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At what point do the Wings have to take a tough stance with these guys and tell them no Olympics?  This would be especially difficult for Pav given the games are in Russia (and he was named captain) but the Red Wings pay the bills.  And with Franzen’s concussion problems, should he be playing extra games?

Posted by Uncle Rico on 01/27/14 at 04:11 PM ET

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To a lot of players in the NHL having the change to represent their country at the Olympics is a big deal. While The Franchise is paying the bills for these players, it might be a necessary evil as refusing to allow them to participate could leave a sour taste and create distraction (see: Marty St. Louis). It also doesn’t help a club trying to sign free agents when you’ve developed a reputation as a team that doesn’t work with your players.

Posted by SK77 on 01/27/14 at 04:17 PM ET

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So not to be a richard’head or anything to bring this up but…. It’s getting interesting to see if these two injured Red Wings find themselves healthy enough to play in the Olympics, vs. healing.

Sure does put the Red Wings in a tough spot, I mean on one hand your dishing out Millions to these guys, you have a playoff streak, fans, free agent interest, while on the other, both are respected players in the league, and locker room, and with the fickle way free agency works, you’d want to keep your player friendly organizational view.

Hmm…. should be interesting next few weeks.

Posted by MurrayChadwick on 01/27/14 at 04:18 PM ET

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St. James,

Zetterberg is day-to-day with a sore back. He was a last-minute scratch from Sunday’s 5-4 shootout loss to Florida. By sitting out the Philly game, Zetterberg will get close to a week off before possibly playing Friday, when the Wings host Washington.

Datsyuk hasn’t played since Jan. 1 because of a lower-body injury. He had been skating, then took a few days off, then began practicing again. He’s considered close, but that’s been his status for several days now.

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/27/14 at 04:19 PM ET

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/27/14 at 03:19 PM ET

This is good news.

Posted by TreKronor on 01/27/14 at 04:52 PM ET

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At what point do the Wings have to take a tough stance with these guys and tell them no Olympics?

As this is something that was negotiated above the level of individual players/teams, the Red Wings lack the authority to tell any of their players that they may not participate.

The best they may do is have their doctor declare that they’re not fit to play NHL games (something he has to be willing to stake his career on, so it can’t just be a “well it would be better for the team financially….”)  Even then, the team doctors of the individual countries have the ultimate say whether a player is healthy enough to go.

If they are injured during the Olympics, the NHL should have negotiated a contingency insurance plan to remunerate the Wings for the money lost.

Welcome to the world of collective bargaining.  Don’t expect any NHLers to go to South Korea in 2018 because of shit like this.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/27/14 at 05:09 PM ET

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This is not sounding good at all. I am really concerned about the health of Pav and Z.  What if they both have chronic issues that are only going to get worse?.....  As for the Olympics, as certain as I am that both want to play for their respective countries, I am equally certain that neither will if he is not close to 100% physically.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 01/27/14 at 05:30 PM ET

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(see: Marty St. Louis)

Posted by some kid on 01/27/14 at 03:17 PM ET

Yes, because it has obviously had a negative impact on his play.

Posted by Hootinani on 01/27/14 at 07:07 PM ET

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Zetterberg And Datsyuk Not Traveling To Philly

That’s a headline that makes one ill.

As for the Olympics, I feel if Z needs to sit out to heal he will do so, but there is no way on God’s green earth Pav will sit out the games in his home country.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 01/27/14 at 07:26 PM ET

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I agree. Datsyuk will want to play in his Country. I don’t think it matters to Zetterberg whether he plays or not if his back is bothering him. He has put in some tough minutes since Datsyuk has been out.

Posted by bigfrog on 01/27/14 at 09:19 PM ET

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Said it a month ago and I’ll say it again; this team goes as Zetterberg goes…even if Pav is the more magical of the two.

Wasn’t Z named the Sweden Captain as well?

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 01/27/14 at 10:07 PM ET

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Yes, Zetterberg is Team Sweden’s captain.

I’m just hoping that it’s chronic back stuff. There’s an old phrase regarding hockey player’s back issues: you ask a player if so-and-so is out because he’s got debilitating pain in his lower back, and the response will be, “Who doesn’t?” and while Z’s had some significant issues over the years, a game played hunched over and getting cross-checked is bound to make players’ backs sore, and there was a significant amount of video evidence indicating that the Canadiens targeted Zetterberg’s back on a repeated and rather violent basis.

Here’s hoping he got bruised and battered instead of inflamed and spasm-y.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/27/14 at 10:17 PM ET

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and there was a significant amount of video evidence indicating that the Canadiens targeted Zetterberg’s back on a repeated and rather violent basis.

Here’s hoping he got bruised and battered instead of inflamed and spasm-y.
   
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    from South Lyon, MI on 01/27/14 at 09:17 PM ET

And once again I wonder out loud why teams are allowed to do this. Especially when Uncle Mike speaks a lot about having guys to “keep the flies off”? Hmmm….

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 01/27/14 at 10:50 PM ET

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Some of it was legal, some of it was subtle and some of it was unpunished. Regrettably players who possess the puck on a regular basis are often those who are subject to the most legal and un-penalizable abuse, and Zetterberg is a puck-mover.

I don’t think it had anything to do with keeping the flies off; it had quite a bit to do with the standard of officiating on both sides, and a if you get a bad cross-check or two from PK Subban, you’re gonna wind up sore.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/27/14 at 10:54 PM ET

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Players used to hack at Yzerman but when they did they had someone else breathing down their neck (Probert, Gallant, Kocur, McCarty, Shanahan, Konstantinov, Lapointe, Drake, etc…). Who now? Bertuzzi?
Teams are gonna do this a lot more in the East then the West. Get used to this, George.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 01/27/14 at 11:30 PM ET

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We got some hungry bigger younger grittier forwards coming in from GR vlad.  We wont have to take this too much longer.  Whole team has been getting chippy.  Dont need an enforcer per se but def someone willing to dish out sone reciprocal nastiness

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 01/27/14 at 11:53 PM ET

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Two of them are Glendening and Lashoff, who’ve clearly been told that they needed to add an edge to their games to stick.

Glendening’s channeling Dallas Drake’s nasty forechecking and pest-instigating abilities at times, and Lashoff’s all but patented, “It’s legal to cross-check someone by repeatedly punching them in the back with your hands less than two shoulders’ width apart.” They’re adding some “truculence” to the mix.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/28/14 at 01:15 AM ET

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I really like the edge Glenny brings, he’s a fast, he knows his role is to hit and be abbrasive, he’s embraced it, plays good in his minutes,and is good on the PK. Good for him and the team, he’s the perfect 4th line center, and a presense we need in the post season.

So that begs the question, who’s spot Glenny is taking? 

Pav, Weiss, Helm, Anderson, Glenny, and now Sheahan, that’s 1-2 centers too many, if not this season, certainly coming into next.  Does that make Anderson trade bait?  Is Weiss already a possible buyout option in the offseason?  Can you trust Helms back and health?

Posted by MurrayChadwick on 01/28/14 at 10:35 AM ET

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As this is something that was negotiated above the level of individual players/teams, the Red Wings lack the authority to tell any of their players that they may not participate.

The best they may do is have their doctor declare that they’re not fit to play NHL games (something he has to be willing to stake his career on, so it can’t just be a “well it would be better for the team financially….”)  Even then, the team doctors of the individual countries have the ultimate say whether a player is healthy enough to go.

If they are injured during the Olympics, the NHL should have negotiated a contingency insurance plan to remunerate the Wings for the money lost.

Welcome to the world of collective bargaining.  Don’t expect any NHLers to go to South Korea in 2018 because of shit like this.

I understand this is a collectively bargained issue, but as a practical matter the Wings can have this conversation off the record with these players…

Posted by Uncle Rico on 01/28/14 at 02:35 PM ET

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