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What About Dan Cleary And Stephen Weiss?

Ansar Khan of Mlive answered numerous questions today...

Q: My question/problem is this Dan Cleary situation. I don't understand Ken Holland's issue in speaking with him to "possibly" bring him back for one more year. The excuse is that he had offers three years back from three teams. From every non-Detroit based source, I had read that those contracts were all based on if he made the team out of camp, which is why I believe he chose to "come back" to Detroit.

A: The Red Wings might sign Cleary, but I don't think he'll be on their roster. They could assign him to the Grand Rapids Griffins and they'd receive up to $950,000 of cap relief. Cap space isn't an issue this season.

You are correct in stating Cleary did not have any guaranteed offers in 2013. He said the offer he received from the Philadelphia Flyers was for a training camp tryout.

Q: Are the Red Wings going to buy out Weiss?

A: I don't think so. They have debated this internally and opinions are divided. The buyout period ends on Tuesday. Ultimately, they don't want him on their cap for the next six seasons if he's not playing for them, even though it would be a fraction of his $4.9 million annual salary ($1.066 million the next two seasons, $2.56 million in 2017-18 and $1.67 million for three seasons after that). They're hoping Jeff Blashill will get the most out of him. If not, they'll exercise the buyout next year.

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Reading between the lines a little, Ansar thinks:

1)  The team will pursue Green;
2)  Holland’s “tire-kicking” has extended to somewhat off-the-board guys like Byfuglien and Burns;
3)  Detroit thinks the “give” for Kessel, Belesky, Sharp at least at the moment, and O’Reilly is too much;
4)  Trades in-division (say, with Boston—Khan mentions Lucic and Eriksson) aren’t ruled out;
5)  Weiss won’t be bought out unless the team thinks it’ll REALLY need the cap space this season.

I’m pretty happy with that perspective.  I find it hard to believe Boston would trade Lucic in-division but Eriksson might be another story.  I wonder if the Bruins would be interested in uniting the Smith brothers.

Posted by captaineclectic on 06/26/15 at 07:43 AM ET


Belesky is not resigning with Anaheim so we can go after him in free agency, although he already turned down a 4 year $16 mil offer and I’m not sure I would pay much more than that (considering we will have to resign Tatar and Nyquist soon). It would only make sense if we trade Weiss, Kindl and Franzen goes on LTIR.

Buyer beware when it comes to Beleskey

Posted by mikedrw on 06/26/15 at 09:35 AM ET


I’m not interested in him at $4M+ and I don’t think Khan would’ve said he’d be a great deal at $3M unless that’s the sense he was getting from his team sources.  If we sign Belesky to a multi-year deal at $4M+ we’ll essentially be paying Abdelkader twice and giving Abdelkader the precedent he needs to demand $5M next season.

Hard pass.

Posted by captaineclectic on 06/26/15 at 09:37 AM ET


Belesky has Bickell and Clarkson written all over him. A team that will sign him to 5 year $25 mil deal will be looking to trade him/buy him out in the second year of that contract.
In the meantime, my “favorite” free agent Soderberg wants $5 mil per year and will probably get it from the Avs. Prices are insane for pretty mediocre players.

Posted by VPalmer on 06/26/15 at 09:49 AM ET

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Posted by captaineclectic on 06/26/15 at 07:43 AM ET

Great post, I agree with those points. Especially on Weiss… what can you say? Yeah, he’s underachieved, but unless there’s a surprising trade or UFA possibility (e.g. Mike Green at an unexpectedly good price) that necessitates a buyout to make the cap space, there’s no reason not to put the buyout discussion on hold to next year and see if Weiss bounces back, at least enough to be a potential trade as opposed to a buyout. At least that way, you just maybe find a “cap trade” with someone, which is better than a buyout, IMO.

It’s tough to defend Weiss, but he did have a good run of offense when he initially came back healthy. I’m not sure why it didn’t keep up. I guess that’s where Khan’s point—does Weiss mesh a little better under Blash—comes in.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 06/26/15 at 09:51 AM ET


Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 06/26/15 at 09:51 AM ET


As for Weiss’s run on offense, I think it didn’t keep up because he was split from Datsyuk.  Datsyuk is capable of making a lot of guys look good.  Bert played very well with him, for example, and Tatar, while good with Sheahan, reached another level on Datsyuk’s wing.  Even Zetterberg is a lot better on Datsyuk’s wing than at center or when we occasionally used him as Filpulla’s winger.

The problem is that Datsyuk only has two wings.  Weiss was acquired to anchor the second line and allow Z to play with Pavel, and so far he hasn’t been able to do that.  I know some will say he wasn’t given the chance (of course he was in early 2013-14), but his in-game usage doesn’t prove that Babcock never played with the lines in practice or that Babcock’s decision-making was irrational. 

Maybe he will be able to center the third line behind Sheahan or otherwise prove useful.  He can be bought out next season if need be.

Posted by captaineclectic on 06/26/15 at 10:10 AM ET


The Colorado Avalanche have signed Carl Soderberg to a five-year, $23.75 million contract.

Posted by VPalmer on 06/26/15 at 11:04 AM ET

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I am more pissed that Cleary will take a roster spot from my DOG!!!  Go away Cleary, if all he wants is $$$ pay him to outside of the Cap.  Washroom GM, or something!!!  Weiss I don’t know?  I liked him before he came to the Wings but now things have degraded to the point where the Wings don’t want him and he doesn’t want the Wings and has very low trade value and a high Cap hit.  I will let Holland deal with this mess.

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 06/26/15 at 11:55 AM ET


I just hope KH will announce Cleary signing asap so we can get our anger out and start talking about other things. I have no doubts Cleary already has the contract with KH agreed upon. That’s really sad, but I believe this to be a reality.

Posted by VPalmer on 06/26/15 at 12:05 PM ET

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Cleary needs to bow out gracefully and accept a coaching or scouting job in GR.

Weiss should get one more chance, if only to lessen the blow on the buyout next year.

Holland shouldn’t make any trades that don’t make sense and he should really consider being happy with the guys he has. wink

Posted by awould on 06/26/15 at 12:54 PM ET

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Truthfully, I can’t even see why Cleary is even in the conversation.

If he wants to play, go the UFA route and see who is interested.  I would be surprised if a team would have interest.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/26/15 at 12:57 PM ET

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ABC. Anybody. But. Cleary!

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 06/26/15 at 01:23 PM ET

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