we know it is heading downhill, and fast.

The only thing wrong with that hit was Ben Smith tried the toe drag while Red Wing Smith was lining him up.  I don’t see any fault with what Brendon Smith did here.  Hard to blame the victim, but in this instance, what else could Brendon Smith do? 

Hockey’s a fast game, which often comes down to split second decisions.  What could Brendon have done differently?  Allow Ben to waltz on by? 

I realize that the league is trying to prevent concussions, but it’s getting ridiculous.  Sooner or later the puck carrier has to be held accountable as well.

Posted by Dan from Halifax on 09/29/11 at 11:24 AM ET

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I say that, Garth, because it was a DIRECT head hit….WITH injury (I am assuming.) What Sessito did was stupid, but….as you pointed in an earlier post, what Brendan Smith did was NOT (potentially) avoid delivering “brain damage.”

Yeah, but you also have to consider intent.  Ben Smith moved at the last second and there was little to no time for Brendan Smith to alter his hit.  Sestito came rocketing in with no intent other than to hammer Deveaux from behind, head first into the boards.

To me that’s a huge difference.

Also, I find it difficult to believe anyone could call this “targeting” the head

.Hell, even “intent” isn’t the right word, because I still don’t think Sestito was doing anything but being stupid.

I don’t know…Sestito’s hit was retalitatory, wasn’t it?  That, in and of itself, can been seen as intent.

He’ll probably get the last two preseason games and two or three regular season games, and that should be that.

I’ll still be absolutely shocked if he gets that much.  There’s no comparison between a missed hit by Smith and the blatant disregard for safety in Sestito’s hit.  If he gets more than (or even close to) what Sestito got, then it’s BS.

Posted by Garth on 09/29/11 at 11:27 AM ET

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Intent isn’t required, his principle contact is the head and he doesn’t attempt to avoid the hit. Which is the defensive players obligation now. Ben Smith does attempt to aovid the hit and is still hit in the head. First timer I think he will get 2 games.

Posted by timbits on 09/29/11 at 11:28 AM ET

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Agree with Dan from Halifax.  This is a slippery slope Shanahan is heading down.  Look at how low Ben Smith was to the ice when he gets hit.  If Brendan Smith lets up to avoid the contact, Ben Smith has a breakaway.  Players are getting that false sense of security that they can try to undress defensemen, and not suffer the repercussions of a big hit.

Posted by wolverine from hockeyheaven on 09/29/11 at 11:36 AM ET

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Exactly Wolverine!  Eventually it’s going to come down to defensemen being afraid to take the body in open ice in fear of a suspension.  Sooner or later the league will be reduced to taking hitting out of the game all together.

Posted by Dan from Halifax on 09/29/11 at 11:48 AM ET

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If Brendan Smith lets up to avoid the contact, Ben Smith has a breakaway.

If the choice is between hitting him in the head or a breakaway, he gets a breakaway or you get suspended.

Posted by timbits on 09/29/11 at 12:01 PM ET

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Intent isn’t required, his principle contact is the head and he doesn’t attempt to avoid the hit.

OK, but you’re ignoring the part about targeting the head.  That’s where intent comes in.  Wisniewski targeted the head, Smith didn’t.

The two guys are about a foot and a half away from eachother when Ben Smith moves.  There’s no way Brendan Smith can avoid it.

Posted by Garth on 09/29/11 at 12:24 PM ET

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Intent isn’t required, his principle contact is the head and he doesn’t attempt to avoid the hit.

Oh, I know. But I think the Brendan Smith decision will show us the difference in what we can expect for punishments between a hit where there’s intent but no injury and one where there isn’t intent but there is injury.

Whether or not it was intentional likely isn’t going to factor into whether Brendan Smith is suspended, but it absolutely should factor into how long he is.

As far as the choice to continue on with the hit or allow a breakaway, steviesteve mentions it pretty well above that this is kind of a false choice because Brendan Smith made a mistake in deciding to go for that hit in the first place. Imagine all of an NHL defender’s options in that situation and all of the times you’ve seen anything similar. Most NHL-caliber defensemen don’t choose “line him up for a highlight reel check” there because it’s such a high risk maneuver. He could have just as easily nudged in to angle him harmlessly into the corner behind the net.  In fact, he could have MORE easily done that.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/29/11 at 12:31 PM ET

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If the choice is between hitting him in the head or a breakaway, he gets a breakaway or you get suspended.

That would make sense if was it ever Brendan’s intention to hit him in the head. The way it played out, I’m sure his evaluation was to either hit him in the shoulder (his obvious target) or let him have a breakaway. On the other hand, if Ben Smith doesn’t try the toe-drag, he gets knocked on his ass with a shoulder hit.

So, the bottom line seems to be that both players did what they were supposed to do – with an unexpectedly negative outcome. The refs gave Brendan a five and a game misconduct because that’s what they’re supposed to do when head hits happen these days.

Now it’s Shanny’s job to explain why this isn’t a suspendable offense. At least that’s what he should do. But it’ll take balls for him to do that (because Brendan is a member of Shanny’s former team). I guess we’ll find out later today how he and his team view this whole thing.

If Brendan does get suspended, and the suspension includes regular-season games, it raises the question of when that has to be served. Can he be sent down to G.R. now and serve it during the season when he’s recalled? Or does he have to stay on the roster until the suspension is served?

If it’s the latter, that means the Wings will have to expose either Emmerton or Brunnstrom to waivers in order to get down to the 23-man limit. Neither one would clear waivers, so this one hit could have a far greater impact than just having Smith sit out for a game or two.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 09/29/11 at 12:34 PM ET

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All very good points above. Regarding intent to injure, there was none.

Whatever happens, I’ll be satisfied. Don’t complain, don’t explain.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate-made in Detroit on 09/29/11 at 12:42 PM ET

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If Brendan does get suspended, and the suspension includes regular-season games, it raises the question of when that has to be served. Can he be sent down to G.R. now and serve it during the season when he’s recalled? Or does he have to stay on the roster until the suspension is served?

If it’s the latter, that means the Wings will have to expose either Emmerton or Brunnstrom to waivers in order to get down to the 23-man limit. Neither one would clear waivers, so this one hit could have a far greater impact than just having Smith sit out for a game or two.

OTC hits it on the head! The fascinating thing to consider here is the implications. Shanny will do what he will do, but you can bet Uncle Mike has had 15 meetings this morning trying to develop a plan in ANY scenario….this one incident might have HUGE implications for SEVERAL players’ careers. Crazy….

Posted by The Hurricane on 09/29/11 at 01:03 PM ET

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I guess Smith should have given Smith a free breakaway combined with a bouquet of flowers and a lollipop. The NHL is a joke and will become unwatchable as it becomes a trap league. When you can’t challenge an opponent without getting a massive suspension there will be no other option but to trap. Brendan Smith did have the angle and was forcing him to the outside when Smith decided he was going to cut in. The NHL is dying before our eyes.

Posted by Giver from Vancouver on 09/29/11 at 01:11 PM ET

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...you can bet Uncle Mike has had 15 meetings this morning trying to develop a plan in ANY scenario…

If Brendan is suspended by Brendan (how ironic), I’d say Plan #1 might go something like this: Kindl (or Commodore or Miller or whoever) plays in the final preseason game on Sunday and, in the final minute of play, “pulls a groin muscle” and has to go on short-term IR. That would buy the team seven days and let Smith serve his suspension.

As an organ-I-zation, I don’t think the Wings would normally pull something like this. But it sounds like Babs doesn’t think Smith’s hit was suspendable, so who knows.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 09/29/11 at 01:20 PM ET

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Sure, there might be *some* onus on the puck carrier when he makes a drag to the inside like that, but Brendan Smith definitely stuck his side out when he realized he got beat to try and get a piece of him. I don’t think he meant to hit his head, but that’s not the point. The point is he was beat on the play and so he made a reckless physical move to try and make up for it. I would expect he will get the Boyes treatment, being a first-time offender. It will be more about making him eligible as a repeat offender if he does it again than it will be anything else.

Posted by Nathan from wasting perfect passes from my teammates on 09/29/11 at 01:24 PM ET

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What baffles me is: people are thinking like the NHL already has set a pattern, a standard for disciplinary actions.

That pattern is still being formed, and the Smith-on-Smith will be the benchmark for that kind of hit (seemingly unintentional, caused mainly by the victim).

Posted by Herm from the office on 09/29/11 at 01:26 PM ET

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Any word on Ben Smith’s condition?

Anxious to hear if Smith will talk about the Smith on Smith hit before Brendan and Brendan have a chance to talk about the Smith hit on Smith or if Brendan and Smith will talk before Brendan tells Smith what Brendan will give Smith because of Smith’s hit on Smith.

Looking forward to the video….

Posted by The Hurricane on 09/29/11 at 01:28 PM ET

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Redolent.

Posted by The Hurricane on 09/29/11 at 01:30 PM ET

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Anxious to hear if Smith will talk about the Smith on Smith hit before Brendan and Brendan have a chance to talk about the Smith hit on Smith or if Brendan and Smith will talk before Brendan tells Smith what Brendan will give Smith because of Smith’s hit on Smith.

You just gave me a nosebleed.

Posted by Garth on 09/29/11 at 01:34 PM ET

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Redolent.
Posted by The Hurricane on 09/29/11 at 11:30 AM ET

+19

Posted by Denver Wings on 09/29/11 at 02:37 PM ET

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Very good and humorous discussion here. This will be a big test for Shanny… kinda like a no win situation. He’ll be accused of either favortism if the penalty is too light, and overcompensating if the penalty is too stiff. Bottom line, as much as I think Ben Smith shared some responsibility in the way the collision played out, Brendan Smith will get some type of suspension because the point of contact ended up being the head, however unintentional. Defensive players got it tough this year…they now have to have some sort of sixth sense on the puck handler’s action/non-action when a hit is being delivered

Posted by SandysWingingit on 09/29/11 at 03:38 PM ET

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10 games?! Easy, Rick Perry.

Loved this comment!

Posted by SandysWingingit on 09/29/11 at 03:42 PM ET

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If you get a chance, go to the Blackhawks website on on BHTV, Sean O’Donell, about half way through, speaks very well on the problem defensemen face in this situation.  He says, and I paraphrase,  ” the instinct is to make contact, the alternative is a breakaway.  We’re breaking this down frame by frame, that play happened in an instant.”  He wasn’t blaming Brendan Smith for what happened.  Hope the link works.
http://blackhawks.nhl.com/?navid=nav-teamnav-chi

Posted by wolverine from hockeyheaven on 09/29/11 at 07:16 PM ET

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I see this completely differently than I think a lot of people.  On the Fan960 in Calgary today, one of the opinions expressed was that cracking down on plays like this (and head shots in general) will produce a game without hits.  Many of the comments on here have been of the “what else was he supposed to do??” stripe.

I say nonsense.  This is a bad defensive play made by a bad defensive player.  He commits to an east/west direction too early and is standing up tall.  His feet are already done moving before Ben cuts to the inside.  Dead easy play for Ben to go inside.  Now Brendan’s momentum is completely in the wrong direction and he’s about to look like a pylon.

Everyone’s focussed on what his options are at THIS point, but no one’s talking about what his options were 3 seconds before the hit and before he made the WRONG choice to commit to a hard east/west body check in open ice, RATHER than continuing to back skate as he closed to the offensive player, keeping his center of gravity lower so that he could (a) change direction easier (wider stride/stance) and (b) is a bigger object to move around. 

He could have played it better, but he didn’t.  Given that he didn’t, his options were to…
(a)  do what he did.  BAD.
(b)  stick his leg out and take out Ben’s knee.  BAD.
(c)  throw his stick into Ben’s feet and suck up the 2 minute tripping penalty. 
(d)  be the pylon that Brendan Smith is and just get beat.

c and d are the correct options.  a and b need to be suspensions every time.

We forget that sometimes NHL players can display poor fundamentals because of their innate skill, speed, and size.  But this is a textbook example of how NOT to play an onrushing forward on the outside.

Posted by snoman321 on 09/29/11 at 08:43 PM ET

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Posted by snoman321 on 09/29/11 at 06:43 PM ET

OK, so you’ve proved he made a bad play.  Nobody’s going to argue that, but it’s a huge jump from “he made a bad decision” to “throw the book at him”.

Posted by Garth on 09/29/11 at 09:14 PM ET

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I’m still trying to figure out how this rookie is a pylon and will always be a pylon.

Posted by mrfluffy from the phone, calling Detroit, telling them it's on 09/29/11 at 09:17 PM ET

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Everyone’s focussed on what his options are at THIS point, but no one’s talking about what his options were 3 seconds before the hit

I already noted above that deciding at the blueline to go east-west on a breaking player when you’re the last man back is an idiotic, minor league play from an X and Os standpoint. That’s kind of a different point than whether the play should result in a suspension, though.

Posted by steviesteve on 09/29/11 at 09:38 PM ET

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That pattern is still being formed, and the Smith-on-Smith will be the benchmark for that kind of hit (seemingly unintentional, caused mainly by the victim).

I know, I hate it when a player tries to get a breakaway… shameful!

Posted by timbits on 09/30/11 at 12:07 AM ET

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I know, I hate it when a player tries to get a breakaway… shameful!

Posted by timbits on 09/29/11 at 10:07 PM ET

Yeah and what did that D-man think he was doing trying to stop him?  Ridiculous.

Posted by Sal from the shadow of the Great Smoky Mountains on 09/30/11 at 01:26 AM ET

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This is a bad defensive play made by a bad defensive player.

And you know Brendan Smith’s abilities so well that you can catagorically classify him as a “bad defensive player”? Too bad Ken Holland didn’t have you on staff when they drafted Brendan. Could have saved the organ-I-zation a whole lot of time and money.

Where are these geniuses when teams really need them?  tongue rolleye

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 09/30/11 at 01:34 AM ET

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