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Updated 8x at 7:40 PM: Holy crap, per TSN’s Bob McKenzie, the Colorado Avalanche just acquired Steve Downie from Tampa Bay for Kyle Quincey, and Quincey was flopped to Detroit:

I am now hearing TB has traded Kyle Quincey to DET. Working on details but sounds like Quincey to DET for a first-round pick. Verifyin.
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Confirmed. TB trades Kyle Quincey for DET’s first round pick.

TSN’s Gord Miller confirms…

After acquiring him from Col for Downie, TB turns around and sends Kyle Quincey to Detroit for the Wings 1st round pick in 2012.

ESPn’s Pierre LeBrun, MLive’s Ansar Khan and Yahoo Sports’ Nicholas J. Cotsonika are confirming...

Wings drafted Quincey 132nd overall in 2003, lost him on waivers in ‘08. Now they use a first-round pick to get him back.
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Wings giving up a first-round pick for Quincey tells you two things: They’re going for it, and the market is brutal.
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Also might tell you the bottom half of the first round isn’t that great this year.
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@DaveLozo is right. If Quincey fetches a late first-rounder and a prospect, what’s the price for Nash?
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Look for Quincey on Wings’ second power-play unit and third even-strength pairing.

And McKenzie reports that the Wings are giving up an ECHL’er in Sebastien Piche to complete the deal:

DET also trades minor leaguer Sebastien Piche to TB as part of the Kyle Quincey trade.

Quoth the Free Press’s Helene St. James:

Wings have been looking for gritty guy to be 6th dman.

The Left Wing Lock’s Sarah Lindenau looks on the bright side...

Quincey is an upgrade over Commie at least and at this point Kindl too…

And the Sporting News’s Jesse Spector adds this...

Also important to note that getting #RedWings first-rounder is a little like second-rounder. It should be in the 25-30 range.

And Dennis from the Fourth Period digs it…

Team with only one regular with minus rating (Holmstrom) just got a little richer with Kyle Quincey. DET making all the right moves.

Here’s more from McKenzie…

DET likes/knows Quincey, former Wing. Good insurance if Brad Stuart goes to UFA or Lidstrom retires, tho many in DET think Nick comes back.

A bit from Craig Custance...

By trading for RFA defenseman rather than rental, Red Wings in better shape if Brad Stuart leaves on July 1 to head back west.

And a wise reality check from FSD’s Trevor Thompson:

#RedWings took Kyle Quincey 132nd overall in ‘03, put him on waivers in ‘08, now give up a 1st rd pick to get him back = #SellersMarket

Update #1: here’s what the Detroit News’s Ted Kulfan has to say…

The Wings know what Kyle Quincey can do…He can definitely add to what they have on D right now. An acquisition that adds to their depth
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Quincey is a RFA, and only 26, he’s good insurance this summer if Stuart leaves as an UFA - which increasingly sure does look like he’ll do.

Per Capgeek:

Quincey’s cap hit is $3.125 million, which barely dents the #RedWings ample cap space.
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With Sebastien Piche going to TB, #RedWings have 51 contracts. One is junior goalie Petr Mrazek, who doesn’t count toward 50-man limit.

Per Capgeek, Quincey is now 26, he’s a restricted free agent after this season, and he’s posted 5 goals, 18 assists and 23 points for the Avs over the course of 52 regular season games.

Sayeth FSD’s John Keating:

Wings always tell young players sent away, “go play and we’ll get you back someday”. Kyle Quincey back after 3 way deal with Avs and TB.
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Wing-Again D-man, Kyle Quincey will be in the Wings lineup Thurs at home vs. Vancouver. Wings will go with Kindl as 6th D-man tonite in Chi
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Remember the Wings didn’t want to lose Quincey in 2008.Tried to slip him thru waivers to GR and Kings claimed him. His game took off there.

Update #2: Here’s the Bolts’ release:

TAMPA BAY – The Tampa Bay Lightning have acquired a first-round pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft as well as defenseman Sebastien Piche in a three-team trade today, Vice President and General Manager Steve Yzerman announced.  The Lightning traded forward Steve Downie to the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for defenseman Kyle Quincey.  Tampa Bay then sent Quincey to the Detroit Red Wings in exchange for their first-round pick and Piche. 

The Lightning now have two first-round picks in 2012 along with a maximum of four and a minimum of three selections in the second round. 

Piche, 6-foot, 202 pounds, has played in 42 career AHL games with the Grand Rapids Griffins, recording five points (0-5-5).  This season he has played in 22 games, notching three assists.  Piche signed with the Red Wings as a free agent on April 12, 2009.

Piche has been assigned to the Florida Everblades of the ECHL.

OOOOOO, interesting stuff from Helene St. James:

Little gem here: It was Yzerman who made this happen. COL didn’t want what Det offered directly, so Yzerman (TB) got Quincey (con’t)
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having pre-arranged what DET would give TB. Bear in mind, Wings 1st-round pick will be mid-20-to-30
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Per Holland: No move planned regarding Commodore. Datsyuk can go on 7-day IR if needed.
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Holland says Quincey will be available to play Thursday against Vancouver. #RedWings

Update #3: here comes the MSM. From ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun:

The Detroit Red Wings have landed Colorado Avalanche defenseman Kyle Quincey in a three-team deal with the Tampa Bay Lightning, a source confirmed to ESPN.com’s Pierre LeBrun.

In exchange for Quincey, the Avs received Lightning right wing Steve Downie and Detroit sent minor-leaguer Sebastien Piche and its first-round pick in 2012 to Tampa Bay, the source said.

Quincey, who has 18 assists and 23 points through 52 games this year, is on pace for his second-best season since entering the NHL on a full-time basis in 2008 with Los Angeles.

Detroit originally drafted Quincey 132nd overall in 2003.

The 24-year-old Downie has 12 goals and 16 assists this season for Tampa Bay.

Tampa Bay and Colorado entered Tuesday in 11th place in their respective conferences, while Detroit has the best record in the league.

Downie and Quincey are set to become restricted free agents July 1.

NHL.com is confirming, as is the Sporting News’s Sean Gentile…

The Tampa Bay Lightning aren’t just trading their own players as the NHL trade deadline approaches.

Tampa Bay on Tuesday acquired Kyle Quincey from the Colorado Avalanche for forward Steve Downie, then flipped Quincey to the Detroit Red Wings for a first-round pick and prospect Sebastien Piche.

The deal continues to tip the market in favor of sellers like the Lightning, who got second- and fourth-round picks from the Philadelphia Flyers for defenseman Pavel Kubina last week.

Quincey, 26, has five goals and eight assists in 54 games for the Avalanche, often spending time with the top power-play unit. He, like Downie, is a restricted free agent after the season and currently carries a $3.25 million cap hit, which the Red Wings can more than afford—before that acquisition, they could’ve added about $25 million in contracts at the trade deadline, which is Monday.

The Red Wings drafted Quincey (6-2, 207) 132nd overall in 2003 and lost him on waivers to the Avalanche in 2008. He’ll provide depth along their blue line and help for the power play.

Detroit leads the NHL with 84 points and has won 23 straight games at home.

The Denver Post’s Adrian Dater didn’t like Quincey...

I’ve been off all day and will stay off but my 2 cents: good deal by Avs. Quincey overpaid, didn’t produce, turnover prone. Downie tough

And ESPN’s John Buccigross offers a little shit-stirring:

Interesting comments on Quincey from those that know- “big problem in the room. Bad guy. Never liked him.” Detroit must think they can deal.

Here’s the Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness’s confirmation,/a>...

The Wings re-acquired a gritty defenseman from the Tampa Bay Lightning, Kyle Quincey.

First, Quincey was dealt from Colorado for Lightning forward Steve Downie. He was then sent to Detroit for a first-round pick next season and Sebastien Piche, who plays in Grand Rapids.

More details to come.

Here’s MLive’s Ansar Khan’s report....

Kyle Quincey is coming back to Detroit. The Red Wings have reacquired the gritty defenseman today from the Tampa Bay Lightning in a three-team deal.

The Colorado Avalanche dealt Quincey to Tampa Bay for forward Steve Downie. The Lightning then moved Quincey to Detroit for a first-round pick in 2012 and Sebastien Piche of the Grand Rapids Griffins.

Quincey (6-foot-2, 207) isn’t overly physical for his size but he moves well and can play the point on the second power-play unit as well as kill penalties. He also logs a lot of ice time, leading the Avalanche at 22:21 minutes per game.

The Red Wings were looking to upgrade their third pairing because Jakub Kindl has lacked consistency since mid-December.

Quincey is in the final year of his contract, with a salary-cap hit of $3.125 million. He is a restricted free agent after this season.

Detroit drafted Quincey, 26, in the fourth round in 2003 (132nd overall). He played 13 games over parts of three seasons with the Red Wings and appeared in 13 playoff games in 2007 as an injury replacement.

The Red Wings, due to a roster crunch, were forced to waive Quincey near the start of the 2008-09 season. They opted to keep Derek Meech instead.

Quincey was claimed by the Los Angeles Kings. After picking up four goals and a career-high 38 points for the Kings, he was traded to Colorado.

Quincey had five goals and 18 assists in 54 games for the Avalanche this season, his third with the club. He has 16 goals, 76 assists and 221 penalty minutes in 239 career games.

Piche (6-0, 202) has played in 42 career AHL games with the Griffins, recording five points, all assists. This season he has played in 22 games, notching three assists. Piche signed with the Red Wings as a free agent in 2009.

The Lightning assigned him to the Florida Everblades of the ECHL.

Here’s the Detroit News’s Ted Kulfan’s report…

The Red Wings have reacquired defenseman Kyle Quincey as part of a three-team trade with Colorado and Tampa Bay.

To get Quincey, who had been playing with the Colorado Avalanche, the Wings gave up their first-round pick in the 2012 draft and sent defensive prospect Sebastien Piche to Tampa Bay.

The Avalanche received Lightning forward Steven Downie.

More Dater:

Quincey got on mgmt bad list when he put griped about not playing when team was on win streak and he’d just been on IR

Here’s the Free Press’s Helene St. James’ report...

The Detroit Red Wings’ search for a gritty player for their third defensive pairing led them back to one of their draft picks. They acquired Kyle Quincey from the Tampa Bay Lightning this afternoon, for Detroit’s first-round pick in this June’s draft and minor leaguer Sebastien Piche. The Lightning, run by Wings legend Steve Yzerman, acquired Quincey earlier in the day from the Colorado Avalanche, in exchange for Steve Downie.

Quincey is expected to be in the lineup Thursday, when the Wings take their 23-game home winning streak up against the Vancouver Canucks.

“We like the addition of Quincey,” general manager Ken Holland said. “He’s a guy who can play 20 minutes a night, he can play right defense, left defense, he can play in all situations. He can man a point on the second power-play unit. We believe this makes us deeper for the playoffs, and he’s not a rental.”

Quincey, 26, is a restricted free agent this summer, and Holland said plans are to keep Quincey beyond this season.

The Wings inquired about Quincey last week but weren’t able to reach an agreement with Avs general manager Greg Sherman. To the rescue came Yzerman: He called Holland this morning and asked whether the Wings would give up their first-round pick for Quincey. It was more than the Wings wanted to pay, but in this seller’s market, the price was better than involving any prospects.

The Wings had been looking to add toughness to their blue line. They gave Mike Commodore a shot by signing him this past summer, but he has failed to establish himself as a regular in the lineup. Jakub Kindl had an impressive start to the season but has struggled the past month.

Quincey is only 26, brings nice size (6-feet-2, 202 pounds), and should bring more of the crease-clearing presence the Wings want.

Update #2.5: More from the Globe and Mail’s James Mirtle:

Holland on Quincey: “We know him very well as we drafted him in 2003, helped him mature into an NHL player and watched his career develop.”

The Ottawa Sun’s Bruce Garrioch adds this...

Wings made a pitch to get Quincey back in a straight up deal with Colorado. Avs didn’t want what they offered. #SNTrade #NHL

And the Windsor Star’s Bob Duff adds this:

#redwings acquistion of Quincey displays just how discouraged they are by the play of Kindl.

USA Today’s Kevin Allen weighs in as well:

The NHL-leading Detroit Red Wings strengthened their blue line and perhaps bought an insurance policy for the future when they landed Kyle Quincey as part of a three-team trade. Officially, the Tampa Bay Lightning sent feisty forward Steve Downie, their fifth-leading scorer, to the Colorado Avalanche for Quincey and then traded Quincey to Detroit for a first-round pick and minor league defenseman Sebastien Piche.

Quincey, considered a solid, safe defender, probably will play in Detroit’s third pairing, taking the spot usually occupied by Jakub Kindl or Mike Commodore. Quincey will be a restricted free agent, perhaps an important factor because the Red Wings could potentially lose Brad Stuart to free agency and Nicklas Lidstrom to retirement next summer.

The Red Wings are paying a first-round pick to acquire a player they gave up on waivers when they had a roster crunch a few years ago. Forced to choose between Quincey and Derek Meech, they chose Meech, who never blossomed into a regular.

Downie, 24, is the third player that the Lightning have traded this month, joining Dominic Moore (San Jose) and Pavel Kubina (Philadelphia). He joins a Colorado team that has been scrapping to get into the Western playoff picture. The Lightning also picked up minor leaguer Brandon Segal from the Chicago Blackhawks for minor leaguer Matt Fornatoro.

“Our organization believes that Steve Downie will add grit and skill to our lineup offensively,” Avalanche general manager Greg Sherman said. “He plays the game with an edge and we look forward to seeing the immediate and future impact he can bring to our team.”

Colorado could afford to part with Quincey because they have a surplus of defensemen. Downie, who led Tampa Bay with 121 penalty minutes, is also a restricted free agent. He was fifth in Tampa Bay scoring with 12 goals and 28 points. He set a franchise record by scoring goals 11 seconds apart in a Feb. 12 game against the Pittsburgh Penguins.

After their deals, the Lightning have two first-round picks and three to four second-rounders in the 2012 draft. The Flyers have the option of giving up a 2012 or 2013 second-round pick in the Kubina trade.

Here are a few quips from the Wings...

NEWS: The Red Wings have acquired defenseman Kyle Quincey from Tampa Bay for a 2012 first round selection and prospect Sebastian Piche.
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Holland: Kyle (Quincey) is a 26 year-old defenseman who plays 20+ minutes a night.

And file this under, “That was quick!” from the Oakland Press’s Pat Caputo:

It never did seem quite right Kyle Quincey left the Red Wings.

General manager Ken Holland hasn’t made too many glaring mistakes down through the years, but one of them was keeping an aging Chris Chelios over Quincey near the beginning of the 2008-2009 season. Salary cap and waiver rules forced the decision. The Red Wings had to either release Chelios or risk putting Quincey through waivers before sending him to Grand Rapids. There was no way Quincey was going to clear waivers. He had played too well for the Red Wings in a pinch during the playoffs in 2007, and the only reason he wasn’t playing regularly after that was because they had a glut of veteran defensemen.

Chelios’ career hit a wall that season, while Quincey immediately played effectively with the Kings. He’s been a very good player since for Los Angeles and Colorado.

So it is fitting the Red Wings got Quincey back Friday. He had been traded to Tampa Bay from Colorado earlier in the day - and subsequently moved to the Red Wings.

The cost is steep - a first round draft choice, but Quincey is worth it. He is big, reasonably physical and can move the puck. He is also familiar with the Red Wings’ system. The Red Wings didn’t desperately need a sixth defenseman, but they don’t desperately need anything. Quincey is a clear upgrade from Jakub Kindl and Mike Commodore.

He is an unrestricted free agent this summer, and will draw a lot of interest. But it was a calculated gamble for the Red Wings. They already had arguably the best defensive corps in the NHL. This move only accents the point. And if there is any team that should be concerned only with winning now, it’s the Red Wings.

Stuart’s unrestricted. Quincey is restricted.


Update #4: here’s more from the Windsor Star’s Bob Duff....

#redwings Holland on Quincey: “We got a 26-year-old D who’s got experience in the league, he’s played 20-plus minutes in LA and Colorado.”
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More Holland on Quincey: “He can play the penalty kill, second power play. It’s hard to find players who can play 20 minutes.”
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Holland on Quincey: “We should have never let him go. It worked out great for him. He got an opportunity in LA and Colorado.”
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Holland on Quincey: He became the player we hoped we would be. If we could do it all over again, we’d make a different decision.’‘
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Holland on trading 1st rd pick: The time is now. That first round pick, if it’s a good pick, he’ll play in Detroit five years from now.’‘
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Holland on Quincey: “It’s not a rental. We think he makes us better and deeper on the back end. We’re a better team now than we were.”
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Holland on Kindl: “My worry is about the team, not an individual. We like Kindl, we think he’s developing.”
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Holland on who plays on D: “It’s my job to get players for Mike Babcock. It’s his job to use them as he sees fit.’‘
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Holland on other potential deals: “We all kick the tires until 3 p.m. Monday. I don’t have anything going.”
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Quincey a much better addition to #redwings now and long-term than Kubina would have been.
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@Franzen40 This move likely gives Smith another season to develop in GR. Also, don’t know what holds re Lidstrom and Stuart.

Update #5: FSD is of course confirming...

And for the moment, MLIve’s Ansar Khan is delivering the wow factor...

“We got a 26-year-old defenseman who’s got experience in the league, he’s played 20-plus minutes (a game) in Los Angeles and Colorado,’’ Red Wings general manager Ken Holland said. “He competes. He’s really coming into his prime. He’s a restricted free agent. We expect him to be on our team going forward, and he improves our team on the back end this year.’‘
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“I talked to (Colorado GM) Greg Sherman a few days ago about Quincey and we didn’t have a fit,’’ Holland said. “In the last 48 hours, Steve (Yzerman) called me and said he had a deal to get Quincey and asked if we’re interested. We talked about picks and prospects. We didn’t want to trade a lot of prospects Steve was interested in.’‘

The cost of a first-round pick shows how competitive the trade market is, as there are far more buyers than sellers.

“We got some kids (in the organization),’’ Holland said. “The time is now. It’s not a rental. We think he makes us better and deeper on the back end. That first-round pick, if it’s a good pick, he would have played in Detroit five years from now.’‘

The Red Wings, in a roster crunch, were forced to waive Quincey after the 2008 preseason. They opted to keep Derek Meech, who at the time was more mobile, a better puck-mover and seemed better suited for Detroit’s puck-possession style of play.

The Los Angeles Kings claimed Quincey and he quickly developed into a solid player. After picking up four goals and a career-high 38 points for the Kings, he was traded to Colorado.

Quincey (6-foot-2, 207) had five goals and 18 assists in 54 games for the Avalanche this season, his third with the club. He has 16 goals, 76 assists and 221 penalty minutes in 239 career games.

“We should have never let him go,’’ Holland said. “It worked out great for him. He got an opportunity in L.A .and Colorado. As his name came up, we knew him, liked him. He became the player we hoped we would be (when he left). If we could do it all over again, we’d make a different decision. We’re happy to have him back.’‘
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“We all kick the tires until 3 p.m. Monday,’’ Holland said. “I don’t have anything going. In the meantime, we’re a better team now than we were two hours ago.’‘

Update #5.5: Via Paul, here’s the Edmonton Journal’s Jim Matheson’s take:

Steve Yzerman had never made a deal with his mentor Ken Holland until Tuesday when he twisted the Detroit GM’s arm and got a first-round pick for the very serviceable defenceman Kyle Quincey, who had come to Tampa from Colorado for disturber Steve Downie in a three-team trade.

The winners? Detroit and Tampa.

On the fence? Colorado.

Detroit: The Wings, who were in the running for Pavel Kubina last week before he went to Philly, once had Quincey but lost him on waivers in 2008 because of salary cap issues, deciding (in error) to keep Derek Meech instead. He’ll immediately improve their third pairing with Jonathan Ericsson, with the inconsistent Jakub Kindl (summer trade bait) and Mike Commodore now in the 7-8 slots. Quincey can be a second PP guy, too.  If Brad Stuart leaves as a UFA this summer, most likely to a California team (San Jose at the top of his list), because his family has been living there while he’s played for the Wings, Quincey, a restricted free-agent in the $3 mil range, is a nice alternative.

The Wings gave up a first-round pick but that might be 30th overall. No big deal They wouldn’t know what to do if they did have a first-round pick. They have only had four since 2000–centre Riley Sheahan (Notre Dame, 21st in 2010, goalie Thomas McCollum (30th in 2008, Grand Rapids), defenceman Brendan Smith (27th in 2009, Grand Rapids) and Kindl (19th in 2005).  Smith, who might be the best blueliner in the AHL, will be on the Wings next year as an offensive guy. Jury’s out on Kindl and McCollum, struggling in the minors.

The Wings muddle along without first-round picks (Johan Franzen was 97th pick, Jimmy Howard was 64th, Quincey was 132nd, Jiri Hidler was 58th, Val Filppula was 95th, Ericsson 291st). And we’re not counting Henrik Zetterberg at 210 and Pavel Datsyuk (171st), the best forward in the NHL with Sidney Crosby out.

Tampa Bay: Yzerman, who learned the ropes under Holland and his assistant Jim Nill after he retired, now has two first-round picks (his and the Wings) and four second-rounders in the June draft with his recent wheeling and dealing (Dominic Moore,  Kubina last week). That’s six picks in the top 60 as he goes about restocking his shelves. Downie had 19 and 22 goal seasons a few years back but had 10 last year and is stuck on 12 this season. He’s an agitator, but he can be more trouble than good if he goes off the rails. They will have to find a player like Downie this summer, but they’re out there.

Colorado: The Avs got Quincey from the Kings in the Ryan Smyth deal a few years back after the Wings lost Quincey on those waivers. He was playing 22 minutes in Colorado but he had griped recently about being scratched after coming off IR.  He was a big body (6’2″, 210) on the biggest blueline in the league–Erik Johnson, Ryan O’Byrne, Jan Hejda and Shane O’Brien are at least 230 pounds and Ryan Wilson is 210.  He was on their PP, but they got Stefan Elliott as a smaller powerplay point guy, and also have Len Barrie’s boy Tyson in the system.

The Avs needed some abrasiveness at forward with only fourth-liner Cody McLeod giving them any real nastiness. Ryan O’Reilly has 10 PIMs, Paul Stastny 24, Milan Hejduk 14, Gabriel Landeskog 32, Matt Duchene 6 and David Jones 20. That’s five of their top six guys. Downie plays a game like Darcy Tucker, who retired as an Avs’ forward, went about his business. They can use that, but Quincey was probably their second best defender after Johnson.


Update #6: DetroitRedWings.com’s Bill Roose offers something of a history lesson....

Over a three-season period, Quincey, 26, played in 13 games for the Wings, and scored his first NHL goal in Detroit’s 7-2 season-finale win over the Chicago Blackhawks on April 7, 2007.

Quincey played a significant role in the Wings reaching the Western Conference finals in 2007 when veteran defenseman Mathieu Schneider was injured. That spring, Quincey played in 13 playoff games.

But with a backlog of defensemen, the Wings placed Quincey on waivers early in the 2008-09 season, where he was claimed by the Los Angeles Kings. The following summer Quincey was traded along with Tom Preissing and a fifth-round draft choice to the Avalanche for Ryan Smyth.

A shoulder injury forced Quincey to miss the majority of the 2010-11 season. This year the 6-foot-2 native of Kitchner, Ontario, led all Colorado defensemen with five goals and 18 assists in 54 games.

The Wings were looking for some depth on their third defensive pairing to play along side Jonathan Ericsson. Quincey should also get some ice-time on the second power play unit with Niklas Kronwall.

Yahoo Spots’ Greg “Puck Daddy” Wyshynski offers a humorous take on the deal…

The Free Press offers a “getting to know you all over again” 15-image gallery of Quincey…

Here’s the Vancouver Province’s Tony Gallagher throwing a column’s worth of curve ball comments from Holland regarding his team’s state prior to the Quincey trade, suggesting that the team’s comparative youth movement is working out…

“We knew Brian Rafalski was retiring and we knew we needed a couple of defencemen so we got Ian White and Mike Commodore, one for the power play, one for the PK, one with size, one with skill and it’s turned out White has been the perfect fit for Nick (Lidstrom). We also had Mike Modano, Kris Draper and Chris Osgood retire and we lost a lot of leadership but they were older guys and we knew we had young guys ready to take a bigger role and improve from within. Jimmy Howard has taken a step that way, (Jiri) Hudler’s bounce back has been big, (Valterri) Filppula has been better and (Jonathan) Ericsson too. (Justin) Abdelkader and (Darren) Helm have been better, Drew Miller, we just tried to rebuild internally. Now we’re a lot younger, we have more guys who are in their mid-20s which are important to us and we have a sizable bit of cap room for next year.”

That of course is subject to how the CBA works out but there will be room no matter what although Holland isn’t sure what he can pull off between now and the trade deadline. Getting defenceman Kyle Quincey in a trade on Tuesday helps immediately as well as providing insurance against Brad Stuart possibly leaving next year or Lidstrom retiring, but they could be a long way for finished.

Holland believes the race in the Central Division has been the driving factor in this great Detroit season, the Wings just looking across at their near rivals, not even really paying any attention to the Vancouver Canucks until just recently.

“I think the race has been great for all the teams in it and I know our guys have just been concentrating on the division and trying to stay in front of St. Louis,” he says. “And we’ve been more focused on our road play, not even paying attention to what’s been going on at home until just a couple of games ago In this conference, I think any team that finds itself leading this conference any time is surprised to find themselves there. I mean St. Louis wins every night, Vancouver seems to win every night. . . . Now that I think of it yes. If you told me at training camp in September we would be where we are, I would have said I’m surprised.”

As is typical in this environment, to be where the Canucks and Wings are at this point, you have to have had good fortune with health.

“We’ve been lucky to have our top guys be able to go out there every night,” says Holland, noting a setback for Datsyuk who is having his knee scoped and will be out two or three weeks. “We’ve had Howard out now and we had Danny Cleary out there for a while but I mean we all have four to six guys in this situation where if they’re out for any length of time it really hurts you. You can cover short term, but over the long haul if you lose any one of those guys it really affects you and we’ve been fortunate to have those guys healthy.”

Here’s the Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness’s write-up….

“In hindsight we should have never let him go,” Holland said. “He’s 26 years old and we know him and he can play in the top four on the blue line. We’ve managed our draft picks for the most part since 2005,” Holland added. “We felt he’s 26 and in the prime of his career. He fits all we were looking for. And he’s not a rental.”

Quincey (6-foot-2, 207) is in the final year of a $3.125 million contract and is a restricted free agent after this season. The Wings had inquired about Quincey, but couldn’t come to terms with Colorado. Then, Lightning GM Steve Yzerman called Holland and Quincey’s name was brought up. Yzerman asked if he was able to obtain the former Wing would they be interested?

“We talked about picks and prospects,” Holland said. “We didn’t want to trade a lot of prospects Steve was interested.”

Quincey, who logged an average of 22 minutes of ice time in Colorado and can play on the second power play unit, fills a void on the blue line with how Jakub Kindl has underachieved since mid-December.

“My worry is about the team, not an individual,” Holland said. “We like Kindl, we think he’s developing. It’s my job to get players for Mike Babcock. It’s his job to use them as he sees fit.”
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“We expect him to be on our team going forward and he improves our team on the back end this year,” Holland said.
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“We all kick the tires,” Holland said. “I don’t have anything going. In the meantime we’re a better team now than we were two hours ago.”

And, via RedWingsFeed, here are EJ Hradek and Ken Daneyko takling about Kyle Quincey…

As well as trade tidbits from the Freep.

Update #6: here’s a crapton of Holland quotes from NHL.com’s Brian Hedger:

Spoke with #Redwings GM Ken Holland when he got here to the UC. Emphasized Quincey is “not a rental player” etc.
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Holland must have used the term “not a rental player” at least 10 times in our conversation and said Quincey might slot in anywhere of the 6
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Holland also said Quincey could see some time on second PP unit and some PK time for #Redwings.
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Holland on Quincey: “We probably should’ve never let him go ... but I think he developed better [in LA] than he would’ve [in DET].”
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You have to put that last Holland comment in context. He meant Quincey wouldn’t have gotten enough mins in DET to develop like he did
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Holland on Quincey: “He can play with Nick Lidstrom. He can play with Ericsson. He can play with White. He gives Mike Babcock options.”
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Holland: “There’s been an infatuation with the age of our team ...” quote to be cont’d
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Holland noted Kronwall’s 31, 4 other D on team/B.Smith are under 30 & have a few 20-somethings up front. “We’re trying to rebuild the team.”

Update, what is this, seven? Per NHL.com’s Hedger:

“We like the addition of Quincey,” general manager Ken Holland told the Detroit Free Press. “He’s a guy who can play 20 minutes a night, he can play right defense, left defense, he can play in all situations. He can man a point on the second power-play unit. We believe this makes us deeper for the playoffs, and he’s not a rental.”

Holland just told FSD’s Trevor Thompson that he will qualify Quincey this summer and will decide whether to sign him to a one-year or longer deal....

Here’s a bit from the Free Press’s Helene St. James...

Reaction from Quincey: I’m going to a great team with a chance to win the Cup. I know pretty much every single guy on the team. #RedWings

And ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun and Scott Burnside weigh in as well:

Burnside: Hello, my friend. Or should I say bonjour, given that you’re in Montreal ready to take in the Montreal Canadiens-Dallas Stars tilt tonight. But let’s talk about a pretty interesting deal that went down this afternoon. One of the best parts of the trade deadline are the deals that no one saw coming (or at least none of us in the media). The Tampa Bay Lightning, clearly in sell-off mode, dealt agitating forward Steve Downie to the Colorado Avalanche on Tuesday afternoon for defenseman Kyle Quincey. The Lightning then flipped Quincey to the Detroit Red Wings for a first-round pick in 2012 and defensive prospect Sebastien Piche.

The move looks to strengthen the Avs, who have some depth along the blue line but need more sand up front, and the Red Wings, like many contending teams, wanted to bulk up along the blue line for what they hope is a long playoff run. The move also suggests Lightning GM Steve Yzerman is already looking ahead to restocking the team’s shelves as the Bolts now have two first-round picks this June and could have as many as four second-round picks. And Yzerman already knows the 6-foot, 202-pound Piche from Yzerman’s days as an executive with the Red Wings. Piche signed as a free agent with the Wings in April 2009.


LeBrun: OK, let’s start with the Red Wings. I think this deal helps them both in the short term and long term. Not only do you always want to add depth on defense, and this case a bona-fide No. 3/No. 4 blueliner in Quincey, but there’s also some protection here moving forward in case either Nicklas Lidstrom and/or Brad Stuart are gone next season. Lidstrom, of course, may retire, although that’s not decided yet. Stuart is an unrestricted free agent, and there’s talk he may head back to California for family reasons. Now, I’m not pretending that Quincey can fill the shoes of either one of those players, but he’s a capable player and the Wings now can head into the offseason not needing to do quite as much work on the blue line.

As for the Lightning, they’ve got a bevy of draft picks now and my sense is that they can use some of those picks to make a play for a goaltender, whether that’s before Monday’s deadline or more likely in the offseason.

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statelouis26's avatar

yeah.. crap deal
Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 02/21/12 at 07:03 PM ET

When you use two picks for one player it is a crap deal.  I don’t think many GM’s would say it’s smart to operate that way.  That 1st rounder may be decent for a player of Quincey’s quality, or it could’ve been used to pick the next Datsyuk, you just never know.  The Wings probably never wanted to get rid of Quincey, but they had to make a choice.  They just made the wrong one.

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 02/21/12 at 09:25 PM ET

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No one’s going to comment on Yzerman shittin on the Avalanche still?  They Avs refused the Wings offer for Q, so Yzerman gets him instead to send to us?

Think Yzerman still holds a grudge?

Posted by scotts0 from New York on 02/21/12 at 09:26 PM ET

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A first-round pick and a prospect for a top-four defenseman.  Would you make a deal like that anywhere else?

Posted by SYF from Alana Blanchard's Bikinis and Surfboards on 02/21/12 at 09:29 PM ET

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The Wings chose to keep Meech over Quincey for waivers.  Keeping the player with better talent has absolutely nothing with ice time.  When Meech got his shot with the Jet’s did that ice time make a difference?  Quincey was in the system for a while so ice time is a poor excuse for a missed talent evaluation.

At no point between losing him to waivers and now would Quincey had gotten the same minutes he got in Los Angeles which developed him into the player he is today.  He’s been forced into top-four duty since then.  Which year was he qualified for that kind of responsibility in Detroit?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/21/12 at 09:29 PM ET

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Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 02/21/12 at 07:25 PM ET

hindsight is 20/20, Meech gave us a swing player between forward and defense and CLEARLY OUTPLAYED Quincey in the preseason. 

Not saying it sucks we lost him, but it doesn’t suck that we got a top 4 D man who’s NOT a rental who knows our system for one 1st round pick… in this market… it’s incredible the deal got done, how many other teams would’ve LOVED to make this pickup for the price, plenty I’m sure

Sucks it took 2 picks, but the Wings hope to get 1 or 2 roster players out of any given draft and the average draft number on the Wings roster is like 191 or something.  Not worried aobut it at all and sets us up for success this year AND next

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 02/21/12 at 09:31 PM ET

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When you use two picks for one player it is a crap deal.  I don’t think many GM’s would say it’s smart to operate that way.

David Poile did that.  Paul Holmgren did it too.

The difference?  They traded two FUTURE picks without the benefit of hindsight.

It’s still completely faulty to say that Quincey would be the same player he is now if Detroit had never lost him to waivers.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/21/12 at 09:31 PM ET

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Quincey spent three years in GR.  Playing big minutes in LA didn’t develop Quincey, it just showcased his talent at the NHL level.  He developed in GR playing big minutes there.  He doesn’t instantly develop by playing serious minutes after being claimed on waivers in LA.

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 02/21/12 at 09:37 PM ET

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Did those GM’s trade a 1st rounder?  You can call it hindsight, you can call it dumb luck, you can call it whatever you want.  It doesn’t change the fact it was the wrong choice.

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 02/21/12 at 09:40 PM ET

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Please remember that the marketplace for defensemen who are not guys you send out for two shifts and then affix to the bench for the next 58 minutes are EXTRAORDINARILY high. A 1st-rounder for a #3/4 defenseman in this day and age is simply marketplace value…

And if you read Holland’s comments…

1. He admits he made a big mistake in letting Quincey go;

2. He plans on re-signing Quincey this summer;

3. He says he’s not done just yet, and he’s still talking about team-buliding philosophy, which seems to indicate that he is weighing those various moving parts’ values.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 02/21/12 at 09:43 PM ET

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He doesn’t instantly develop by playing serious minutes after being claimed on waivers in LA.

No, he does it over the course of a season thrown into that kind of responsibility.  If he’s not given THAT chance at THAT time, you can’t tell me he’s the same player he is today.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/21/12 at 09:59 PM ET

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Go root for Vancouver then St. Louis.. or maybe you’d like it better on the Boo’s bandwagon where no GMs make bad trades.  God forbid you get 21 straight years of playoffs and the GM corrects one of the few mistakes he’s made and a critical time re-adding a critical piece going down the stretch.. cry me a f’cking river

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 02/21/12 at 10:01 PM ET

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Question is if they really did make a mistake. They had set top six for that and next season, Chelios was 7th D, and Ericsson had to be up next year. Meech vs Quincey was for 8th D. And Meech was more versitle and better at that time, although Quincey had more upside. How would Q look now if hechad played 25 games total in those two seasons?
Also, nobody was willing to trade anything good for him, even though it was almost impossible he woild last beyond LA. Maybe next time Det has to waive someone because of roster crunch, they could get 2nd or so from someone?

Posted by Davor on 02/21/12 at 10:37 PM ET

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Ian White makes less.

That’s hardly fair though.  White bounced around FOUR teams in the two seasons prior to signing with Detroit and when Holland signed him people were shocked because he wasn’t even on peoples’ top UFA radars.  Quincey plays #1 minutes on Colorado, averaging 7 seconds less than Kronwall and he’s got 23 points on a shitty, shitty team (which is 25th is goals per game) and plays both the PP (no more Hudler on the point!!!) and the PK.

He may make more that White but he’s a friggin steal compared to Ericsson.

Not good.

Is $7M too much for a Stanley Cup Ring?

When Meech got his shot with the Jet’s did that ice time make a difference?

Do you not understand that they let Quincey go so that he could develop better?  They knew that they guy they kept was going to be playing minimal games and ice time (and Meech played about a third of that time on forward lines).  If they had kept Quincey then Meech would’ve developed better playing on a bad team and Quincey might’ve ended up on Winnipeg’s AHL team.  What’s the difference?  A few years later they have the better player, didn’t have to suffer through his development, and all it cost was a draft pick that could’ve ended up never ever playing in the NHL.

GREAT deal.

As Holland normally trys to avoid giving up 1st round picks

I’m curious where this comes from.  He’s used three 1st round picks in the last five years and 11 in the last 20.  He’s never been afraid to deal first round picks.

He developed in GR playing big minutes there.

Yeah, because playing big minutes in the AHL has always guaranteed success at the NHL level.

It doesn’t change the fact it was the wrong choice.

Sure it does, because it wasn’t the wrong choice.  It was the RIGHT choice for Detroit at the time and it was the RIGHT choice at the time today when Holland brought him back into the fold.

Posted by Davor on 02/21/12 at 08:37 PM ET

Exactly.  They sent away a 7/8/9 defenseman, let him grow and develop in a better environment than what they could provide and then spent a draft pick for a top four defenseman.

It wasn’t a mistake because he’s not the same player he was when they waived him.

Posted by Garth on 02/21/12 at 11:08 PM ET

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Did the Red Wings make a mistake letting Joey MacDonald go on waivers in 2007?  If they’d kept him then they would’ve had a terrific backup goalie for several years, right?

Did they make a mistake when they let Shanahan go as a free agent?  They could have a Red Wing as the chief disciplinarian if they kept him!

Posted by Garth on 02/21/12 at 11:12 PM ET

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