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Trading For Jack Eichel Or Seth Jones

Max Bultman of the Athletic answers some fan mail,

For Eichel, one of the league’s top scorers under contract for five more years, the cost would be immense. It could mean a deal headlined by Lucas Raymond or Filip Zadina, the No. 6 pick this year, plus either another current top-six NHL forward or another high draft pick or top prospect.

It’s possible Eichel’s neck injury changes that price a bit, but the safe assumption is that Buffalo will be able to command a mint for a 24-year-old right-shot center who has been near or above a point per game for five seasons.

And if that is the price range, it probably doesn’t make sense for the Red Wings to be a major player in those talks. It’s always worth checking in, but that kind of package would be so costly, with so many of the pieces Detroit is counting on in its rebuild, that the Red Wings may not end up being significantly better off than Buffalo is right now. Eichel is a great player, but Detroit still needs so much more....

Columbus would be effectively starting a rebuild if it traded Jones, which means they’d surely want tone-setting value for their No. 1 defenseman. But while Jones is a highly respected blueliner — he earned Norris votes in the four seasons preceding the most recent one (2021 voting has not yet been announced) — exactly where he fits among the league’s top defensemen is up for some debate. His shot share and quality numbers were down in a big way last season on a bad Columbus team.

The team context matters in that, no doubt. But it certainly doesn’t make it easy for an acquiring team to justify giving up premium value, especially if that team would then need to turn around and sign Jones to a huge extension. It just doesn’t look like a good fit for the Red Wings.

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WingedRider's avatar

Don’t even think about Eichel, he is a cancer to any team.  Just keep rebuilding.

“Eichel is a great player,”  I must have missed that season?

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 06/14/21 at 09:49 AM ET

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A big hell no on Eichel. Let someone else overpay for his services. While Larkin’s skills may be inferior to Eichel’s I’d much rather have a player with Larkin’s attitude and drive.

Jones is a different player but since the price would probably include Seider, I don’t think it would make sense for the Wings. Seider has a the chance to be as good as Jones and will be playing for much cheaper for the next few years. If they could do it with picks and some non-Seider players it is worth considering. Jones would need agreement on extension prior to any deal though.

Posted by evileye on 06/14/21 at 10:08 AM ET

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Are there any disgruntle young elites (potential) who have asked for a trade and then went on to have a killer career?

The most recent that comes to mind is Matt Duchene and that didn’t pan out well.

Posted by Jdunc from Flint, MI on 06/14/21 at 11:51 AM ET

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No thank you sir!

The playoffs show us time and time again (even though we forget time and time again) it takes at least three good lines, good goaltending, and some snarl to win in the post season, trading for an elite player who is already on his pro contract would cost the team too much in terms of other surrounding pieces and in the cap department to make it worthwhile.  Then consider its Eichel, the neck issue, the possibility that he’s not a strong mental performer, etc. etc.

I would sign Johns to a fat contract if he were a free agent, but along the same lines above, I would not trade the pieces needed.  Another team that is much closer to win now will give up future for him in my opinion.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerHolland2.0's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 06/14/21 at 12:03 PM ET

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Are there any disgruntle young elites (potential) who have asked for a trade and then went on to have a killer career?/quote]

Eric Lindros?

Patrick Roy? (admittedly not that young when traded)

John Elway?

Posted by evileye on 06/14/21 at 12:09 PM ET

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Eichel = no.
SJones = no.

However, I would certainly perk up if the Sabres are also shopping Sam Reinhart.  In the games that I saw him play, he is the defensive forward matched up against the other teams’ best line.  And he was gooood.  On top of that, he isn’t shy about the physical game neither.  However, his shot needs work and the Wings need scorers.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 06/14/21 at 01:33 PM ET

damndog revenge   From the bowels of Detroit's avatar

NO THANKS.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 06/14/21 at 02:56 PM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

...It’s possible Eichel’s neck injury changes that price a bit…

And so does his $10M price tag for the next five years. In a flat cap world, the Sabres are going to have to lower their demands (maybe even drastically) in order to find a team willing to take that on.

As for Jones, wait until next summer and make him an offer if (1) he’s not signed by the BJs and (2) Yzerman feels the Wings are within a year or so of being competitive again.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/14/21 at 03:08 PM ET

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As for Jones, wait until next summer and make him an offer

Or can just make the same type of offer to Hamilton this summer

Posted by VPalmer on 06/14/21 at 04:33 PM ET

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I thought I read somewhere yesterday, that the Sabres did not endorse the specific surgery her was having, and it was not widely accepted in the league.  Because of this coupled with his contract, the price was going to have to be much lower, and to a team that did support the specific surgery he needed.  I thought I had read it on TSN, I will see if I can’t find it.  Anyone else read this?  Either way, I would say no to either of these, the cost would be too high, and the wings are not one player away from winning at this point.

Posted by murph1jj on 06/14/21 at 04:34 PM ET

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I got you, murph.  Eichel’s Artificial Disk Replacement.

Apparently, it is an unusual procedure for an athlete in a high impact game.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 06/14/21 at 04:37 PM ET

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Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 06/14/21 at 04:37 PM ET

Thank you

Posted by murph1jj on 06/14/21 at 04:39 PM ET

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Eichel for Jones straight up?  Seems like it may be on par with Hall for Larsson.

Posted by maltby18 on 06/14/21 at 04:39 PM ET

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Thank you

Posted by murph1jj on 06/14/21 at 04:39 PM ET

No problem.  Eichel’s insistence on this kind of surgery immediately made me think of Yzerman’s unusual knee osteotomy procedure to realign his knee to ease the pain on a weight-bearing joint.  It was a procedure usually done for retirees who just want a relatively pain-free mobility experience.  The Wings fully supported the procedure.

However, here we’re talking about a completely different part of the human body that involves the spinal cord and that’s where the comparison should stop.  I can understand the Pegulas wanting a different opinion and that’s their right.  It seems to me the fight is about which procedure is the right procedure and who’s going to pay for it.  Either procedure is high-risk, of course, but the rehab time for either procedure is probably a sore point.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 06/14/21 at 05:10 PM ET

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Neither makes sense in a trade really at all.
I doubt Buffalo wants spare parts or less important but solid prospects
and the lower of our high picks.

And Eichel seems a real question in terms of health and chemistry as a leader who is used to demanding he get his way.

Jones is a very good top-pairing D who can do a lot of things very effectively.
But I’m sure he has a select few destinations in mind, either to steer where he’s headed in a trade (places he’s willing to re-sign which would increase the return) or places he’ll sign in UFA if he doesn’t get traded to a place he likes enough.

Both Jones and Hamilton are good enough and young enough I’d be interested in them as UFAs for a same price, if they get there.

Posted by lefty.30 on 06/14/21 at 07:39 PM ET

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Im shocked at this. 
I wouldn’t do it because I think the price will be too high… but there aren’t really any prospects we have that will be as good as Eichel.  Best player usually wins the trade.  Jones.. that’s tougher.  It really depends on our window and what the price would be.  I think we need to be in a closer to contending situation to do a deal like that… sort of like the Rangers right now potentially

Eichel is an outstanding talent.  Sure, maybe questions about his character, but that could be a result of Buffalo and the sh*tshow that is.  We don’t have enough top tier prospects to sacrifice some for Eichel, if we did, I’d do it in a hearbeat.  He’s a legit 1C, which we still do not have.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 06/15/21 at 01:13 PM ET

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