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If They Re-Sign With The Wings

from Kevin Allen of DetroitHockeyNow,

Here  are projections for what the salary cap hit would be for other players the Red Wings might re-sign:

Goalie Jonathan Bernier: $3.5 million on a two-year deal.

Right wing  Bobby Ryan: $1.175 million on a one-year deal

Center Sam Gagner: $900,000

Defenseman Marc Staal: $2.3 million.

read on for more hockey talk and Kevin Allen has Glendening projected at $2M...

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All those numbers could easily fit in Detroit’s salary structure but it is certainly questionable whether the player is a good fit, at this point.

I prefer Ryan OR Gagner, not both and my preference is Gagner. However, I wouldn’t rush to sign either one. Priority should be to upgrade the position through trade/free agency and make sure there are open spots for young players who are ready (no need to be overripe).

Bernier would give them more time to develop/find a future goalie and creates a solid backstop while the rest of the team grows.

Staal - I like bringing him back but $$$ and term must be a fit. I like the idea of pairing him with Seider. Of course if they could find an upgrade that makes sense, do it. I think this position should be the highest priorities.

Glendening is tricky - I’d be a bit surprised if he can’t find $2M on the open market and it will probably come down to whether or not he wants a change. No way should the Wings get in a bidding war for his services.

Thankfully Helm wasn’t brought up. I think the Wings need to move on from him. They already overpaid for him once. He’s a serviceable player but they have young guys who need to fill that role.

At a minimum there has to be roster spots available for a couple of upgrades and more playing time for youth. The last thing they need is some old-timer blocking Smith on the 4th line or Raymond/Berggren if they show NHL readiness sooner rather than later.

Posted by evileye on 06/18/21 at 10:21 AM ET

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I agree with not signing or having too many veterans, but Yzerman shows he hasn’t fallen too far from the Holland tree in that regard.

Posted by RWBill on 06/18/21 at 11:40 AM ET

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Glenny at $2M is a steal.  His peripheral stats and energy are hard to match by anyone in the league at that number.

I’d like to see Ryan get another shot, we only got a glimpse of what he could do before his injury.

Goalies like Driedger will be on the market - if we could lock him up to a long-term deal I think that would make sense for us.  Otherwise keep Bernier.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Somewhere West of Detroit on 06/18/21 at 12:08 PM ET

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Why?????????  I don’t get it, I just don’t why we would sign any of these guys, before you see what other teams are desperate to do to get under the cap and retain their RFA players?

And even with our own guys, if we sign Glenny, which I’m in favor of, signing any other forward pushes Givani Smith or Veleno to the minors again, assuming they don’t keep them up to sit them. And if gives nobody o/s of Seider a shot to make the roster.

Here’s what I see, and I assume we lose Stecher to Seattle, but if not, he replaces one of the other Dmen.  I just listed them, no lines or stack rank or anything, what/who am I missing?

Forward
1 Larkin
2 Fabbri
3 Bert
4 Vrena
5 Ras
6 Zadina
7 Namestnikov
8 Panik
9 Ernie
10 Veleno (he belongs now)
11 Glenny (assuming he comes back)
12 Givani Smith (he also belongs now)
13 Open (Bench role)
14 Neilson (benched)

X Svechnikov (I’m unsure he even gets qualified and if so, he’s waived)

Defense
1 Hronek
2 DDK
3 Seider
4 Open (Staal we do need someone to mentor Seider)
5 Cholo
6 Lindstrom
7 Open

Goal
1 Bernier
2 Greiss

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerHolland2.0's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 06/18/21 at 01:23 PM ET

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CapFriendly has made the change to summer mode for all teams except for the last four still standing.  Here is the Wings page.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/18/21 at 01:31 PM ET

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Why?????????  I don’t get it, I just don’t why we would sign any of these guys, before you see what other teams are desperate to do to get under the cap and retain their RFA players?
And even with our own guys, if we sign Glenny, which I’m in favor of…
...I assume we lose Stecher to Seattle…
Forward 1 Larkin 2 Fabbri 3 Bert 4 Vrena 5 Ras 6 Zadina 7 Namestnikov 8 Panik 9 Ernie 10 Veleno (he belongs now) 11 Glenny (assuming he comes back) 12 Givani Smith (he also belongs now) 13 Open (Bench role)14 Neilson (benched) X Svechnikov (I’m unsure he even gets qualified and if so, he’s waived)
Defense 1 Hronek 2 DDK 3 Seider 4 Open (Staal we do need someone to mentor Seider) 5 Cholo 6 Lindstrom 7 Open
Goal 1 Bernier 2 Greiss
Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerHolland2.0’s pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 06/18/21 at 01:23 PM ET

Agreed on almost everything.

But my issue is: why do the Wings want that team above when they have the cap space and flat cap timing to significantly improve? You have cap space and draft capital in a summer where deals will need to be made or players lost for nothing (both UFA and expansion guys). Don’t just limit it to the UFA/RFA’s some guys need to be moved out of the current roster or ones on the open market. I mean Pánik’s fine but isn’t he more valuable to trade and eat 1/2 his remaining salary to a contender? Then thanks, but buh-bye

And if you are going to expose Stecher: why not trade him to a team like Carolina that will be potentially exposing better d-men? Package him and a pick and see about getting their exposed d-man: Skjei or Bean. Or even Gardiner as a higher pick cap dump take. Namestnikov would then be Seattle choice it seems and he’s proven to be a 3rd line center and the Wings seem to have an abundance on that with Veleno and Ras.Let him go—he’s not a difference maker.

What changes next summer (other than Nielsen & DDK’s money—is that what it will take with Cheap, I mean Chris, Illitch—and the expansion draft pressure being gone)? Doesn’t that make it more difficult next year? Why wait?

But if staying the roster is the chosen course….why not work around the edges:
  I think the Wings could do better than re-signing Bernier—he’s approaching that natural steep decline in goal-tending skills age that no one can predict when exactly the cliff comes.See if Vegas decides Marc-André Fleury’s cap hit is no longer sustainable and what that cap dump would get you. If not there should be players available for a 3rd rounder or lower because of the expansion draft. If not then go for a younger UFA/RFA.
  And I assume Glendening moves on—he’s the last piece a contending team could use. Another cap dump spot opens up.
  Bury Nielsen in the AHL and open a roster spot—he has a MNTC not a NMC. That roster spot can secure a draft pick from a cap dump. And go big on the contract to secure a 1st round spot: say James Neal/Milan Lucic…
  Berggren’s no longer a ELC slide candidate so give him a real chance to earn a roster spot and don’t block his way all season if he’s started in the AHL (the only reason to leave Nielsen where he is).
Congratulations, now the Wings are on the Pistons path to mediocrity/1st round exits of the 2010’s.

For others:
Think of it this way—not counting RFA and non-roster’ed players there are 3 contracts for the ‘22-23 season on the books (and only 1 of which is necessary for the Wings)—-if you can’t remake this team now—then when? Are we going to be able to cobble a championship roster from the picks made already and those in the future which should start to creep higher in the draft?  Where’s the Yzerman/Fedorov or Dats/Z combination to lead the team?

Posted by d ca on 06/18/21 at 04:01 PM ET

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When Steve re-signed Blash that to me said one thing… Expect more of the same for the next 2 years.
This team isn’t trying to make the playoffs just want them to be respectable and worthy to watch if you buy a ticket to the games. It’s a rebuild.

I am hoping that deals are made that take players for picks that take the slots that Helm and Glendening filled this year. That goes for Ryan and Gagner as well but they might be worth having at the trade deadline for picks. It seems as though nobody wanted what the wings had at the deadline so upgrades on short contracts are probably necessary. Your new Helm and Glendenning are Panik and Erne. They are the 4th liners. And they can score!

Bernier is the only UFA they should really bring back. Who knows if a slump happens and you need good goal tending to keep moral up.

TANK - try and find a couple solid prospects that other teams over looked and go for the 1st overall next year. Picks and more picks and more picks after that…. smile

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 06/18/21 at 04:48 PM ET

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Forgot… Find an Assistant coach that can run a power play. Its still on Blash in my opinion that this hasn’t been fixed over the years. The story I read where he was saying they need someone to think outside the box for the PP was silly. Sit down with your coaches and Steve and work it out. Make Steve get you the players you need.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 06/18/21 at 04:56 PM ET

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Gonna be a lot easier for Fs to do their thing if we have guys like stetcher in the lineup.  Dont want to start next year cholo, lindstrom and seider all learning the game.

Posted by ThatGuy on 06/18/21 at 05:40 PM ET

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If Stall decides not to return (or the Wings decide against) i would try and bring in Jamie Oleksiak. A decent rugged two way Dmen.  I think he would be a worthy mentor for the young Dmen.

No to Helm, Gagner and Ryan. If they cannot bring draft picks then please move on.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 06/18/21 at 05:53 PM ET

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Gonna be a lot easier for Fs to do their thing if we have guys like stetcher in the lineup.  Dont want to start next year cholo, lindstrom and seider all learning the game.Posted by ThatGuy on 06/18/21 at 05:40 PM ET

1) Do what thing? Help the club to continue to be a bottom 5 dweller? a bottom 10 dweller? a bottom 15? And then you lose Stecher to free agency because he’s the # 3 RHD on the club (Hronek and Seider are the top 2 RHD) and you won’t pay a 3rd pair guy that kind of salary. Then what lose him for nothing? No thanks. He was an upgrade, but unless he re-signs before the expansion draft: he should be traded.

I absolutely want the prospects/young guns playing. Two will be 23 years old—it’s simply time for them. Cholo has 104 NHL (73 AHL) games over the course of 3 years with an NHL ATOI of 18:14. Lindstrom has 29 NHL (58 AHL) games over 2 years with an ATOI of 16:21.They are not rookies: they’ll be fine. And speaking of rookies, Seider is 20 so no longer ELC slide eligible and has 3 years left on that ELC contract. You want to see if the promise lives up to the performance.

Posted by d ca on 06/18/21 at 11:05 PM ET

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