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Looking At Crosby And Ovechkin

from Eric Duhatschek of the Glob and Mail,

...the annual deliberation between who might be the league’s dominant player, Alex Ovechkin or Sidney Crosby, seems even more heavily tilted in favour of the latter at the moment.

It isn’t just because Crosby is captain of the defending champions, or the player that scored the winning goal in overtime to clinch gold for Canada in the 2010 Olympics. Those are compelling arguments on his side of the ledger.

But Crosby is also the first of the two archrivals to understand that greatness cannot be a singular pursuit in a team sport; and what ultimately forges a player’s legacy is his ability to channel his own personal skills into larger team successes.

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Primis's avatar

So it’s Ovechkin’s fault that his defensemen suck?

When did Ovechkin get the title “Coach” or “GM”?

Give the Caps actual defensemen and they’d be a really, really good team.  The end.

Posted by Primis on 04/30/10 at 01:27 PM ET

Nate A's avatar

I think OV has a slightly higher talent level. But this quote sums it up:

Crosby is also the first of the two archrivals to understand that greatness cannot be a singular pursuit in a team sport

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 04/30/10 at 01:40 PM ET


Even with a couple good defensemen, the Caps won’t win until Boudreau is gone.  He’s an average coach who, seemingly, makes very little in game adjustments.  His line matching is poor at best.  He’ll blow his top off of a routine offsides call.  Regardless, I don’t know if the right type of defensemen help them win this series.  Maybe Green isn’t on the ice for mistakes at key times.  But those dmen still wouldn’t have been able to get pucks by Halak.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 04/30/10 at 01:42 PM ET

Moq's avatar

There’s no doubt to me that Crosby is a couple of years ahead in understanding what it takes to win, and - not the least - find areas of his game to improve that ultimately benefits the team. I think Ovechkin can do the same and adapt his style to a more complete team game without sacrificing his offensive qualities, but he may need some well-intended guidance to accomplish that.

Posted by Moq from Denmark on 04/30/10 at 01:50 PM ET

Osrt's avatar

Posted by pens fan in baltimore

Agreed. Firing Boudreau is the first step.

The Caps look like the Wings of 92-93.

I think Ovechkin can do the same and adapt his style to a more complete team game without sacrificing his offensive qualities, but he may need some well-intended guidance to accomplish that.

Posted by Moq


I’m agreeing with Pens fans. It’s the end of days people.

Posted by Osrt on 04/30/10 at 01:59 PM ET

Leo_Racicot's avatar

How many more articles are going to be re-tread by various sports information mediums around the US and Canada on this effing topic?

Tell me you all aren’t thinking the same “talking points” that you concluded three years ago on the PASS chat board? 

Surely there are more engrossing discussions in the world of the NHL that our collective brainpower and typing skills could be applied toward.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 04/30/10 at 02:53 PM ET

Greg's avatar

However, as long as Ovechkin has an Owner, GM and Coach afraid of him and enabling his behavior, things wont get much better.  If the rest of the team have one set of rules, and OV has another, do you think they’ll ever respect the management or follow OV?

They say he doesn’t have to change the way he plays, that he’s not reckless, not dangerous while some of his team have even come out and said he has to tone a few things down.  He takes a minute and a half long shifts, disrupts the flow for the rest of the team, and doesn’t trust his 2nd PP unit enough to come off.  So it’s going to take a coach to pull him off, or a teammate to stand up and voice what the rest are no doubt thinking.

Posted by Greg on 04/30/10 at 03:45 PM ET


this TIRED argument and the journalistic/web attention it gets is just garbage. it just reeks of agenda more than anything else. “one player understands this and the other doesnt.”

yeah, thanks for generating Legend in your “Objective realm of journalism”.

take your own advice and get over the NBA type “super star” archetype battles. talk about hockey as a full and free flowing matrix of players instead two. and if youre even going to attempt it, you better talk about players relationally within their teams. this isnt a vacuum where you can separate CROSBY/OVECHKIN from the ALL the other players, systems and their own actions with those things.

if youre going to try to be “Smart” you better bring better garbage than this instead of proto-patriotic fan boy crap.

Posted by Death Metal Nightmare from MKE on 04/30/10 at 04:24 PM ET


Even with a couple good defensemen, the Caps won’t win

???? But It did helped the pens to win stanley cup last wasnt malkin or was their’s good D-men and goaile who won the cup for them

Posted by magair on 04/30/10 at 05:28 PM ET

UMFan's avatar

Man alive, a writer who actually mentions the team concept in the same article when comparing Crosby and AO. Who would have thunk it. I happen to agree. Crosby seems to have a better grasp of the whole team is bigger than me philosphy. AO just isn’t there yet.

Posted by UMFan from Denver, Colorado on 04/30/10 at 06:11 PM ET


Posted by magair on 04/30/10 at 03:28 PM ET

The Penguins also had a competent coach, which was the entire point of my post.  I also didn’t realize that the Penguins automatically got to the Cup Finals without playing any other rounds.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 04/30/10 at 06:15 PM ET


ovie has a better overall skillset than crosby.  maybe not the vision.

but i think the pens did a much much much better job managing crosby and grooming him into his role today.  people get off on talking about crosby living in lemieux’s basement, while ignoring the fact that he owns his own home in NS and the fact that living at lemieux’s gives him the best security he’s going to get in pittsburgh.  but the thing about that is hes lived with a 2 time champ and one of the greatest players ever to lace em up for 5 years now.  he knows what it takes to win.  then the pens went out and brought in guys like recchi, guerin, roberts, vets that had been to the top and knew what you had to do to win.  i think a real turning point was bringing in roberts.  a lot of accounts say he really put the fear of god into those young guys.

a lot of guys can go out and play and whatever.  but theres a second gear you have to find that takes a lot of mental preparation that not everyone can or is willing to do.  the pens really made a point to build a team with those principles from the time they grabbed those gunners.  they brought in a disciplinarian in Therrien to break them in army style, and then brought Bylsma in for the X’s and O’s. 

the caps to me have always appeared to be a team that thinks they just deserve the cup because they have a bunch of lamplighters.  leonsis exudes that attitude.  but then again, he’s not a hockey guy.  that’s the difference in the teams.  one is owned by Mario Freaking Lemieux and the other is owned by Mario of Super Mario Bros. they’re faith in Boudreau is unreal.  he refused to adjust anything and had no plan against the habs.

Posted by bloomquist from north on 05/01/10 at 01:30 AM ET

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