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Detroit’s Roster Now At 23

DETROIT -- The Detroit Red Wings today assigned forwards Riley Barber, Taro Hirose and Joe Veleno to the American Hockey League's Grand Rapids Griffins. Additionally, Detroit designated center Kyle Criscuolo and defenseman Seth Barton as injured non-roster and placed left wing Jakub Vrana on injured reserve.

The Red Wings also released right wing Bobby Ryan from his professional tryout.

"We felt that Bobby had a good preseason for us, but due to roster limitations, we aren't able to offer him a contract at this time," said Red Wings executive vice president and general manager Steve Yzerman. "We will continue to evaluate whether there is an opportunity for Bobby in Detroit as the 2021-22 season begins."

The moves bring the Red Wings to a 23-man roster, consisting of 13 forwards, eight defensemen and two goaltenders. The Red Wings will begin the 96th season in franchise history on Thursday, Oct. 14 at 7:30 p.m. when they host the back-to-back Stanley Cup-champion Tampa Bay Lightning at Little Caesars Arena.

added 3:37pm, Roster is below.
 

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Down River Dan's avatar

And let the venom regarding Valeno commence…in 3….2….1… grrr

Posted by Down River Dan on 10/11/21 at 03:44 PM ET

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Rowney over Veleno is a head scratcher.

Posted by beantownredwings on 10/11/21 at 03:44 PM ET

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Happy they kept Raymond up.

Posted by ThatGuy on 10/11/21 at 03:48 PM ET

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Bob Duff of Detroit Hockey Now,

Let’s analyze the fate of the boys on the bubble – the reasons to keep them, and what might cause them to go.

Lucas Raymond
Pros: Arriving with plenty of hype, Lucas Raymond has been delivering the goods. He ended up finishing the preseason as the Red Wings’ top scorer with six points. He’s made an impact, made the team better, which was what coach Jeff Blashill was demanding of Raymond when training camp opened.

Cons: There just don’t seem to be any that suggest sending Raymond down at this moment is the best option. At Monday’s practice, he was skating with Larkin and Tyler Bertuzzi on the top line. “Right away I knew he was a special player,” Larkin said of Raymond. “He thinks the game, has great hands and can skate. He always looked like a good player. Then I saw him on the ice in training camp and he’s a smart player. I think he thinks at a different level.”

Joe Veleno
Pros: Veleno has sigificantly upped his strength level. Weighing in at 206 pounds, he’s certainly ready to compete physically at the NHL level. Veleno is also displaying a level of defensive responsibility that will make him a useful NHLer.

Cons: The same questions being asked today about Veleno, hockey people were asking about him three years ago when he was selected by Detroit in the NHL entry draft. Can he produce enough offense to be a top-six or top-nine NHL forward? The team needs to find this out. “That’s a huge part of the decision, even beyond my call,” Blashill admitted.

That’s why he’s probably better served going to Grand Rapids. He’ll play top-six minutes in the AHL. “Two things can happen if Joe were to get sent down,” Blashill said. “One, he may be in a role that’s higher than he is here, which hopefully would maximize his development. And two, it gives us more organizational depth, because he is a guy who can get sent down without exposing to waivers.”

Carter Rowney
Pros: Rowney is an experienced NHL forward with 223 games on his resume. He played a regular bottom-six role wih the 2016-17 Stanley Cup champion Pittsburgh Penguins. He’s an expert penalty killer and he’s accustomed to filling a lesser role. “There’s a learned process of understanding how to maximize 10 minutes a night, how to be a positive factor in those,” Blashill said. “Young guys sometimes haven’t been in that spot, and they struggle with it.”

Cons: Rowney is 32. He missed all but 19 games last season after undergoing season-ending sugery for a torn meniscus in his left knee. Rowney also didn’t score a goal last season.

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Pros: Arriving with plenty of hype, Lucas Raymond has been delivering the goods. He ended up finishing the preseason as the Red Wings’ top scorer with six points. He’s made an impact, made the team better, which was what coach Jeff Blashill was demanding of Raymond when training camp opened.


Cons: There just don’t seem to be any that suggest sending Raymond down at this moment is the best option. At Monday’s practice, he was skating with Larkin and Tyler Bertuzzi on the top line. “Right away I knew he was a special player,” Larkin said of Raymond. “He thinks the game, has great hands and can skate. He always looked like a good player. Then I saw him on the ice in training camp and he’s a smart player. I think he thinks at a different level.”]more[/url] ($$$)

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/11/21 at 03:50 PM ET

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OK more news we can figure out.  I’m guessing Barton and Criscuolo are AHL or waivers except if they are injured you have to keep them on the present roster but when they are healthy they are gone.  Vrana is the only real injured reserve.  Question is who is replacing Vrana???  Do the RW have to divulge this ??  or is the decision made when Vrana is ready to play ?  My thinking is someone on the golden 23 thinks they have made the team, when really they are the odd man out ??  Waiver exempt Raymond and Zadina, the other 11 forwards, one needs to be waived.  Another way is for Stevie to use Vrana’s time to trade off one guy for a draft pick and or a minor league prospect.

Posted by jhpcarrier97 on 10/11/21 at 03:50 PM ET

damndog revenge   From the bowels of Detroit's avatar

Rowney has played 5 seasons in the NHL and his stats are not very good. Why is he on the team?

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/r/rowneca01.html

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 10/11/21 at 03:54 PM ET

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I bet Veleno will be up as soon as someone in the top 9 gets injured. They probably didn’t want him in a 4th line/press box type role where Rowney will likely end up. Raymond on the top line is great!

Posted by Shanny_Fan on 10/11/21 at 03:55 PM ET

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Well a good spin is that the Wings just sent GR their top line,  BARBER-VELENO-HIROSE.  I’d be tinkled pink if I live in GR and followed the Griffs.  But yes Rowney is bottom three getting 10 min whereas the boys above will be getting 18 mins.  I think GR has a championship team this year!!!

Posted by jhpcarrier97 on 10/11/21 at 04:02 PM ET

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Why is he on the team?

Because he’s a quintessential 13th forward who can play center and kill penalties. I don’t like it but it is what it is.

Posted by beantownredwings on 10/11/21 at 04:02 PM ET

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Posted by Down River Dan on 10/11/21 at 03:44 PM ET

You are an awesome guitar player BTW. I saw you play at the dequindre cut on Saturday.

https://musicwikidetroit.org/index.php?title=DownRiver_Dan

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 10/11/21 at 04:04 PM ET

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CapGeek has updated.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/redwings

Posted by jhpcarrier97 on 10/11/21 at 04:04 PM ET

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Veleno sent down because he is the only one waiver exempt. He went down because we’d risk losing smith/rowney.

Then again, if Stevie didn’t sign Gagner at all….it’s a top 9 spot open regardless of injury.

Posted by ilovehomers on 10/11/21 at 04:05 PM ET

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$12.464M in cap space per CapFriendly

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/11/21 at 04:05 PM ET

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jhpcarrier97, did not mean to step on your toes.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 10/11/21 at 04:06 PM ET

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Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit

Ha…Sorry to disappoint, but not me. I do play a little guitar and Allen Park is close to home…but alas not me.. tongue laugh

Posted by Down River Dan on 10/11/21 at 04:42 PM ET

damndog revenge   From the bowels of Detroit's avatar

Ha…Sorry to disappoint, but not me. I do play a little guitar and Allen Park is close to home…but alas not me.. tongue laugh

Posted by Down River Dan on 10/11/21 at 04:42 PM ET

I was pretty certain that was not you but still fun to jest.

If you have not seen him, it may be worth your while. The guy is a spectacular guitar player.

Be well,

DD

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 10/11/21 at 05:12 PM ET

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My bet is that Veleno doesn’t finish the year in GR. Certainly feels like the obvious first call-up.

Posted by RyanVM on 10/11/21 at 06:11 PM ET

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Rowney = Darren Helm #2, without the speed. Hope he doesn’t miss the empty net when the goalie is pulled.

Posted by exor54 on 10/11/21 at 06:33 PM ET

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It’s interesting SY goes out of his way to mention
Ryan might still be an option, depending on injuries I guess.
Doubt he would just loosely through that out there if it wasn’t discussed
with the player and he wasn’t on board with perhaps waiting around a little bit.

Rowney is a versatile spare part with some size and the right shot, not that’s
he’s put up a lot of points. Can sit him. Waive him if Veleno and others press the case in GR.

It is a little odd all of the guys with nagging injuries are on the roster going into the opener. Rasmussen, Smith, Erne…most of our size. Maybe this is the roster they needed to protect from waivers and someone else will actually come up to play vs. Tampa? Is Namestikov nursing an injury too - he barely played in preseason. That’s a lot of rusty, slightly injuries players to bring into a season opener, especially when three are expected to play more physical games.

Posted by lefty.30 on 10/11/21 at 06:51 PM ET

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This means Mrs. Blashill was impressed.
good job kid.

Posted by Matt_in_MI on 10/11/21 at 07:36 PM ET

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The roster is looking the best it has in over a decade. Stick tap for “The Yzerplan!”;-)

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 10/11/21 at 07:57 PM ET

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Surprised by Raymond and Ryan. Pleased with Raymond being on the team, and also suspect Ryan will be eventually due to injuries.  smile

Posted by bigfrog on 10/11/21 at 10:00 PM ET

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...as long as Raymond isn’t optioned to GR after 9 games and then they sign Ryan. I am okay with it. Veleno playing top minutes is what they wanted. He has to prove he can score or be willing to accept bottom 6 minutes—something I don’t think either side wants.

Alexandar Georgiev’s name has been thrown about in trade rumors with speculation he requested a trade after failing to win the starter job (Shesterkin got a 4 year contract this past off-season to be the starter).  Georgiev is on his last year of his bridge contract. Want to really lock down the goalie position for the next 5 years see what the Rangers want as they might be looking for cap room to make moves now they signed Zibanejad to an 8 yr x 8.5M contract.

Posted by d ca on 10/11/21 at 11:10 PM ET

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Bobby Ryan released, and we have turned the page from the Ken Holland book of GMing this team, the Captain is steering the ship. Ryan produced some O in the preseason, but he’s a black hole of possession, there’ s reason he was trying out for a non-playoff team.

Velano was sent down because he wouldn’t be getting minutes, or even dress at all, he’ll be up soon enough. I bet he plays 40 NHL games, certainly finishes out after the trade deadline.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Window Seat on the Captain's Ship on 10/12/21 at 12:05 AM ET

damndog revenge   From the bowels of Detroit's avatar

I guess I am fine with Veleno not staying up and going to GR.

But looking at the projected line up for Thursday, I really do not have a lot of faith in the third line. I like Ras a lot, but Gagner and Namey? I rather see Erne on the third line and drop Gagner down to the fourth.

But does anyone think that Namey or Gagner are better suited on the third line over Erne or for that case, Veleno? Unless Namey has a comeback season, that line is just another checking line. But, in Stevie I must trust.


Forwards (12)
Bertuzzi-Larkin-Raymond

Fabbri-Suter-Zadina

Namestnikov-Rasmussen-Gagner

Erne-Stephens-Smith

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 10/12/21 at 10:29 AM ET

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Posted by MurrayChadwick from Window Seat on the Captain’s

There isn’t a reality in which Gagner is better than Veleno. At worst case, they’re even and you would go with the younger guy who theoretically has more stamina and can improve as the season progresses.

Gagner isn’t getting any better than 20pts per year, even with his 15-18mim per game he’ll be getting thanks to Blashill.

Posted by retrospecd on 10/12/21 at 11:50 AM ET

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There isn’t a reality in which Gagner is better than Veleno.

Posted by retrospecd on 10/12/21 at 11:50 AM ET

Its not about “better” Who gives a rip if the Wings 3rd line is a smidge better THIS season with this guy vs. that guy.

What’s “better” is developing a 1st round talented Center at Center so he’s productive in 2-3 seasons. So you use his option, play him 20 minutes a night in the AHL at the Center position, on the PP and PK, vs. paying limited minutes on the wing, with no PK or PP time, knowing that he’s going to come up and play when injury/illness/trades happen. 

Raymond was making this team as a top 6 or he wasn’t. He’s better than Erne doesn’t mean he’d play on the 4th line.

I’d also have a hard time saying that Veleno will come in and be “better” on the PK where Gagner will be used as well.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Window Seat on the Captain's Ship on 10/12/21 at 12:54 PM ET

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