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What To Do With Ian White?

from Carlos Manorrez of the Detroit Free Press,

Ian White has not asked the Detroit Red Wings to trade him. But he has asked general manager Ken Holland and coach Mike Babcock how he figures into the team’s plans.

White is scheduled to be a healthy scratch for the fifth straight game tonight, against the visiting Edmonton Oilers. He hasn’t played since he was minus-2 in 23 shifts against the Vancouver Canucks on Feb. 24.

“No, we’re not there yet. We’re not there yet,” White said of trade talk after today's morning skate. “But I was just voicing this is game five, and you play so many games in such a fast period that it can get away from you pretty quick. You look, after the weekend, it’ll be seven straight games if you don’t play.

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The defense certainly has played better since White was removed from the rotation, so is there any reason to change it now?

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I wonder what White and a prospect might fetch on the trade market?  Perhaps a Vishnovski or Streit from the Islanders?  Either would be what the Wings are looking for in a top 4 D-man.

Posted by calquake on 03/07/13 at 01:27 PM ET

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Lubo Visnovsky from the Isles.  Pretty please?

Posted by SYF from The Revenge of Johnny E on 03/07/13 at 01:31 PM ET

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Also the prospect would have to be someone like Tatar or Sheahan or Jarnkrok.  Not saying I want to do this but you have to give to get.

Posted by calquake on 03/07/13 at 01:35 PM ET

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Once again, a player under contract worth more to the team he’s on than to the other 29 teams in the league. Keep scratching him and he’s worth less and less too…..
The idea of giving up a prospect with an upside to get rid of someone like White kinda pisses me off.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 03/07/13 at 01:48 PM ET

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He’s got enough a resume to be worth something, but I’m not confident that the Wings would get anything more then a mid-range pick, possibly a low 2nd rounder at best.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 03/07/13 at 01:49 PM ET

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he is too good to be on the bench. really mind boggling that kindle is in and white is out. id rather see kindle packaged in a trade out of town than white. white is a top 4 guy.

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 03/07/13 at 01:50 PM ET

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Once again, a player under contract worth more to the team he’s on than to the other 29 teams in the league. Keep scratching him and he’s worth less and less too…..
The idea of giving up a prospect with an upside to get rid of someone like White kinda pisses me off.

First off, he’s a healthy scratch for the fifth game in a row tonight.  What makes you think he’s worth anything to the Wings.

Second, would it be better to play him just for the sake of playing him even though the defense has been better without him?

Third, they don’t

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to give up anything to get rid of him, they can keep him around and let him walk in the summer.  Or, if they are interested in upgrading the defense, he could simply be added to the mix as a salary/roster dump.

The idea of playing him just because he has a contract, even though the team has been better without him pisses me off.

Posted by Garth on 03/07/13 at 01:53 PM ET

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really mind boggling that kindle is in and white is out.

Unless you’ve been watching the Wings this season.

white is a top 4 guy.

Unless you’ve seen him play this season without Lidstrom beside him.

Posted by Garth on 03/07/13 at 01:54 PM ET

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Kindl**

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 03/07/13 at 01:55 PM ET

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Unless you’ve been watching the Wings this season.

he needs to play on one of the top 2 units, not as a 5/6 guy.

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 03/07/13 at 01:58 PM ET

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I dont mind the trade, but I’m not convinced he beeing scratched was the reason our D improved
It makes no sense, I dont see how he could have had that kind of impact

Besides, I really think hes a decent player, he should at least be given another opportunity

Posted by Zqto on 03/07/13 at 01:58 PM ET

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there are at least 3 other wings d-men who when making a breakout pass, scare the crap out of me, much more than when Ian White does. He’s a good hockey player

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 03/07/13 at 02:05 PM ET

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Posted by Garth on 03/07/13 at 01:53 PM ET

No where did I say he should be playing over any of the other 6 we’ve iced the last few games, that was your addition. He’s worth something to us as we’re paying him a salary, nothing like paying for something you don’t use nor want to use. It’s clear Uncle Mike is done with him for all intents and purposes, but given the rotating door in the infirmary this year… an extra somewhat able body is nice to have so we don’t have to look for another Huskins band aid for the roster.
I’d be fine with letting him walk or trading for a pick of some sort, I just don’t want to see a prospect bundled up with him just to get rid of him.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 03/07/13 at 02:08 PM ET

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I’d be fine with letting him walk or trading for a pick of some sort, I just don’t want to see a prospect bundled up with him just to get rid of him

does anyone actually think that whites value has plummeted to the point that we would have to bundle him with a prospect to get rid of him?? no way. the new york rangers just claimed roman hamrlik off of waivers, even at his salary. i think a lot of teams would be interested in white.

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 03/07/13 at 02:12 PM ET

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I’d be fine with letting him walk or trading for a pick of some sort, I just don’t want to see a prospect bundled up with him just to get rid of him.

It wouldn’t be “just to get rid of him”. That would just be a bonus since he’ll walk this offseason anyway. The point is to get something useful in return that makes the team better. I don’t understand the confusion here.

nothing like paying for something you don’t use nor want to use.

Exactly! So trade him.

Posted by godblender on 03/07/13 at 02:12 PM ET

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does anyone actually think that whites value has plummeted to the point that we would have to bundle him with a prospect to get rid of him??

Well yeah…If you expect someone other than an old, injured stop-gap like Sammy or Cola in return.

Posted by godblender on 03/07/13 at 02:15 PM ET

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Well yeah…If you expect someone other than an old, injured stop-gap like Sammy or Cola in return.

i think you’re missing the point… if Ken were gonna move him, it wouldn’t be for a stop gap player or another Ian White, it would be for prospects or lets say 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 03/07/13 at 02:21 PM ET

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Am I the only one wathcing the games lately?  I have not seen an “improved” defense yet.  Ericsson and Kronwall continue to cough up the puck, Kindl still looks clueless on the o-zone blueline, and Howie is facing a ridiculous amount of shots, many of which are high quality scoring chances.  As a matter of fact, those stops are the only reason we aren’t all still bitchin to high heaven about the D, because they are all still making the same mistakes, and getting caught in their own zone for way to long.

In my mind, Smith and Lashoff are the only ones living up to expectations.  So enough with the mind games, give White a shot back on the top 4 and let him prove he can still contribute.

Posted by Hootinani on 03/07/13 at 02:35 PM ET

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Posted by Hootinani from Just outside Delta College Admissions Office

You seen to be overreacting
Last game our D was bad, specially at the end. Start of the game was good for our D…
But they played pretty good on the last 3 games before that (CHI, SJ and LA)

Posted by Zqto on 03/07/13 at 02:40 PM ET

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If white is a top 4 guy, shouldn’t he be better at 5/6 than someone who doesn’t have as much skill? I’m not going to say it’s time Kindl was a top pair guy, but the only time white looked decent to me was when he was Lidstrom’s partner last year. With any other partner he had been very unimpressive. I don’t understand thinking a guy is a “top 4 guy” when he looks like dog meat when he’s not paired with the best defensive player in the history of the nhl.
Trade him to a contending team at the deadline for a second rounder.

Posted by teldar on 03/07/13 at 02:40 PM ET

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He’s worth something to us as we’re paying him a salary

Just because they’re paying him doesn’t mean he’s worth anything to them.  The fact that they’re paying him and not using him is evidence of that.

Posted by Garth on 03/07/13 at 02:40 PM ET

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just because our goals against is down doesn’t mean that our D has been better, over the last 5 games our goalies have been great, D, not so much. it used to be our D making our goalies look good in Detroit, right now its the other way around.

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 03/07/13 at 02:46 PM ET

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People have to stop comparing any D man against Lidstrom. #1 No point in it, he isnt here, its past, move on. And #2 you SHOULD be judging them on their merits. The best 3 D men we have playing right now are(in no order) Lashoff, Smith, and Ericsson(yep even with the over the glass goof, every dman gets that eventually). Kronwall doesnt seem himself and is playing what I call “cautious defense.” He’s playing NOT to screw up instead of hitting and doing the things that has made him who he is in the past. When he is paired with Ericsson is when he plays the best. Ericsson is starting to stay at home and is a beast on the boards in the corners. Now does White deserve another chance? Yea I think he does indeed. Kindl isnt consistent enough for the ice time he gets. But a benefit of giving White some ice time right now would be the trade factor. Lets see what comes at trade time. Because you know tick tock wont budge until its too late and all the “worthy” trades are gobbled up.

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 03/07/13 at 02:56 PM ET

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The best 3 D men we have playing right now are(in no order) Lashoff, Smith, and Ericsson(yep even with the over the glass goof, every dman gets that eventually). Kronwall doesnt seem himself and is playing what I call “cautious defense.”

Agreed on both points.

I’m willing to gve Kronwall some slack because he’s going from #3 D to #1 D and obviously that’s a huge adjustment.

But a benefit of giving White some ice time right now would be the trade factor.

But a detriment is that they’re playing well with the roster they have.  Are they playing amazingly?  No, but they’re playing better than when White was in the lineup and in this short season you can’t tinker too much when something’s working for you.

The offense, on the other hand…

Posted by Garth on 03/07/13 at 03:11 PM ET

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yea the offense, exactly. The backend has improved no question, now if we could just score some damned goals to get some relief. Nudge nudge Uncle Mike. Fix that first line!

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 03/07/13 at 03:16 PM ET

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Am I the only one wathcing the games lately?

Maybe. Let’s see….

In my mind, Smith and Lashoff are the only ones living up to expectations.

Well then…. I’m certainly not convinced.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/07/13 at 03:17 PM ET

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Because you know tick tock wont budge until its too late and all the “worthy” trades are gobbled up.
Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 03/07/13 at 02:56 PM ET

This ^^^^

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 03/07/13 at 03:19 PM ET

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Well, they budged on Suter and Parise and that would be the talk of hockeytown right now if we had landed them and they performed as they have.

Posted by TKShreve from East Uptown on 03/07/13 at 03:32 PM ET

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Well, they budged on Suter and Parise and that would be the talk of hockeytown right now if we had landed them and they performed as they have.

Posted by TKShreve on 03/07/13 at 03:32 PM ET

and good luck to Leopold building a roster with no money left from here to eternity.

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 03/07/13 at 03:34 PM ET

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and good luck to Leopold building a roster with no money left from here to eternity.

We’d be in the same boat, no?

Posted by TKShreve from East Uptown on 03/07/13 at 03:37 PM ET

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and good luck to Leopold building a roster with no money left from here to eternity.

We’d be in the same boat, no?

Posted by TKShreve on 03/07/13 at 03:37 PM ET

not really, if you recall Kenny underbid on each of them by about $10 mil(which really is a blessing in disguise due to the lowering of the cap)

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 03/07/13 at 03:43 PM ET

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not really, if you recall Kenny underbid on each of them by about $10 mil(which really is a blessing in disguise due to the lowering of the cap)

Frankly, I’m convinced we would have seen a different product if they had decided on Detroit anyway.

funny, because Minnesota went from a blah team all the way to Blah

Posted by TKShreve from East Uptown on 03/07/13 at 03:46 PM ET

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The idea of playing him just because he has a contract, even though the team has been better without him pisses me off.

Posted by Garth on 03/07/13 at 01:53 PM ET

This, for sure. This might be the only time since Babcock was hired that he’s gone hard against a contract in favor of a pure hockey decision. In the past, when the team was better and the playoffs were a given, it wasn’t a big deal to let the veterans you know you’d need to ride out their slumps. But in a shortened season, post-Lidstrom, fighting for the post-season, you have to make the best lineup you can every night, regardless of a given player’s status, contract, etc.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 03/07/13 at 03:50 PM ET

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I agree they would have thrived here better, but would Parise play with abby and cleary? lol

since we are talking turkey, i’ll go back to the trade stuff. We need a Dman and a scorer. I’m looking in NYI direction for the moment. I wonder what kind of package it would take to get Streit, and Moulson?  Yea, Matt Moulson, the guy you never heard of who scores like a machine and flies under the radar. Cap hit is cheap enough and doable. Streit, a solid choice, but he is a rental for now as hes a UFA after the year. Would he sign for a 5 yr deal or test the market? Love to know his intentions. Visnovsky, another good deal but his cost is much higher and again a UFA(which likely means his cost will go above his current 5.6). Ouch!

Fil, White, Abby? or Mule? and a prospect(unfortunately). Your thoughts?

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 03/07/13 at 03:52 PM ET

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Seems as if the Isle likes their direction right now. They’ve had some mild moments of success this year and JT is embracing his role as a leader and a motivator. Do they wanna bust it up and keep the “rebuilding” phase a constant?

Would love Moulson and Visnovsky as an add fwiw. Hasn’t Streit been a china doll? Or better yet a DiPietro Doll?

Posted by TKShreve from East Uptown on 03/07/13 at 03:57 PM ET

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Keep White till the deadline, if we’re still looking healthy I’d see what could be offered. If nothing fair as far as improving our team just keep him for depth incase of late season or playoff(godwilling) injury, then let him walk in the offseason.

Posted by Crater from SoCal on 03/07/13 at 04:06 PM ET

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kenny needs to make a good deadline deal. if you look at recent winners- boston, LA- they made late season deals that paid dividends. if only he wasn’t so stubborn

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 03/07/13 at 04:10 PM ET

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Ericsson has been nothing less than stellar this season. Kindl has come around the last couple weeks and is definitely outplaying White.

Ian White looked like a top 4 dman last year when he was with Lids. When he was moved off of Lids line he dropped off the face of the earth.

White also has a history of being shipped off very quickly and being a healthy scratch on other teams. It actually didn’t make any sense once he arrived in Detroit and fit in so well. Now we’re seeing why. He seems to have a whiny side we hadn’t been privy to till now. That never goes over well in locker rooms like ours. He also has been utterly ineffective without Lidstrom.

But he’s also a UFA to be and is worth about zero on the trade market. We could probably package him with a star prospect in order to open/fill roster spots for both teams, but his “value” is little to none as a rental.

Also, calling Holland “stubborn” at the deadline is so incredibly nearsighted - first of all, Holland has made more deadline blockbusters than about anyone. His last great one was Stuart which helped lead to a cup. But the thing is, all of those rentals have cost us big time. We’ve lost a lot of great prospects and draft picks in order to get Lang, Bertuzzi, Schneider, Stuie, etc. Great GM’s know when to hold em and know when to fold em. Some seasons you feel like you’re a player or two away from the cup and you sell the farm. Other seasons you accept that it’s about as close to a rebuilding period as we will have and you are patient. Fair weather fans want everything immediately, which I do understand, but the fact is if there’s a solid deal to be done that will improve the team this year AND into the future, he will do it. If there’s only a handful of average players that 20 teams are competing to get for way too high of prices, it would most definitely behoove him to pass and improve the team in the summer. That’s not stubbornness, it’s good managing. Sometimes a deal’s in the best interest of the team, other times it’s not. You act like trades are ALWAYS good. Even if there’s a top 4 dman available, do you honestly think we are one dman away from being a cup favorite?

I just want us to make the playoffs. After that, you never know. Goalies can steal series. Injuries happen, pucks bounce in off people in double OT’s. It almost doesn’t matter who you are if you just make the playoffs. Pretty much anyone can beat anyone. I’m not saying I like our chances obviously, but I also don’t think we’re one player away from improving them all that much. I’d much rather keep our prospects this time around. As someone pointed out above, the ONLY way you will get an impact player is by trading an impact player. For us to get a top 4 dman or a top 6 forward we would certainly have to give up AT LEAST one of the prospects we all treasure. And unless we can score a top 2 dman with a longterm contract, that’s just not worth it this season.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 03/07/13 at 04:26 PM ET

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I am so sick of the people that are saying to trade Kindl and keep White. It’s a stupid idea.

White looks awful without Lidstrom.

Kindl looks like a player that was picked with a top 20 draft choice (size at 6’3” 216 lbs, speed, passing ability, and grit). He looks like a 2nd d-pairing guy and Babcock obviously sees it too increasing his minutes esp in close games (Hawks and Avs).

He is making better decisions with the puck and being able to either headman the puck or skate it out of trouble). He has been able to move bodies in front of Howard. He is starting to remind me of Jiri Fischer.

Anyone saying to keep White and trade Kindl is saying silly things. I agree with Babcock that White is the odd guy out and the #7 d-man….and he could be the #8 d-man soon.

White’s trade value would be less than the Pylon’s to Nashville (maybe a 3rd rounder) as he isn’t solid defensive-d-man and would only be a rental.

Posted by d ca on 03/07/13 at 06:47 PM ET

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