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The Wings Have Money To Make Moves, Will They?

from Kevin Allen of Detroit Hockey Now,

The Los Angeles Kings had extra cap space because Dustin Brown retired. They made a deal to land Kevin Fiala from the Minnesota Wild. The Nashville Predators owned more than $20 million in cap space and used some of it to land veteran defenseman Ryan McDonagh. Will the Detroit Red Wings make the next big trade?

The Red Wings, according to CapFriendly.com, presently own more than $35, 771,111 million in salary cap space. Only GM Pat Verbeek’s Anaheim Ducks have more. They are in a position to do what the Kings and Predators did.

A handful of teams, including the Edmonton Oilers, Vegas Golden Knights and Toronto Maple Leafs, are looking to move a player or two to create cap space for their team.

The Red Wings also are in a favorable salary cap position to bid on top free agents. However, free agents won’t be lining up to come to a team that has missed the playoffs six consecutive season.

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No, and they probably shouldn’t for anther season or two. If they can show enough potential, ufas will want to come and it won’t take as much money to lure them to Detroit.

Posted by TreKronor on 07/05/22 at 10:22 AM ET

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For sure, I’m guessing they get at least one LHD via trade, probably capitalizing on Vegas or another team that’s pressed up to the cap with lots of holes to fill.

Posted by GMoney on 07/05/22 at 10:24 AM ET

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Difficult to discuss trades until we know who we are getting and who we are giving up. As to free agents, obviously it would be fun to get Gudreau or Forsberg, but I do not see it happening for multiple reasons.
The next group involves guys like Trochek and Copp and although they will make us maybe 10% better, I do not think that’s enough to commit 5-6 years and $5-6 mil to 28 year olds slightly above average centers.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/05/22 at 10:42 AM ET

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As much as I would like the team to collect assets and be bad for one more year so they have a shot at Bedard, I think it’s time to take another step towards being competitive.

Im not expecting a big trade or fa signing but I think a couple players will be acquired to make the team better. I think to acquire a LH dman you would have to do it via trade, there’s just not really any quality ufas available. And I think SY will look to add another RH top 6 forward

Posted by SauceBoss on 07/05/22 at 12:19 PM ET

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I do not think there is a possibility for us to be so bad next year that we will have a good chance at Bedard.
We will have to trade Bert, Larkin and Seider to finish last and history shows even that will not give us a guarantee at #1 pick. And if the plan was to finish last, Blashill would still be here.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/05/22 at 12:34 PM ET

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SY should make a move via trade or FA and there is no excuse.  We have plenty of cap space and as Gmoney stated, cap-space opportunities. 

DRW need a bonafide 2C and the offense will be respectable:  Bert/Larks/Ray and Berg/2C/Vrana.   

A top-4 LD with the remainder of improvements via prospects…and coaching.
L1:  FREE AGENT-Mo and L2: Edvinsson-TRADE (Hronek). 

Then a competent backup Goalie. 

Bottom line:  that’s 15-20M/year for 3 good pieces.  That works for cap space in short and long term. 

DRW has an excess of good 3rd and 4th line forwards.  They could trade Suter & Zadina if necessary. 

If Edvinsson can handle PP2 duty, Hronek can be traded for a defenseman that plays defense.  Many teams may want his offense.   

Posted by Gshaw722 on 07/05/22 at 12:53 PM ET

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Former asst. coach Doug Houda will be in the same position with the NYI this season.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/05/22 at 01:06 PM ET

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Posted by VPalmer on 07/05/22 at 12:34 PM ET


Keyword “chance” at Bedard, albeit a very amall one due to said reasons.


If SY doesn’t improve the roster then there’s no reason to believe that they will be better than they were this year. Especially if the defense isn’t addressed. Seider cant do everything. Having Vrana for a full season and the possibility of Berggren and Edvinsson making the team won’t change much either if they cant play team defense and get outshot and hemmed in their own zone all game(the only teams i can remember the wings truly outplaying last season were PHI and NJ). Also throw in a new coach and whole new system that everyone must learn and figure out.


So that’s why I think it would be better take that next step and acquire a couple solid players to bolster the lineup and be more competitive

Posted by SauceBoss on 07/05/22 at 02:14 PM ET

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Here’s some random thoughts I have about this off-season:

-the FA market sucks for our 2 biggest needs (top-4 LH d-man, #2, more realistically #1 center)

-Yzerman won’t/shouldn’t offer money and term to any FA who’ll be well on the wrong side of 30yo once we’re legit

-can Dunn be had from Seattle…or what about Sanheim in Philly…or espcecially Dunn??

-Montreal is loaded with picks…I’ve got no problem taking the Petry contract for a few of them. Seider/Hronek/Petry as your right shot regulars ain’t bad. For that matter I’d be talking to Vegas, Tampa, Florida, Edmonton and Toronto about returns for taking on salary.

-Trade Bertuzzi now. His stock will never be higher and there are at least half a dozen teams in “win now” mode who would LOVE to have him. I love the guy as a player but the time is right to capitalize on his value, rather than long-term him for our next long playoff run when he’s in his mid 30’s

-If any of Zadina/Rasmussen/Hronek can be used as part of a package to address our needs I’m all for it

-bringing Staal back on a one-year deal for a couple mil probably isn’t a bad idea

-short of a few trades (which I do think Yzerman will be involved in) this off season probably won’t be drastically different from the past few: a couple short-term deals to reliable, if unspectacular, veterans to remain competitive and help younger development.

Posted by godblender on 07/05/22 at 02:16 PM ET

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Maybe he can nab the corpse of Bobby Ryan again

Posted by ilovehomers on 07/05/22 at 03:11 PM ET

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Posted by godblender on 07/05/22 at 02:16 PM ET

The time to get Dunn was before last year’s expansion draft. I don’t think Seattle wants to part with him. I begged for it last year, but SY choose Leddy instead. I doubt the season in Seattle he just had changes his mind.

I share your belief on ‘lil Bert, but I would add that contract issues will go a long way to decide this issue. Management has had real trouble when it comes to negotiating with his agent. If that is the case this summer: they almost have to move him. Given the history I can’t but be realistic that this will be the issue that causes a trade. I whole-heartedly agree that this needs to be done this summer (to prevent an injury) rather than wait for the trade deadline if it is getting done.

Posted by GMoney on 07/05/22 at 10:24 AM ET

I would add to the Vegas point and throw out the name Shea Theodore, turns 27 in early Aug, and is a LHD that has a cap hit of $5.2M and in his last year where he has no say in any trade before a limited NTC kicks in. It would not be a cap dump and would cost the Wings assets. Likely a decent amount of assets.

If Vegas was looking to move salary out and not want much back the name is Alec Martinez, a Rochester Hills native who played at Stoney Creek High School. So maybe you can get him to waive the MNTC (if the Wings are on it). He’s got a 5.25M cap hit the next two seasons.

Posted by SauceBoss on 07/05/22 at 12:19 PM ET

The one you hope for is Nikita Zadorov, but I don’t see him coming here. He’s 6’6” and plays like it (the physicality part—not the lack of mobility). He’s primarily a defensive defender—but has been caught trying to chip in and getting burned for it on more than one occasion.

Olli Maatta is the guy I target if he makes it to free agency. But he’s a 2nd pair LHD at best and if Edvinsson makes the team then Maatta would be the 3rd pair guy. He’d certainly be an upgrade from Walman or even Oesterle. He’s a defensive defender—something the Wings lack.

Will Butcher LHD who showed flashes his rookie year with the Devils but has struggled since and was traded to the Sabres last year. He’ll be 28 in Jan though.

I don’t see the Wings being able to get anyone else on the LHD UFA market.. and they’d probably have to overpay for those 3….so I feel it’s gotta be a trade.
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SY has got to be able to make some moves and weaponize that cap space. Throw an offer sheet for Kaapo Kakko, the healthy scratch in the playoffs, or Rasmus Sandin, that the Leafs with their other 3 LHD, can’t match. Make it for a 2nd round pick.

...but please don’t do the get a vet for 2 years as a further mentor type route: aka the Michal Kempny route.

...because I don’t care how much offense Vrana for a full year + Berggren provide: the defense will continue to hang Nedeljkovic out to dry and the games will be as unwatchable as they were in the second half.

BUT, something tells me SY was mad about the lack of compete in the 2nd half and will be making major changes to do something about it.

Posted by d ca on 07/05/22 at 03:30 PM ET

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Story out of the SHL was that Edvinsson competed to the end of the losing end of a 0-10 rout or something like that.  He played like he was pissed they were losing by that big of a margin.  Kid didn’t quit until the final horn.

Kid’s a gamer and he cannot get here soon enough…though, I think he’s gonna get his one (or one half) of seasoning in the AHL.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 07/05/22 at 04:27 PM ET

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D ca

I mentioned Nikita Sergeyevich Zadorov a while back. I think he is perfect fit to add solid D to the Wings backend. He is very good at clearing the crease and hits like a wrecking ball (the hit on Glendening in playoffs he should have been suspended). He will be a great deterrent for keeping the flies off the Wings players. You will only get 15-20 points/year from him but he will slow down the opposition to counter that.

 

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 07/05/22 at 06:38 PM ET

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Gshaw and Gmoney

Are you two related?

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 07/05/22 at 06:46 PM ET

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Signing a player for big money seems like a dumb move at this point. Wait until Larkin and any other contracts of players they want to lock in for a few years are signed or you risk any contract extensions becoming inflated.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 07/06/22 at 11:20 AM ET

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