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Updates On Weiss, Sheahan And Glendening

Khan tweets,

Stephen Weiss will start skating with Whalers on Tues. and if all goes well will play couple games in Grand Rapids weekend of Feb. 21-23.

Riley Sheahan will be reassigned to Grand Rapids during Olympic break (next game is Friday). To be determined if he'll be back after break.

Luke Glendening said he's not eligible to play in Grand Rapids until NHL players resume skating on 2-19. He'll go to GR then and play.

added 1:31pm, Mark Masters of TSN tweets...

Babcock on staying focused before OLY break: "It takes the same amount of time to do it right as to do it wrong. We’re here anyway …"

Babcock: "We’re not going anywhere until the game’s over so why wouldn’t we play well?"

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SYF's avatar

All good news, Boss.  Thanks.

Posted by SYF from Alana Blanchard's Bikinis and Surfboards on 02/08/14 at 01:25 PM ET

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fyi:

Glendening isn’t eligible to keep playing in GR right away the way Sheahan is because he’s played enough NHL games that he “earned” the Olympic break.

Posted by alwaysaurie on 02/08/14 at 02:06 PM ET

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Um… so who is coming back that they are talking about sending Sheahan and Glendening back after the Olympic break?  I sincerely hope it’s not Cleary and Bert.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 02/08/14 at 02:31 PM ET

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Um… so who is coming back that they are talking about sending Sheahan and Glendening back after the Olympic break?

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh

Sounds like Weiss is one of them, so they’ll have way too many centers.

Still, it surprises me that they’re talking about sending Glendenning or Sheahan down while keeping Jurco. I know Babcock loves Glendenning (and who wouldn’t). Maybe Jurco is being “showcased” for a potential trade?

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 02/08/14 at 02:43 PM ET

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And way too much in salary too when Weiss comes off of LTIR.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/08/14 at 02:59 PM ET

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Still, it surprises me that they’re talking about sending Glendenning or Sheahan down while keeping Jurco.

This is about what we’ll do during the Olympics:

* Jurco will be in Sochi.
* Sheahan is “eligible” to be sent to GR, so we’ll send him so he can keep playing games
* Glendening is “not eligible”  because he played x-#-of-games,
* After the Olympics, before the Red Wings play again, Glendening will be eligible to play games for GR and we’ll do that so he gets work in.

For the 1st post-Olympic Red Wing game we can bring anyone back.

Our 3 folks out are… Weiss - Kindl - Franzen

If all 3 come back, 3 need to be sent down.

There’s 4 folks we’re thinking of sending down(Jurco, Sheahan, Glendening, & Eaves),
so even if all 3 come back one will stay.

 

Posted by alwaysaurie on 02/08/14 at 03:14 PM ET

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Would Eaves need to clear waivers again?  One of these days we are going to have some of these players gobbled up.

Posted by neffernin on 02/08/14 at 04:00 PM ET

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And way too much in salary too when Weiss comes off of LTIR.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/08/14 at 02:59 PM ET

Would Franzen being put on LTIR retroactively if his concussion symptoms don’t dissipate work? CapGeek Armchair GM tells me swapping Weiss for Franzen leaves Detroit with almost $700k in cap space.

Posted by SK77 on 02/08/14 at 04:03 PM ET

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Would Eaves need to clear waivers again?

— neffernin

Yes, he’s been back long enough that he would need to clear waivers again.

Would Franzen being put on LTIR retroactively if his concussion symptoms don’t dissipate work?

— some kid

Yes.

Posted by alwaysaurie on 02/08/14 at 05:45 PM ET

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Eaves needs to clear waivers because he’s played in 10+ games and/or has been on the Wings’ roster for a month. Those are the tolerances for waivers. The important part of the new CBA is that they’re not *re-entry waivers,* so there’s no on-the-hook money involved if he’s claimed.

Glendening can’t play in GR because he’s played in 75%+ of the Wings’ games since he was called up. That’s the rule per Garrioch.

I know that you and I probably don’t like the concept of Glendening, Sheahan and Jurco going back to GR, but the Wings need to know what the hell Weiss can actually do when he’s healthy, and whether he’s a fit long-term.

GR is also so choked with vet Wings that have been demoted that they’re having a rough go, so I don’t anticipate the Wings waiving Cleary and Bertuzzi. This is their time to attempt to regain roster spots, because Sheahan, Glendening and Jurco have certainly proved that the Wings may only need/want to invite one UFA back or next season—Alfredsson.

It certainly looks like *if* the Wings have the cap space, Babcock won’t be loyal to Bertuzzi or Cleary over Sheahan, Glendening or Jurco if he feels that the vets aren’t helping the team win.

Regarding the LTIR, the pain in the ass remains that when players come off the LTIR, teams have to clear as much cap space as is remaining on the healthy player’s full cap hit, so you lose all the flexibility you’ve gained (even though whatever money you spent on injury replacements can still exceed the salary cap).

As such, even if the Wings put Franzen on the LTIR until he returns, when he returns, they’ve got to accommodate that cap hit. I sure hope he comes back, because he was playing some of the best all-round hockey of his career when he got hurt.

That’s the sticky wicket regarding going “with the old guys” when and if Weiss and Franzen return.

The cap space that’s accumulated in Capgeek is the space the Wings have gained over the course of the season—just as the Wings were supposed to have to wait until January to accommodate Nyquist on a fully healthy roster, the one neat thing about cap space is that the aggregate amount of unspent money ends up increasing over time.

As has been written by the MSM’ers, whatever attempts the Wings make to trade players will be dollar-in-dollar-out-type deals, and it appears that Holland may still hedge his bets given that he and the management have run the, “If we miss the playoffs and are eligible for the draft lottery” simulations and scouting reports during their organizational powwow (and the Wings *never* divest themselves of assets at the deadline, so Bertuzzi, Cleary, etc. will stay here)...

I would *like* to see the Wings add a top-four defenseman or a net-front presence, but between having to clear cap space buck-for-buck and the Wings knowing that Sheahan, Ferraro, Callahan and Almquist will all have to clear waivers and that Jurco is ready and Marchenko and Ouellet are close (I do think that the Wings will bring Gustavsson back so that Mrazek has one more year of AHL dominant play), the Wings’ trade decisions have to be three-dimensional, accounting for the present shape of the roster, the team’s playoff aspirations and how teams will look next season.

The playoffs should be interesting. The Wings will be limited to 4 non-injury-emergency call-ups between the deadline and when the Griffins’ run ends, and that could be later than the Wings’ run, but with no cap and no 23-man roster come playoff time, assuming that the Wings are in the playoff mix, we may see Sheahan, Jurco and Glendening right back up.

The free agent marketplace will also be tricky due to cap-compliance buy-outs (Tootoo?), so I really don’t know whether the Wings will feel the need to go after, say, a Richards, or whether the, “No, really, we’re finally going to go ‘young’ and not overpopulate the roster with safety-valve vets” line of thinking will prevail.

Again, I’m still of the belief that another top-four defenseman would help, regardless of whether Kronwall is a “#1 or #2” defenseman, but if the Wings add, I’d imagine that somewhere along the way the team would have to divest itself of both Quincey and one of Kindl or Lashoff.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 02/08/14 at 06:15 PM ET

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I’ll try to refine some of the above-listed thoughts for some sort of, “Where the Wings will probably go from here” spiel when I’m a little less fuzzy.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 02/08/14 at 06:16 PM ET

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It certainly looks like *if* the Wings have the cap space, Babcock won’t be loyal to Bertuzzi or Cleary over Sheahan, Glendening or Jurco if he feels that the vets aren’t helping the team win.

For the first time this year, I actually believe that’s true, George. I think both Babs and Tick Tock have had their eyes opened by the play of the kids so far this year. And if it took a bunch of guys getting injured to do that, so be it. It’ll benefit the Wings immensely in the long term, especially if it means they won’t be tempted to resign Cleary.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 02/08/14 at 06:42 PM ET

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especially if it means they won’t be tempted to resign Cleary.

I just can’t come to grips with that idea.  Remember, he’s far too valuable in the locker room, right?

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 02/08/14 at 06:49 PM ET

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Remember, he’s far too valuable in the locker room, right?

 

exactly.  That’s why they gave him the huge money multi-year deal they did before the season started.  Because they can’t conceive of a future without him.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 02/08/14 at 06:59 PM ET

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If the Cap Geek numbers are correct and Detroit has 1.645 mil in real cap space, since Weiss only has 1.47 m of cap hit left to him once he comes off IR Detroit doesn’t theoretically have to clear any money in order to bring him back.

Roster space, yes.  Cap space, perhaps not.

My guess is that they’ll re-waive Eaves and send down Jurco and Glendening.  That’ll get them to 14 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies as well as clearing out a bit more space for shorter-term injury callups if necessary

Posted by HockeyinHD on 02/08/14 at 07:09 PM ET

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Again, I’m still of the belief that another top-four defenseman would help, regardless of whether Kronwall is a “#1 or #2” defenseman, but if the Wings add, I’d imagine that somewhere along the way the team would have to divest itself of both Quincey and one of Kindl or Lashoff.

Kronwall’s not a #1.  He’s a good #2.

Any deal the Wings make for a good defenseman is going to cost them quite a bit, as it should considering the value (and scarcity) of true lead dmen.  I can’t conceive of a team that would want Lashoff in a trade, though.  He’s Doug Janik.  Hell, he might not even be as good as Janik.  Janik played a ton of minutes at the AHL level.

Based on what I’ve seen of Kindl and Smith, though, I’d be more than willing to move both guys in any deal for a legit top pairing dman in return (with, obviously other assets as well).  I don’t think either guy merits anything close to an untradeable designation within the organization.  If Lashoff can steal their IT there’s not a single reason to think 2 or 3 other of the AHL dmen couldn’t, or any of a dozen UFA bargain barrel pickups.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 02/08/14 at 07:16 PM ET

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