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Nick Lidstrom On The Coaching Search

from Bob Duff of Detroit Hockey Now,

Detroit Red Wings GM Steve Yzerman is promising to leave no stone unturned in his search for the next coach of the team. They will be taking all qualified applicants under consideration.

Evidently, they are preparing to span the globe in pursuit of the next bench boss. Red Wings vice-president of hockey operations Nicklas Lidstrom offered indications that European coaches will be in the mix for the position.

Swedish coaches Rikard Grönborg of Swiss club Zurirch and Roger Rönnberg of Frölunda have been mentioned in speculation regarding the Detroit job. Canadian Cam Abbott, who coaches Rögle in Sweden, is another who has been connected to Red Wings coaching rumors.

“We will try to find the coach who is best suited for the Red Wings’ development going forward and who can help us get better,” Lidstrom explained to Swedish media site Aftonbladet.se. “Then we will see where that coach comes from.”...

“The process has not really started for us yet with candidates for a new coach for Red Wings,” Lidstrom said. “I do not really have any comments about the name of the coach yet. There will of course be a lot of speculation on possible candidates.”

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Chet's avatar

I’ll do it, shut the search down, you have your man..

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 05/10/22 at 07:35 AM ET

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A “global search” for our next coach really is the best approach. I’m not really enthused about any of the options in the NHL that’s available.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 05/10/22 at 08:31 AM ET

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A “global search” for our next coach really is the best approach. I’m not really enthused about any of the options in the NHL that’s available.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 05/10/22 at 08:31 AM ET


I’m in agreement on this also. There may be one or two exceptions, but, same old, same old……

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 05/10/22 at 09:16 AM ET

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Per Alan:

re: “I’m not really enthused about any of the options in the NHL that’s available.”

gotta like what Trotz brings to the table..

Posted by rickytarr on 05/10/22 at 09:26 AM ET

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Trotz hockey wins games but is less fun to watch, playoff structure all year long.

I think Blashill let his coaching career end up in the Wings rebuild culdesac. I don’t see Trotz letting that happen.  SY knows that he’s a while out or he would never have continued to play footsie with Blashill.

Our next coach is going to have a tough row to hoe and is probably set up to fail relative to expectations.  He or she will be someone like the young Blashill, emergent coaching talent trying to break through.

I don’t see Trotz choosing the wings even if the Organization chases him, but I’d take him in a heartbeat if he could be bought.

Posted by Ventr on 05/10/22 at 10:13 AM ET

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European coaches will be in the mix for the position….
Swedish coaches Rikard Grönborg of Swiss club Zurirch and Roger Rönnberg of Frölunda have been mentioned in speculation regarding the Detroit job.

If we thought “Process” was bad under Blash, this would be a whole other level.  These western European coaches take process to a whole other level.  It works when you have the right roster for it; I’m not convinced Blash ever had the right roster but that should change shortly.

Posted by TreKronor on 05/10/22 at 10:32 AM ET

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Posted by rickytarr on 05/10/22 at 09:26 AM ET

Trotz brings a style of winning hockey for teams that are already on the cusp. He doesn’t bring anything that would help drag us out of the basement now, and he certainly doesn’t bring a love for young players, as history shows us that he very much prefers vets. He’d be a good option for now only if Stevie was looking to win now.

Stevie doesn’t want to just win now, though. He wants to win long-term. He wants a new dynasty, and I think that’s something every Wings fan wants.

So no… hard pass on Trotz. He’s a great coach, without a doubt, but he’s not right for us at this time.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 05/10/22 at 10:45 AM ET

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Trotz brings a style of winning hockey for teams that are already on the cusp. He doesn’t bring anything that would help drag us out of the basement now, and he certainly doesn’t bring a love for young players, as history shows us that he very much prefers vets. He’d be a good option for now only if Stevie was looking to win now.

Let me disagree with a lot of this. Nashville was never on the cusp, their roster was below average and they always overachieved under Trotz. Islanders roster is average and he got them to ECF twice losing to the Cup winner. Capitals yes were on the cusp and he put them over the top. So it seems Trotz is a good coach for any roster. Regarding preferring vets I do not think this is an issue for our team. It’s not like we have a bunch of Abbys and Helms to give 20 minutes per night. Who are our vets? Gagner and Staal? And both of them are UFAs.  And “does not bring a love for young players” is a pure speculation. I guess he is very demanding of young players like any old school coach, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Is there an example of him killing a young player who left his system and became a star? I don’t think so.
Imo if Trotz is interested in the job, he should be hired tomorrow.

Posted by VPalmer on 05/10/22 at 11:20 AM ET

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killing a young player who left his system and became a star?

The immediate example will be Vrana.

 

Posted by ilovehomers on 05/10/22 at 11:40 AM ET

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Imo if Trotz is interested in the job, he should be hired tomorrow.

Posted by VPalmer on 05/10/22 at 11:20 AM ET

I agree but don’t see why he’d be interested. Plus, the Wings announcing a global search for a coach makes me think we’re going to see someone chosen from outside the usual suspects.

Posted by calquake from Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst on 05/10/22 at 11:42 AM ET

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The immediate example will be Vrana.

Yes, but did Trotz kill him or he was just too down on the depth chart in Washington?
And I would not call Vrana a star yet. Let’s see him scoring 40 goals next year before considering him a star.

Posted by VPalmer on 05/10/22 at 12:03 PM ET

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Will a coach from Europe be able to adjust their game plan to work on NA ice? I would think there would be an adjustment period.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 05/10/22 at 01:26 PM ET

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Posted by Chet

That’s an interesting idea (Nick as coach), and I’m not entirely against it, but one thing I’ve read about star players becoming coaches is, for the super high end talent (Nick, Gretz, Larry Byrd, etc), the basics of the game come relatively easy, so things like good passing and accurate shooting are second nature to them, which allows them to excel in finer points of the game. Which may make it hard to teach that basic stuff that has always come so naturally.

Posted by Steeb on 05/10/22 at 01:31 PM ET

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slightly off topic..

per VP,

re: “And I would not call Vrana a star yet. Let’s see him scoring 40 goals next year before considering him a star.”

thinking it’s obvious, even with the abbreviated sample so far, he’s gold.

SY just needs to procure some serious muscle to keep him healthy.

Posted by rickytarr on 05/10/22 at 01:51 PM ET

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It will also be interesting how much the new coach
values physical play.

The game has of course changed a lot but even
TPH spoke occasionally toward the end of his career in favor of having some
toughness. You don’t have to be Calgary or Nashville, but
there’s a benefit to being both “hard to play against” and to have a couple players who help prevent stars from having to defend themselves.

Elliotte Friedman for what it’s worth mentioned quite a list of teams that might be interested in Trotz and ones which might appeal to him. And I didn’t hear the Wings come up. Actually, if Trotz is not interested or is not a top candidate and the Isles want to keep Lambert, Trotz becoming available could actually mean one fewer candidate for the Wings, not one more.

One of the many amazing things about Nicklas Lidstrom:
he was such a systematic thinker and so committed, he actually
analyzed exactly which plays and techniques were empirically, objectively,
most effective the highest proportion of the time. Not that he’s going to become coach, but imagine having him available to take a young defender aside and say, in our system, when forecheckers do X, try doing Y or then Z. You can’t teach vision, anticipation, and creativity like Gretzky had. But you can teach tactics and techniques to give defenders the best chance of success in various situations.

Between Yzerman and Lidstrom, it’s hard not to be optimistic they’ll find the right personality, tactician, and teacher.

Posted by lefty.30 on 05/10/22 at 02:21 PM ET

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It will also be interesting how much the new coach
values physical play.

I believe the coach has to coach the team he has instead of a team he has in his coaching dreams. The style has to fit the roster capabilities otherwise it will be putting square pegs into round holes. And of course coaching philosophy and GM philosophy have to be aligned. If you are making a team based on skill and speed and passing, you cannot hire a coach who is prioritizes physical play and dump and chase.

Posted by VPalmer on 05/10/22 at 04:51 PM ET

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What did he say?

Posted by VPalmer on 05/10/22 at 06:11 PM ET

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