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The Coaching Search Continues

from Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press,

The Wings aren't where they were in 1993 when, as a player, Yzerman saw what difference it made to bring in Scotty Bowman. Within five years, the team had won two championships. Yzerman may be more comfortable bringing in a coach on a shorter-term deal, such as three years, than the four-or-more years that coaches with leverage can command. That latter group includes multiple Stanley Cup winners besides Trotz (2018, Washington Capitals): Joel Quenneville (2010, 2013 and 2015, Blackhawks), John Tortorella (2004, Tampa Bay Lightning), and Claude Julien (2011, Bruins).

Yzerman's history in hiring head coaches shows his willingness to gamble on a a fresh face: As GM of the Lightning, Yzerman hired Guy Boucher, and, when he wasn't coaching to expectations, fired him and promoted Jon Cooper, who has the Bolts in the Stanley Cup Final for the third straight year.

The Wings would seem a good fit for a newcomer to the NHL head coaching game. The Wings are on the rise, thanks to last season's arrivals of Moritz Seider and Lucas Raymond, with Simon Edvinsson poised to join the team next season. The Wings still need a No. 1 center and to solidify their goaltending situation, but they are ready to be pushed to be at least be a .500 team. Candidates that could be a good fit in a transitional role (with the possibility of staying, of course), include Derek Lalonde, an assistant coach during Yzerman's last year with the Lightning; Mike Vellucci, a Farmington native who also has coached in the AHL and as an assistant with the Pittsburgh Penguins; Marco Sturm (Los Angeles Kings) and Spencer Carberry (Toronto Maple Leafs).

Another possible candidate is Cam Abbott, who has been coaching in Sweden. He was Seider's coach in 2020-21.

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Primis's avatar

The Wings still need a No. 1 center

Do they, Helene?  Do they?

No.  They need a Top 6 C.  Larkin already showed that he’s a #1 C this past season.  They need another C to go along with Larkin.  I’m really not sure what more Dylan needs to do to kill the “Wings need a #1 C” talk.

Posted by Primis on 06/16/22 at 11:43 AM ET

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Trotz reportedly turned down 7 mil per year from the Flyers and there are rumors he may join management in Nashville.

Doubt he seriously considered Detroit an option, though he did do an interview, I think anyone hoping he would come here can cross him off their list.

https://novacapsfans.com/2022/06/15/report-former-capitals-head-coach-trotz-turns-down-7-million-offer-from-flyers-buys-1-5-million-house-in-nashville-suburbs/amp/

Posted by SauceBoss on 06/16/22 at 12:11 PM ET

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Larkin was the 22nd best C by points in the league so yeah, technically he’s a 1C, but he’s not a 1C on a playoff team, nevermind a contending team.

They absolutely need, at the very least, a 1B centre.

The best player on *one* playoff team had zero P/G players (LA). Carolina and Washington were the only other playoff teams with less than two P/G players.

Detroit has zero P/G players and they’re not going to be contenders if their best player isn’t a P/G player.

For this team to succeed they need Larkin to be this era’s Zetterberg, not this era’s Datsyuk. If he’s this era’s Datsyuk then they aren’t winning anything.

Posted by GMoney on 06/16/22 at 12:37 PM ET

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So no news still. smile

Posted by ilovehomers on 06/16/22 at 12:56 PM ET

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Posted by Primis on 06/16/22 at 11:43 AM ET

Even a broken analog clock is right twice a day. So it pains me to say, but Helene is right about Larkin.

Larkin is a #2 centre on a playoff contender. Even with an outstanding season, he rates as a top 6 player—not a star player that can drive the top line.

From the previous full season (which discounts the 44 game COVID year). He had a 16 point jump in output this past year (playing the same number of games). That output was similar to his previous career highs—but above career averages. So there are questions: Can that spike be trusted? Can we expect that going forward?

If you look at 5-on-5 play metrics, you see Larkin adds offense—but not enough to overcome the other team’s first-line offense. Hence why people view him as a #2 centre—-for a competing team.

All that said—he’s underpaid. The metric says he’s worth $7.3M per year (he’s getting paid $6.1M). Because he’s on the top line, the captain, and coming up on his walk year—on a team with plenty of cap space—that’s where things get difficult.

Getting to the overall point—the Wings coaching vacancy is not premier destination. While they do have: cap space, two tempting pieces (a top line winger and a #1 d-man) plus some good auxiliary pieces (including Larkin), some outstanding prospects (Cossa, Edvinsson, Berggren, Johansson, Soderblom, McIsaac, Wallinder, Buium), and another high draft selection—-they are still a rebuilding team: hence why the top coaches may be looking elsewhere.

And that could very well be why no top coach has committed to signing with the Wings when other vacancies are still open.

Posted by d ca on 06/16/22 at 01:58 PM ET

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And that could very well be why no top coach has committed to signing with the Wings when other vacancies are still open.

Posted by d ca on 06/16/22 at 01:58 PM ET

THIS. 

The Wings now have a chance to be truly made in Yzerman’s image when he hires his first coach who’s not leftover from the Holland era.  Except for the team doctors and a majority of the training staff, it really is Yzerman’s team.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 06/16/22 at 02:46 PM ET

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Except for the team doctors and a majority of the training staff, it really is Yzerman’s team.

He even got rid of the zamboni driver.  smile

Posted by GMoney on 06/16/22 at 04:57 PM ET

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Posted by GMoney on 06/16/22 at 04:57 PM ET

The Zamboni driver got himself fired for getting caught peeing in front of a woman security guard down an ice drain. And I am sure the ice surface conditions because of a multi-use facility didn’t help his cause for retention.

Posted by d ca on 06/16/22 at 05:01 PM ET

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The Zamboni driver got himself fired for getting caught peeing in front of a woman security guard down an ice drain
Posted by d ca on 06/16/22 at 05:01 PM ET

Where did you read that it was a woman? Everything I’ve seen said male.

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Window Seat on the Captain's Ship on 06/16/22 at 10:32 PM ET

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Derek Lalonde is still coaching so its kinda hard to hire him right now

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Window Seat on the Captain's Ship on 06/16/22 at 10:33 PM ET

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Even a broken analog clock is right twice a day. So it pains me to say, but Helene is right about Larkin.

Larkin is a #2 centre on a playoff contender. Even with an outstanding season, he rates as a top 6 player—not a star player that can drive the top line.

Posted by d ca on 06/16/22 at 01:58 PM ET

Larkin was 22 in league scoring by C’s this past season, and I would put him ahead overall of some of those guy who outscored him due to his complete game.  And then some of those guys (Crosby, Stamkos, Pavelski, Tavares) are old enough that you can’t really consider them a part of this conversation, since we’re talking about about ultimately someone with this team in 3 or 4 years still.

So here’s the problem with this narrative:  where are you going to find a BETTER center than Larkin for this team?  As I’ve stated before, if someone thinks the draft is the answer for that in the coming seasons, by the time that help can come in to the NHL lineup and be THAT good, Larkin’s either going to be gone (to another team), or going to be on the decline.

There are only so many McDavids, Matthews’, etc, out there.  I’m not the least bit convinced that even Wright is going to develop into or be a better C than Larkin, and a lot of other draft types aren’t sure that Wright has that high of a ceiling either.  He’s maybe a #2 C type.  You’re not prying a Drasisaitl, MacKinnon, or Barkov from their respective teams.

So then what?  DET is not getting Bedard in the NEXT draft, don’t even consider that.  That’s absolute fantasy.  League will never let it happen.

So I’m not sure where this better C is coming from.

So now you’re starting to get into “Just trade Bert, Larkin, etc, for picks”: territory, and basically going to require a complete teardown on the team except for Seider, Raymond, and everyone younger.  Which I have to imagine is not at all what Yzerman intends on doing.

So now… you have to ask yourself, if you improve the cast around Larkin more, will he perform even better?

This seems possible You get a better #2 C than Suter, and then Vrana healthy for most or all of a season and I think you can have a lethal enough #2 line that it takes some of the pressure off Larkin’s line, and it’s possible he does even more.  And I sure think DET can find a C better than Suter somewhere.

Posted by Primis on 06/17/22 at 08:04 AM ET

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Let’s see where we stand with this.

Teams do allow prospective candidates to interview if their team is still in the playoffs so you would have to think Yzerman has talked with Lalonde if he wanted to.

Torts is going to Philly, Trotz going to talk with the Jets again, there is even a report coach Q is going to go back to Florida.

Luke Richardson has talked with the Blackhawks and I am sure I missed some names but we shall soon find out who is going where.  I imagine most coaches will be in place in time for the draft.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/17/22 at 09:09 AM ET

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Anything can happen, but my feeling is Lalonde is the guy SY wants. I also have a feeling SY wants the team to challenge for the playoffs this season, I just do not think signing guys like Trochek or Copp will thread the needle, we will still be a very mediocre team, not good enough to content and not bad enough to get a top 5 pick. I fully trust SY to make us a cup contender at some point though.

Posted by VPalmer on 06/17/22 at 03:45 PM ET

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/17/22 at 09:09 AM ET

Paul

What’s your gut telling you? Or your contacts?

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 06/17/22 at 04:35 PM ET

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dd…, I have heard nothing but like I wrote earlier, I would not be surprised if Yzerman talked with Lalonde.  I think the big names still ot there are either not interested or vice versa.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/17/22 at 04:47 PM ET

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Thank you

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 06/17/22 at 05:31 PM ET

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I have yet to hear a single thing about him in particular but… might Yzerman be waiting to see what happens to Andrew Brunette in FLA?  Sure sounds like FLA is going to hire a retread and bump Brunette away as interim.

Posted by Primis on 06/17/22 at 07:28 PM ET

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Brunette is too much of a gamble. He was given too good of a team for too short of a period of time to understand how good of a coach he is.

Posted by VPalmer on 06/17/22 at 10:05 PM ET

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Brunette is too much of a gamble. He was given too good of a team for too short of a period of time to understand how good of a coach he is.

Posted by VPalmer on 06/17/22 at 10:05 PM ET

+19.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 06/18/22 at 12:13 AM ET

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