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Wings May Not Find A Fit With The UFA’s

from Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press,

As NHL free agency heats up Wednesday — any unrestricted free agent can talk to any team, though not sign until Friday — the Wings’ focus is shifting more to keeping two of their own guys than bringing in someone new.

That’s because of prohibitive prices: Lecavalier, 34, wants a five-year deal averaging around $5 million a season; the Wings are too concerned about his pace to commit that much. Clarkson, of New Jersey, is pushing for seven years at a $6 million average; this for a guy who has one 30-goal season to his credit. Boston’s Nathan Horton wants to play in a warm climate.

The Wings are looking for a second-line center, and would have liked to add Lecavalier if he was agreeable to a two-year deal. There’s a spot open in the top-six group because negotiations with Valtteri Filppula have revealed a wide chasm, one that won’t be closed by the end of the week....

The Wings also have to consider that in another year, they likely will be adding three talented forwards from their system in Tomas Jurco, Riley Sheahan and Landon Ferraro. If prices for this year’s scant crop of UFAs is as high as it appears, the Wings may well decide to go into the season with what they’ve got, and see what happens.

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update 8:22pm, St, James updated the same link with this...

General manager Ken Holland is continuing talks with his other two unrestricted free-agent forwards, Daniel Cleary and Damien Brunner, and the negotiations are close enough deals could happen. Cleary should come in around three years and $9 million, while Brunner is seeking in the $2.5 million range.

The Wings already have 12 forwards under contract for next season, a number that will grow by two when restricted free agents Joakim Andersson and Gustav Nyquist get new contracts. Depending on what happens with Cleary and Brunner, the Wings may not buy out any forwards. Mikael Samuelsson, 36, and Todd Bertuzzi, 38, both were injured much of last season, but each has just one season left on his contract.

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HockeytownOverhaul's avatar

How does she know they dont want him because of pace?  I want sources

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 05:31 PM ET

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the Wings’ focus is shifting more to keeping two of their own guys than bringing in someone new.

the Wings may well decide to go into the season with what they’ve got, and see what happens.

3…2…1…

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 05:32 PM ET

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3…2…1…

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 06:32 PM ET

I like our team

Posted by LivinLaVidaLockout on 07/02/13 at 05:35 PM ET

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Big effing surprise. The problem is these UFA’s all expect to be paid full price.

Posted by awould on 07/02/13 at 05:36 PM ET

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hahaha hilarious…so utterly predictable.

Posted by A II R on 07/02/13 at 05:37 PM ET

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Seriously though…Clarkson wants $6mil for 7 years? He can eat a bag of di*ks. Oh and Horton wants to play in a “warm climate”?! I thought this guy was some kind of hardass. Grow a pair and sign with Detroit for 4 years at $3.5 per! With climate change in full effect our winters are surprisingly mild.

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 05:39 PM ET

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Clarkson, of New Jersey, is pushing for seven years at a $6 million average; this for a guy who has one 30-goal season to his credit. Boston’s Nathan Horton wants to play in a warm climate.

hahahahahahahahaha

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 05:39 PM ET

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Ever think of signing a known veteran performer for their market price and TRADING a prospect for picks?

Thinking seems to be…. Can’t sign a great proven UFA because we have too much potential.

Posted by awould on 07/02/13 at 05:39 PM ET

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How does she know they dont want him because of pace?  I want sources

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 06:31 PM ET

I wrote that in two places yesterday morning, so that’s a source smile

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 05:41 PM ET

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Was Paul pulling that Iginla question out of thin air or was there any franchise or agent source to it?

I think Iginla would be some additional spunk, can still score well, wouldn’t have to be a 21 minute a night guy.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 05:43 PM ET

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... but I wish we’d gotten him for 3 years, 3 years ago.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 05:44 PM ET

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Within 3 days we went from “We’re going to be aggressive this offseason” to “Sorry guys, better luck next year”, and the offseason hasn’t even officially started yet.

Posted by Hootinani on 07/02/13 at 05:50 PM ET

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“the Wings’ focus is shifting more to keeping two of their own guys than bringing in someone new.
If prices for this year’s scant crop of UFAs is as high as it appears, the Wings may well decide to go into the season with what they’ve got, and see what happens.”


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA   O M G   STAND BY FOR REVOLT !

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upyoursgary

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 05:57 PM ET

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Hahahahaha. Goddamn that made my day, Bill.

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 05:58 PM ET

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I knew this was going to happen the second I saw Bickell say explicitly he’s going to take a “hometown discount” and then sign for $4mil a year. I would have thought that was a bit high if we signed him for that. If that’s a “discount”, I don’t think there’s many contracts to be had that will seem very fair. Clarkson at $6mil? Please. That’s absurd. I’d rather take our chances with our kids and see whats around at the deadline.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/02/13 at 05:58 PM ET

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Wait what did I miss? @RWBILL, what’s going on with Iginla?

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 07/02/13 at 06:01 PM ET

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don’t feel bad the Pens
just signed Letard & now Dupuis & Cooke are gone & have NO ONE in their system to replace them

Posted by Evilpens on 07/02/13 at 06:05 PM ET

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...the Wings may well decide to go into the season with what they’ve got, and see what happens.

Holland is making the job of being on the Wings beat a really easy job for local reporters. All they have to do is copy/paste that line and use it every year at this time. Maybe that’s fun for them, but it’s really starting to piss me off.

So Lecavadonkydonk is going to Philly. I can live with that. But if the Wings either do nothing or they bring back Filppula at anything more than two years at $3M per year, I’m gonna have to ask my doc for a stronger high-blood-pressure med.

And if they wouldn’t give Vinny more than two years, I don’t know why they’d even bother talking to Weiss, Cullen or (my favorite) Ribeiro.

Message to Tick Tock. The days of guys signing with the Wings for pennies just for the “privelege” of being a Red Wing ended about four years ago. These days you actually have to pay them money to play there.

At least the Griffins will be fun to watch next year.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 07/02/13 at 06:07 PM ET

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Hahahahaha. Goddamn that made my day, Bill.

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 06:58 PM ET

I’ll keep in perspective on a day like today that didn’t take much smile

Wait what did I miss? @RWBILL, what’s going on with Iginla?

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 07/02/13 at 07:01 PM ET

Paul Kukla asked , ” What would we think about Jerome Iginla for 3 years at $4M a year ”  -

so, Did Paul make that up out of thin air?  Probably.  Is there any source?  Probably not.

I think he’s still got a lot of fire inside and wouldn’t have to be “the guy” playing 21 minutes a night.

Team could use some spunk besides Bertuzzi and Abdelkader.

I’d go for it if it’s a thing.  Probably Paul just creating some discussion.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 06:12 PM ET

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Regarding Iginla, I just think the Wings lack a pure goal scorer and Iginla is the best one out there.

Can they find a fit, we will find out but it has been surprisingly quiet on Iginla.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/02/13 at 06:15 PM ET

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I’m trying to talk myself into going after Weiss, assuming the wrist is healed, he might sign for under $5M, and per ESPN, 7th among those top 35 free agents (and he’s 30):
“Whatever the opposite of a big contract year is, Weiss had it this season. A wrist injury limited him to 17 games in which he registered one goal and three assists. He was a minus-13. But he’s still a highly regarded center who is typically one of Florida’s more durable players. Before this year, Weiss had three consecutive seasons of at least 20 goals and in a good year can be counted on for about 60 points. He’s light on playoff experience, but in seven games against the Devils in 2012, he had five points”

Posted by Bugsy on 07/02/13 at 06:17 PM ET

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At this point, re-signing Filppula is their best option.

Seriously.

I’m not joking.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/02/13 at 06:18 PM ET

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Darren Dreger     ✔ @DarrenDreger

5 years, $4.5 per for Vinny in Philly confirmed.
6:43 PM - 2 Jul 2013

So this explains the Flyers record setting buyout of Breezy, saving $5.5M in cap space each season, making room for Vinny.

Well, that’s east coast, and sounds like home for a guy named Vinny.

But seriously, $4.5 for 5 years?  Detroit couldn’t do that?

Now he’s got the Philly UFA curse however.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 06:19 PM ET

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At this point, re-signing Filppula is their best option.

Seriously.

I’m not joking.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/02/13 at 07:18 PM ET

Yeah, and THAT probably won’t even happen, instead he’ll be gone, replaced by Samuelsson and Cleary.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 06:20 PM ET

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I just looked over the Flyer’s roster to see if there was anyone I wouldn’t mind trading for (They’re going to have to dump some guys) and there really wasn’t anyone there that I would like to see in the Winged Wheel (besides Giroux, but that’s not realistic).  Thin D, questionable goaltending and $300k over the cap (according to Vinny updated Capgeek). 

I’m looking forward to beating them 4 times this year.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 06:25 PM ET

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The Wings also have to consider that in another year, they likely will be adding three talented forwards from their system in Tomas Jurco, Riley Sheahan and Landon Ferraro.

This is hilarious.

There is no way on God’s green earth that all three of those players will be in the Wings lineup in two years. The Wings don’t work that way.

Hell, Tomas Tatar probably won’t be in the lineup yet by then.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/02/13 at 06:26 PM ET

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does that include their 2 buyouts?  I suppose so, cap geek is pretty quick updating all their stuff.  well they can get rid of $300 K easily, but may not be a better team after all is said and done.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 06:27 PM ET

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RWB, they can always put Pronger on LTIR too.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/02/13 at 06:29 PM ET

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So this explains the Flyers record setting buyout of Breezy, saving $5.5M in cap space each season, making room for Vinny.

They moved Bryz to make room for Striet’s contract

With the Vinny signing, they are over the cap again

And while I have no problem with 4.5/5yr for Vinny, that NMC is a non-starter.

Posted by Hootinani on 07/02/13 at 06:32 PM ET

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Hell, Tomas Tatar probably won’t be in the lineup yet by then.

Funny you mention that. I’ve resigned my self to the fact that Tatar probably won’t be a regular this coming season despite all the “sources” citing that he definitely would be. I half jokingly stated that Detroit probably wouldn’t use either of their compliance buyouts, and now I’m sure that they won’t use both because Sammy is coming back I’m afraid.

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 06:34 PM ET

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I just looked over the Flyer’s roster to see if there was anyone I wouldn’t mind trading for (They’re going to have to dump some guys) and there really wasn’t anyone there that I would like to see in the Winged Wheel (besides Giroux, but that’s not realistic).  Thin D, questionable goaltending and $300k over the cap (according to Vinny updated Capgeek).

I’m looking forward to beating them 4 times this year.

Braydon Coburn’s name has shown up several times in the past month as a D man the Flyers are trying to get rid of for cap space, including RUMOR to Edmonton for a 2nd rounder.

From forecaster at the Hockey News:
Report: Flyers listening to offers for Coburn | 06/29/2013 3:45 PM
News
The Philadelphia Flyers are reportedly open to trading Braydon Coburn.
ESPN.com

Impact
Coburn had five points and 41 penalty minutes in 33 games this season. He comes with a $4.5 million annual cap hit, so dealing him would certainly help their cap situation.

Flyers might need to trade one defenseman | 06/28/2013 10:09 AM
The Flyers will have eight NHL defensemen on their roster once they officially announce Mark Streit’s contract.
Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

Impact
While you can never have enough defensemen, it’ll be hard for the Flyers to enter next season with their current group. Not counting Chris Pronger, Philly’s defensemen will account for over 43 percent of the team’s payroll next season despite only accounting for 30 percent of the roster, according to Philly.com. That leads beat writer Frank Seravalli to think someone will be dealt, with Braydon Coburn’s $4.5 million cap hit the most likely suspect. The Flyers would surely like to hold onto the 28-year-old blueliner, but his age, size and speed make him their best trading chip. The Oilers and Flames are reportedly interested in Coburn, but keep an eye out for Anaheim, which is reportedly seeking a top-four defenseman in any trade for sniper Bobby Ryan.

Braydon Coburn has apparently been given a clear bill of health from his shoulder injury.
Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

Impact
Flyers GM Paul Holmgren said that Andrej Meszaros is the team’s only player who hasn’t received clearance. Coburn missed the last 15 games of the season due to a separated shoulder. He should be expected to be fine for next year.

Scouting report:
Assets:  Moves very well for a 6-5, 220-pound defender and owns both shutdown and all-around qualities. Is capable of logging big minutes and playing on either side of the ice. Can rush up ice with the puck.
Flaws:  Doesn’t use his huge frame enough to his advantage, which limits his effectiveness. Is somewhat timid in the offensive zone, too. Could stand to play more consistently in all facets of the game.
Career Potential:  Big-minute defenseman with excellent size and skating ability.

So, since y’all know more than me, is he a top 3 defenseman? 3 more years at $4.5 million cap hit doesn’t sound bad.

Posted by Bugsy on 07/02/13 at 06:35 PM ET

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Yeah, Philly’s over the cap and still don’t have a goalie.

Posted by AZWinger on 07/02/13 at 06:36 PM ET

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RWB, they can always put Pronger on LTIR too.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/02/13 at 07:29 PM ET

Thats true, but realistically, they still need a No. 1 goalie

Posted by Hootinani on 07/02/13 at 06:37 PM ET

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Like the one sammy got and the one cleary had and will get again.  Didnt bert get one?  I think Gus got one too..

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 06:39 PM ET

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This really does get tiring.  Every summer it’s “all prices are way to high and we have to save money for the trade deadline” then at the trade deadline it’s “all prices are way to high, we’ll just wait for July when we don’t have to give up any assets, just money.”  It’s a never ending cycle, and the problem is Kenny just hopes UFA’s sign for way below market value or other teams to not actually want any return in a trade.

I guess we may as well just accept reality, the philosophy went from expecting Cups to hoping to make the playoffs.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 07/02/13 at 06:44 PM ET

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Well, there are still a lot of buy-outs available out there.  Perhaps we’ll get another surprise quality guy set loose.  At least we know Philly can’t snipe another one, right?

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 06:44 PM ET

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Exactly John. The Great DRW Circle Jerk.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 06:49 PM ET

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I’ve kept out of commenting until something solid looked to be decided in this mess.  Dallas didn’t make sense for Vinny at all.  Nashville even less.

But Philly?  Over the cap again.  No goalie.  No room for Giroux to get a raise next year unless the cap jumps a lot.

And this constant BS with Pronger and LTIR.  What a damn joke.  His buyout or retirement should of been mandatory.

Posted by maltby18 on 07/02/13 at 06:52 PM ET

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Helene is tweeting that the Wings will buy out Cola. Sorry, couldn’t figure out how to link it.

Posted by PDXWing on 07/02/13 at 06:59 PM ET

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PDX, it is mentioned in the link I posted.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/02/13 at 07:01 PM ET

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