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Wings-Hawks post-game snippet: we’re back to ‘starting on time’ and ‘everyday’ers’

Of brief note from the post-game availabilities after the Red Wings' 5-1 loss to the Chicago Blackhawks:

Fox 2 posted an 8:18 post-game clip:

Update: Here's the Wings' post-game clip:

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dekeyser, good for a month-and-a-half.#CHIvsDET
blashill: some guys have to learn it is an everyday league.

particular conerns about two guys.

tyler bertuzzi, one.#CHIvsDET


So Lil Bert gets the Mantha bus, other not mentioned, must be a Vet.  Howard not mentioned, LMAO

Blashill is dividing this team, TIME for a new Coach

  SOME GUYS NOT READY TO GO

That is your job, FIX IT

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 01/26/18 at 12:49 AM ET

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after Petr shut out Hawks last time…it would make total sense to give him start eh ?

but NOOO… Blash goes back to JH ??  There is no reason for JH to start that game…

seems Blash fills out line-up cards with the safest, most boring, “hope I Don’t get fired !”  types of players he can… what a jack-ass !!

Blash has to go !  Seen enough….

thanks for ruining a potential enticing game against the HATED BlackHawks - what a sad display by all involved - should give fans their money back !!

Posted by BIGFOOT88 on 01/26/18 at 01:03 AM ET

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This loss isn’t anything that can’t be cured by jettisoning : Green, Kronwall, Ericson, Tatar, Nyquist, Dekeyser, Nielsen…..I think that’s everbody??  hmmm

Good to see the brain-trust is following the same old game plan by calling Bertuzzi
shut eye

Why not a little tough “love” for that pylon Green. Oh, that’s right your getting ready to trade him…..

Scotty Bowman, Toe Blake, Dick Irvin, and Al Arbour couldn’t win with the pathetic defense on this team…..

Posted by Down River Dan on 01/26/18 at 01:04 AM ET

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Blashill can only play the players at his disposal.

And I see Larkin & AA with huge minuses tonight after they (plus mrazek) blew it last time out vs. Philly.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/26/18 at 01:08 AM ET

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If I had to pick two guys who were particularly bad, I would have chosen Howard and Nyquist. If the coach specifically picks out a rookie―who, by the way, played more than his season average!―after a game like that, he needs to take a look in the mirror.

Posted by bleep bloop on 01/26/18 at 01:16 AM ET

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Which is to say…

Blashill may not be a good coach, but we all want the kids and tonight was not good for them. We have to live with these growing pains.

How did Ill Bert get caught up in Blash’s doghouse on Larkins line? And I dont think Bert’ s minutes suffered like AA’s did in the past.

To be fair though,
I think it’s possible that Blashill reamed Larkin/AA for the Philly OT goal, and along with lol Bert suffering the residual impact, it turned their game south.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/26/18 at 01:21 AM ET

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Some guys not ready to go.

Da fuq is that? How have guys made it to the nhl that are unable to be ready when the puck drops?

Posted by SlimChance on 01/26/18 at 02:12 AM ET

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Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 01/25/18 at 11:49 PM ET

I don’t disagree. Blash has slowly been losing the team, it seems. The thing is, if there’s a problem with guys being ready to go, it’s the coach’s faulf first. We played a game tonight where (while I was able to watch, anyway) the boys spent more time gliding than skating, and putting forth no effort to at least give the impression that the team isn’t completely useless.

 

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 01/26/18 at 05:10 AM ET

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Wings got their hats handed to them. This is real tough to watch. People on the team claiming some guy’s wernt ready is totally embarrassing. How the hell can you not be motivated to play the Blackhawks?

Motivation comes from the top down… its a head/heart issue and they had better get it straightened out asap.

The Wings have some speed too…  I didn’t see it last night. The Hawks were the hungrier bunch and it showed in a glairing, obvious fashion.

I’m kinda pissed.

Posted by Will from Toledo on 01/26/18 at 06:39 AM ET

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Good loss to not gain any ground over the teams that also lost last night. Plus it allowed Edmonton to jump a point ahead. Keep it going, the more lottery balls the better.

Posted by Manthanasiou87 on 01/26/18 at 07:54 AM ET

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...and the implosion begins in earnest

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie, MI on 01/26/18 at 09:14 AM ET

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Wash, rinse, repeat. Ad nauseam.

Heavy on the nauseam when Blash is involved.

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 01/26/18 at 09:48 AM ET

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Coach lost the team because he called out a rookie for not being ready for the game?

Newsflash, that’s part of his job, to teach young players and to beat bad habits out of them. And yes, vets get more leniency than young players.

Look at what his tough love did for AA.

Posted by George0211 on 01/26/18 at 09:56 AM ET

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I hate that my phone changes “lil bert” to “lol bert.”

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/26/18 at 10:19 AM ET

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A rudderless locker room with no leadership.  A locker room with cliques and favorites, especially Swedes.  This team is a joke

Posted by bababooey on 01/26/18 at 10:20 AM ET

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Those three quick goals pretty much sealed the game. The Wings never recovered. The first one was just a bad break, deflected off Kronwall’s stick and in. It happens, no one is really to blame. The second and third I like to see Howard maybe get one of those, but I can’t say they were “bad” goals. The team did get some scoring chances, hit some posts, but it just felt like they were never going to come back from the deficit. Mrazek looked dialed in though and played very well once he came in.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 10:37 AM ET

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Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 09:37 AM ET

Agreed.  Howard has no chance on the first one.  I’m not surprised the second one goes in (why don’t more shooters aim for the spot under the armpit???).  After those two quick goals, it was over.

The Wings started okay for the first 3 mins or so, but the Hawks just sort of took over and were skating down hill the rest of the time.  With Chicago having played 3 games in 4 nights, the Wings had the perfect opportunity to apply a heavy forecheck and wear them down…especially at home.  Even if they didn’t play offensively for the first 2 periods, they could have exploited a tired team. 

Instead, the Wings watched these guys skate around them. 

By the way, I was listening to the Hawks broadcast (unfortunately) and they were incredulous that the goal by Keith didn’t count (when Duclair was in the net).  I mean, they were just completely dumbfounded.

Posted by TreKronor on 01/26/18 at 11:01 AM ET

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Absolutely embarrassing loss.

Howard loses 3 straight coming into this game while Mrazek has two consecutive shutouts followed by a VERY solid performance in Philly aside from the OT goal and because he didn’t play *great* in Blash’s eyes they go back to Howard… who lets in 3 goals in the first and gets pulled anyway.

AA and Larkin were crap tonight, Bert needs to finish his chances, the defense was awful aside from DeKeyser and Ericsson (can’t believe those words are coming out of my mouth) particularly the man with the declining trade value Mike Green.

On the plus side, Z looks like hes in the same hero-level midseason form from last year, and Mantha seems to have finally shaken that nagging injury he was dealing with for apparently much longer than he sat for it. He was all over the place and making plays. He got rewarded appropriately for it. Nyquist was meh, and Tatar is looking more like a $2m/yr forward than a $5m/yr forward.

So many blind giveaway passes in the neutral zone, so many shit breakouts because our forwards try to fly before our hapless defense can find a gap in the two-man forecheck.

Let’s get something straight right now, if all a team has to do to DOMINATE you is send one extra forechecker into the zone, you don’t deserve the playoffs, you won’t win games or series when you get there, and you DESPERATELY need to rebuild.

If this isn’t enough cause for concern to make Ken Holland put down his golf clubs and actually commit to a rebuild this year while we still have a chance to actually be competitive (not Holland’s idea of competitive, REAL competitive), then he should just retire because there is no way in hell I would hire a guy like that.

There is no injury excuse, your key contributors have barely been injured at all. Kronwall, Zetterberg, Green, Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha, and Larkin have all played essentially the entire season. The guys who have missed excessive time to injury like Helm (who we have for another 50% of 3 more years because you know he won’t complete a season), Abdelkader, and Glendening amount to at most secondary scoring and probably wouldn’t even be playing in Helm and Glendening’s case on a good team. DeKeyser has been out for a while but he’s made it clear over the last two seasons he doesn’t deserve the salary he makes either.

This team is an absolute mess with severe holes in the roster and veterans so bad that the omnipresent veteran double standard that exists throughout the NHL takes on a toxic level of impact on this team.

Ken Holland has tried for more than a few years now to drag this team into the playoffs by sacrificing its future to sign washed-up journeymen in the hopes he can embarrass this once proud franchise time and again by getting bounced in the first round by teams like Boston, who have somehow managed to rebuild in a couple of years around their senior talent after manhandling us in the playoffs, and by his own protege Steve Yzerman, who after leaving the organization because Kenny was too stubborn to take his promotion and let the man he trained and groomed for this job take over, proceeded to build a team in Tampa Bay which wipes the floor with us every chance it gets. It’s time to GO.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 01/26/18 at 11:03 AM ET

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The Howard/Mrazek debate for this past game is just sour grapes.  Neither goalie is stopping those first 2 or 3 goals.  Neither goalie. 

It’s not on the goalies…it’s on the other five guys who were watching the game about as leisurely as I was.

Posted by TreKronor on 01/26/18 at 11:06 AM ET

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By the way, I was listening to the Hawks broadcast (unfortunately) and they were incredulous that the goal by Keith didn’t count (when Duclair was in the net).  I mean, they were just completely dumbfounded.

Wow, talk about bias. Even the NBCSN crew said it was an obvious no goal. How did they think it should have counted? Duclair was in the net and Mrazek couldn’t properly position himself at all…how is there even a debate lol? Thankfully the refs weren’t that dumb. Just curious, what was their reasoning?

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 11:08 AM ET

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Just curious, what was their reasoning?

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 10:08 AM ET

They said Duclair got pushed into the net and Mrazek wouldn’t let him out.

Did he get pushed into the net?  I don’t think so.  I think both players equally battled into that position. 

Did Mrazek not let him out?  I don’t know…that’s not really Petr’s job.  Petr’s job is to stop the puck from entering the net, so he assumed a position to prevent the puck from entering the net and it just so happened that a Blackhawk was behind him.  Should Petr have been the nice guy and said, “hey man, come on out real quick?”  Apparently. 

Actually, I was surprised Keith shot the puck at his own player the way he did.  That’s what I was most surprised about.

Posted by TreKronor on 01/26/18 at 11:16 AM ET

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Mrazek was definitely doing his best to…subtly interfere…with Duclair. smile

Bert needs to finish his chances

Agree, but then again, I don’t think he is supposed to be much of a “finisher.” Yeah, he’s gotta bury his opportunities, but he is being thrust in a bigger scoring role than he is ready or skilled enough to be put in.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/26/18 at 11:24 AM ET

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Actually, I was surprised Keith shot the puck at his own player the way he did.  That’s what I was most surprised about.

That’s a great point that I hadn’t even considered. Imagine if that had hit Duclair right in the face as he’s on the ice behind Petr. That was actually a very dangerous play by Keith now that you mention it. As for Petr not letting him out, I agree with you 100% on that too…the Hawks had full possession of the puck. Mrazek couldn’t move out of his goalie stance to let Duclair out. He would have been vulnerable to being scored on. It was a correct no goal call, and everyone knew except the two bozos you had the misfortune of listening to.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 11:24 AM ET

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The real story is the who’s who of the -3s and -4s last night, but of course, those guys are not being discussed today, I wonder who and why? Ohhh HHHT favs outside of Kronwall got it, hush hush nothign to see here err… blashill…. errr howard.  I wonder what the forum would look like today if Big E sported a -4 last night.

Howard wasn’t great but leaving guys wide open to snipe from the slot, or to stop redirected pucks by your dman is a touch much to ask from any goalie. 

The reality is this team lives and dies on a line of kids now, they drive this team’s bus because Tatar and Nyquist do not. Sometimes those kids show up, sometimes they do not, and that happens with young kids.

Whether Blashill is fired tomorrow seasons end or comes back, I 200% support him chomping on the tender ends of our rookies to show the eff up and be professionals, because that is not only what they need to hear, its correctable, and will pay dividends when they are in their prime and ready to compete for real night in night out.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 01/26/18 at 11:33 AM ET

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Whether Blashill is fired tomorrow seasons end or comes back, I 200% support him chomping on the tender ends of our rookies to show the eff up and be professionals, because that is not only what they need to hear, its correctable, and will pay dividends when they are in their prime and ready to compete for real night in night out.

I would have no problem with this if he called out everyone equally. Many of the Wings’ vets have issues with showing up night in and night out as well. It isn’t just the kids.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 11:38 AM ET

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Not to defend Blash, but how many times did we hear the same “we weren’t ready” line from Babcock during his last few years. It’s an organizational issue as much as it is the head coach. KH’s mediocrity trickles down on everyone.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 01/26/18 at 11:54 AM ET

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Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 01/26/18 at 10:54 AM ET

Its said often by almost every team in the NHL.  for fun google “start on time (insert any coach)” you’ll see what I mean.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 01/26/18 at 12:00 PM ET

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Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 10:38 AM ET

I think some fans confuse talent/ability and errors with showing up.

No offense, but you don’t know, nor do i.  who isn’t showing up or ready.  Are you in the room? Are you watching them prepare, know how each person in that room focuses in? Maybe bert was spaced out ahead of time, clowning while everyone else was prepping.  Did you watch film, know when someone was supposed to attack, or who didn’t make effort to cut off a passing lane?

Like Ericson, your not going to coach ‘em out of turning a puck over here and there, or get him to put in extra effort to score more. When he turns a puck over, is he “not trying” is calling him out in the press going to make him think about the next play, god a I hope not, he needs to think less.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 01/26/18 at 12:08 PM ET

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Good points, Murray. Some guys just don’t have the talent or ability to make an impact night and night out, no matter how focused they are. And there is no doubt there are games where Mantha or AA just don’t look engaged. I just find it curious that I don’t think there has ever been one time where Blashill has publicly criticized a veteran player in his two and half seasons as coach.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 12:22 PM ET

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Its said often by almost every team in the NHL.  for fun google “start on time (insert any coach)” you’ll see what I mean.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 01/26/18 at 11:00 AM ET

Or some other similar characterization. Mental preparation is on the players first. This is not Friday Night Lights where a coach is supposed to fire up his squad. Pros are responsible for inspiring themselves night after night. If they can’t then they are bad pros. Stevie is a great example of self motivating and we all use him as an example of an inspiring player. I doubt any of his coaches pulled him aside every game and inspired him.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/26/18 at 12:25 PM ET

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Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 11:22 AM ET

The other thing to consider is the questions he’s answering that result in the sound bite. Most of the calling out comes in a response to a question on that players night.  Do the masses really want to know about Blashill’s thoughts on some plugger like Glenny or Booth, or the new young guns that are fun and exciting to watch. If I had the opportunity to get 2 or 3 questions in for an article people would read, I know who I’d ask about.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 01/26/18 at 12:35 PM ET

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I don’t think there has ever been one time where Blashill has publicly criticized a veteran player in his two and half seasons as coach.
Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 11:22 AM ET

Kermit, no offense, but have you ever tried to teach an old dog new tricks? That’s a saying for a reason. Remember that Seabrook was recently scratched and a few people around here said that was the right approach? Well, It didn’t really make an impact on him or the team. Sure, 3 points in 7 games is alright for Dman, but it’s pretty easy to single out 7 games and find him making 3 points in those games this season.

Older players need different kinds of motivation then younger players. I’ve said this, Murray has said this, and a few others have too. I’m not sure why this is difficult to understand. Maybe, you don’t have kids, or employees…..to understand how to motivate people. Maybe, the next time you are at work (or school) take a look around you and imagine what it would take to motivate each of 23 individuals there. Would they all require the same strong words or does each worker (classmate) need different kinds of attention? Now imagine being that person who has to motivate each of them. It’s a hard task to do. Have you ever wondered why most school districts limit the number of kids per classroom?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/26/18 at 12:36 PM ET

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True Murray, he is often asked about the young guys. Context is important. Thinking back, I’m not sure there are that many questions asked about any of the vets really. So perhaps this is the reason for that.

Howe, I don’t have children, no. I have, however, been a project lead several times at work. I agree 100% that different people are motivated different ways. But I have to also be honest that the people I work with don’t really have a problem with motivation, at least not when I was on projects with them. Sure, some days you just aren’t having a good day at work, it happens to all of us. But for the most part, everyone came in, did their jobs, and I had to do very little as far as motivating. So I can’t say I’ve had much experience with that. I do have two nieces and a nephew, and I definitely see based on each of their unique personalities how they need different approaches as far as discipline and things like that. In sum, I understand your point. It just always frustrates me a bit listening to Blashill speak.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 12:56 PM ET

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By the way, I was listening to the Hawks broadcast (unfortunately) and they were incredulous that the goal by Keith didn’t count (when Duclair was in the net).  I mean, they were just completely dumbfounded.

Although the Slackhawk announcers were obvious homers about the call, they are no way as bad as the Pittsburgh announcers. Hurts my ears. mad

Posted by bigfrog on 01/26/18 at 11:32 PM ET

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