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Wallner: Grand Rapids Griffins plan on rotating veteran scratches due to AHL’s 5-man veteran limit

The Detroit Red Wings' demotions of Cory Emmerton, Jordin Tootoo and Cory Emmerton have yielded something of a sticky wicket for the Grand Rapids Griffins.

AHL rules allow teams to dress five professional-league "veterans" in their lineup, but no more, and the Griffins already had four "veterans" on their roster in the AHL-contracted Jeff Hoggan (the Griffins' captain), Triston Grant, Nathan Paetsch and Brennan Evans.

That's seven players vying for five available spots on the team, and as such, some of the "veterans" will have to sit to make room for the NHL'ers. The Grand Rapids Press's Peter J. Wallner spoke with Griffins coach Jeff Blashill about navigating the issue:

Two veterans will need to sit each game beginning with, the coach said, captain and left winger Jeff Hoggan and defenseman Brennan Evans for Wednesday’s home game against Milwaukee.

It would be the first game Hoggan has missed, including regular season and playoffs. He joined the team last season and played in all 100 games and won the Calder Cup.

“It’s not necessary a straight rotation, but everyone is going to have to take their turn,” Blashill said. “We’ll take it game by game because you never know what the next day brings. But everyone is going to have to take their turn, and they are on board with it.”

In addition to Hoggan and Evans, the Griffins in the offseason also re-signed veteran defenseman Nathan Paetsch and left winger Triston Grant. They also added center David McIntyre, an offseason signing, who has 229 games as a pro.

McIntyre's presence is important as Wallner points out that the "veteran rule" also includes a restriction that, outside the five over-320-games-played veterans, a sixth player has to have played in no more than 260 pro games, and a seventh must have played in 320 or fewer pro games:

“We are in a position where we have a lot of really good players,” Blashill said. “I recognize there are certain challenges with that, but I look at it as a positive – it’s great to have a lot of real good players. But, what’s extremely important at that point is that you have really, really good character people who are willing to make some sacrifices for the good of the team.”

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Blashill said he will look at the opponent and determine the lineup based on the matchups.

“We have just talked about it real factual – ‘This is where everything stands,’” he said of discussions with Emmerton, Tootoo and Eaves. “Just like everybody, everyone is playing to build their own resumes to make an impact on the Red Wings and others. And they understand that teams that win are also a lot more fun to play on.”

According to Wallner, Eaves will play with Emmerton and Teemu Pulkkinen to start--and the Griffins host the Milwaukee Admirals on Wednesday, and will then play road games in Iowa and Chicago on Friday and Saturday--and as RedWingsCentral and the Left Wing Lock's Sarah Lindenau have noted, the Wings' demotions probably mean that forwards Louis-Marc Aubry and Andrej Nestrasil will be heading down to the ECHL's Toledo Walleye in short order.

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Ajax19's avatar

Nice to see Holland’s 2012 Summer panic signings have ripple effects all the way to Grand Rapids.

Posted by Ajax19 on 11/19/13 at 05:08 PM ET

Primis's avatar

the “veteran rule” also includes a restriction that, outside the five over-320-games-played veterans, a sixth player has to have played in no more than 260 pro games, and a seventh must have played in 320 or fewer pro games:

Uhhh, what?

I don’t see why the last two qualifiers are necessary.  If you have not played over 320 games, you have played under 320 games.  I guess you can’t stock the rest of the roster with guys between 260 and 320 games played outside of the 5 “vets” but…  by virtue of the 5 “vet” rule, one of your other guys is going to have played less than 320.

The AHL counts goalies as vets right?  I know the ECHL doesn’t (or didn’t used to anyways) count goalies amongst their vets because it wasn’t fair to their development.

Posted by Primis on 11/19/13 at 05:17 PM ET

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I believe that the AHL does count goalies as vets, and in terms of the “sixth and seventh player” rule, it’s that the players *cannot have played* in more than 260 and/or 320 games, respectively.

If the team wants to ice players with under 260 games outside of their five non-restricted veterans, they can certainly do so.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 11/19/13 at 05:19 PM ET

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The AHL counts goalies as vets right?

I don’t believe they do.  The rule on the ahl website is worded like this: Of the 18 skaters (not counting two goaltenders) that teams may dress for a game, at least 13 must be qualified as “development players.”  To me that reads that the veteran rule only applies to skaters.

Posted by Garth on 11/19/13 at 05:28 PM ET

Vladimir16's avatar

Nice to see Holland’s 2012 Summer panic signings have ripple effects all the way to Grand Rapids.
Posted by Ajax19 on 11/19/13 at 04:08 PM ET

This^^^^
Ken Holland is the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 11/19/13 at 05:45 PM ET

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http://theahl.com/faq-p137653

What is the AHL’s development rule?

In the AHL, player development is a top priority. The American Hockey League and the Professional Hockey Players’ Association have the following development rule in place for the 2013-14 season:

Of the 18 skaters (not counting two goaltenders) that teams may dress for a game, at least 13 must be qualified as “development players.” Of those 13, 12 must have played in 260 or fewer professional games (including AHL, NHL and European elite leagues), and one must have played in 320 or fewer professional games. All calculations for development status are based on regular-season totals as of the start of the season.

So to recap:

1) Only skaters count. Not goalies.
2) Anybody who has played more than 260 professional games counts as a “veteran” player, with the following exception: a maximum of ONE player who has played between 261-320 professional games as of the start of the AHL season may also be counted as a development player, rather than a veteran

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 11/19/13 at 06:16 PM ET

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