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Turns out the ‘diggers’ were right: Red Wings out of the Lecavalier sweepstakes

It turns out that MLive's Ansar Khan and the Free Press's Helene St. James were on to something:

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Well said Babs

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 04:35 PM ET

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Spending big money can win, probably more often it does not.  Rangers have numerous examples in recent history of crippling, ball busting long term deals.  Flyers, anyone? Even Minnesota has to start backing away from the edge.  Detroit Tigers ?  Talk about some pissed off fans, see any Tiger blog.

Disappointed we won’t get Vinny but 2019 is a long way off.
   
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    from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/02/13 at 05:33 PM ET

With all due respect, no one is expecting them to get into a bidding war, but how about a little effort from management?  I don’t get the apathy when the Wings had a legitimate shot at a top 6 player with size and capable of scoring 25 goals easily, AND allowing Zetterberg and Datsyuk to play together, thus forming 2 legitimate scoring lines?

Posted by bababooey on 07/02/13 at 04:36 PM ET

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5% of the cap is not big money.  When the cap hits a projected 80m year after next itll look like franzens conttract and its better than sitting on 5m in cap space that doesnt score goals going unused.  But hey, we’ll get weiss and he’ll pot 25 goals and 60 points for… 5m?

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 04:38 PM ET

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Everyone take it easy, there’s this reassuring headline,

Red Wings’ Ken Holland will reach out to several forwards Wednesday, when free agent talks begin

That means he will kick them in their tires and their nuts and see if there’s any interest.  If you’re not going to bring in a probable difference maker, don’t bring in a new version of aging players we need to get rid of like Samuelsson and Cleary.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 04:41 PM ET

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And lucky for us, this goal scorer has chronic wrist injury.. niiiice.  Go KH!

Modano gets illitch out there saying cuppy cuppy.. cheli’s flying to Suters and Shultz’s houses in helo’s rappelling out with suitcases of cash wearing stanley cup banner loin clothes, king lidas is Gambino’ing DDK into playin for the wings “if he knows whats good for him’ and for Vinny.. ,eh. We told him how it was. He knows our number if he wants to talk…


Wtf?

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 04:42 PM ET

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it’s July and there isn’t any ice this side of St. Ignace,

So you’ve been to the U.P. in the summertime I see.

Posted by calquake on 07/02/13 at 04:43 PM ET

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There is legitimate annoyance that indications are there was not a serious effort to sign one of the forwards who could be a difference maker. 

Tweeters aside, we don’t really know what has gone on.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 04:44 PM ET

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one of the FEW AVAILABLE forwards who could be a difference maker

Corrected.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 04:46 PM ET

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I hope he shows the same apathy and boredom when Weiss’s agent calls looking for more money and term than what they were willing to pay Lecavalier.  I doubt it

Posted by bababooey on 07/02/13 at 04:47 PM ET

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Whats Babs say about having to “keep it fresh”?  Maybe KH is too comfy. Needs a new challnge.  Maybe hes knows his job is safe if he can save money wherever getting players to take hometown discounts AND lowball UFAs and keep the team just good enough to bring in a few playoff home games and broadcast dollars.  Because the reason prospects take hometown discounts is to give the team a shot to win it all by bringing in UFA’s. That could put you over the hump.  I can see why flip wants a piece of that pie that goes uneaten every year. Taking discounts to be a 7thnice seed while the GM says i like our team as Z puts the team on his back to keep the streak alive.. but praise KH?  Maybe KH shouldve moved up and let Nill take the reigns like Jimmy D did for him

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 04:50 PM ET

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I hope he shows the same apathy and boredom when Weiss’s agent calls looking for more money and term than what they were willing to pay Lecavalier.  I doubt it

Posted by bababooey on 07/02/13 at 05:47 PM ET

Hey!  You’re already past your final words on the subject!  Stop writing so I can drive home. smile

George, time for a new thread to take us through the evening.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 04:52 PM ET

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Would anyone be happy with Iginla, 3 years at $4 per?

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/02/13 at 04:53 PM ET

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Kenny’s thinking real hard at offering Filppula $4.5 per season I just know it!

Well, if one is convinced that 2011-2012 was what to expect from Fil, and 2012-2013 was an aberration, and you were willing to pay the older, “declining” Lacavalier $5.0 million for 5 years - don’t you see the logic of $4.5 for Fil?

Not saying I am and advocate - personally I would rather go in a different, “bigger/heavier” direction.

Posted by BC on 07/02/13 at 04:55 PM ET

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Would anyone be happy with Iginla, 3 years at $4 per?

Not a fan of Iggy, but I loved the Stooges.

Posted by BC on 07/02/13 at 04:58 PM ET

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Would anyone be happy with Iginla, 3 years at $4 per?

Yep.

Posted by calquake on 07/02/13 at 04:59 PM ET

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Id be more than happy with that Paul. Its not like we dont have expendable pieces to make room for him in a yyear or two. And with those resumes youll find people willing to take him off your hands if he doesnt fit.  I suspect he would though, the most red wing like personality not on the Wings.. actually would hope hed bring some fire, guys compete level is off the charts..

Someone mentioned he didnt look slow in the playoffs, he looked lost.  I think thats dead on. Get him while stock is low.

Do something besides sign an undersized oft injured forward.  Dont we draft a shit ton of these guys? Get some size whos ready to play if its there.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 05:04 PM ET

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Yeah, I didn’t really get all the hate on Iggy after the playoffs myself. The guy brings it and he has the kind of offense that a guy like Fil absolutely does not…goes hard to the net (or anywhere NEAR the net), shoots often and can finish. In this hypothetical I’d love to see him in a Wings’ sweater.

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 05:12 PM ET

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Plus he’s old so you know that Holland would consider him. I’ll bet Babs loves the guy.

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 05:13 PM ET

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Would anyone be happy with Iginla, 3 years at $4 per?

I wouldn’t complain, but would Iggy be happy with only $4mil?

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 05:21 PM ET

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St JAmes just penned an article saying Lecavilier and Clarkson are WAY too expensive for the Wings and that Cola will be bought out.

Posted by A II R on 07/02/13 at 05:24 PM ET

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  Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun
  Stars GM Jim Nill confirms his team is no longer in the running for Vincent Lecavalier

Posted by Bugsy on 07/02/13 at 05:29 PM ET

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Would anyone be happy with Iginla, 3 years at $4 per?

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/02/13 at 05:53 PM ET

Yes,  More so if it had been done 3 years ago, but yes.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/02/13 at 05:37 PM ET

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NHL Live reporting Vinny chose Philly.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 05:39 PM ET

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Yes,  More so if it had been done 3 years ago, but yes.

Nice.

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 05:40 PM ET

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NHL Live reporting Vinny chose Philly.

Aren’t they the same team a few million over the cap?

Posted by calquake on 07/02/13 at 05:44 PM ET

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NHL Live reporting Vinny chose Philly.

Philly, with $4.2 M cap space per Capgeek?

Posted by Bugsy on 07/02/13 at 05:44 PM ET

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Vinny
Come to Philly
and join Timmy

Posted by Cubanpuckstopper on 07/02/13 at 05:45 PM ET

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Yeah, they scratched their heads a bit at the news, too. 

“Confirmed via Darren Drager: 5-years, $4.5mil.”


Maybe they’ll need to trade us Giroux to free up some space. smile

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 05:47 PM ET

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Please stop talking about Semin. I along with a very few others took all kinds of flack for pushing for him.

Let’s be honest the issue isn’t Vinny not coming here: it’s the failure to attract any significant free agents in a while including ones the Wings made plans years in advance for. The Wings have two superstars and the window for them is closing.

Couple great points were made:
1). Cap will go up significantly next year (strong ratings, the Canadian TV contract up for renewal, Winter Classic w 100k seats, the extra outdoor games, Wings moving to East means more games in prime time for higher ratings and the auxiliary revenue like higher merchandise sales, same goes for Pacific Time Zone teams not playing at 9 am, seeing every team provides a similar boost)

2) Wings cap issues of insignificant space without any movement.

And I’ll take some more flack for this but the Wings overachieved because of the lockout. That same team this year. See my comments last week for why. Without an addition (and one that stays healthy and can be counted on cough cough Helm) the Wings will regress this season. Fans are frustrated but its too early in the process…lets give it a week or two and see what happens.

but 4.25M a year isn’t a terrible contract and since when have the Wings been afraid of 38 yr olds?

Posted by d ca on 07/02/13 at 05:54 PM ET

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5 years/4.7 million a year.
per CBS Sports:
‘Lecavalier, bought out by the Lightning a few days ago, has been spending his time narrowing down his list of teams. Three teams most assumed would be at the top were the Canadiens, Red Wings and Stars. They were each eliminated and the Flyers were left standing.

It’s an interesting choice, that’s for sure. The Flyers are a team that’s right up against the salary cap as it is and they still need to do something in net where only Steve Mason is at the moment. Bringing in Lecavalier is going to require them to move some more salary out. The hottest name will likely be Braydon Coburn. He has been linked with the Oilers in a lot of speculation the past couple of days.”

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/22612685/reports-vincent-lecavalier-to-sign-fiveyear-deal-with-flyers

Posted by Bugsy on 07/02/13 at 05:57 PM ET

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Sorry, it is 4.5 million per Kukla’s and http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426805

Posted by Bugsy on 07/02/13 at 06:00 PM ET

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I guess it’s true Vinny wanted to stay on the east coast.  The Wings moving to the Eastern Conference wasn’t far enough east. cheese

Posted by calquake on 07/02/13 at 06:12 PM ET

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One other argument that I haven’t seen any of you guys mention about the PROs if we would have gotten Lecavalier is that he has played in the East for what the last the 10 years, he knows this conference very well would have been great with the Xs and Os…

Posted by pgoody on 07/02/13 at 06:48 PM ET

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He is , and always was going to finish his career in a French speaking friendly market of Montreal.

Anybody who believe he is going anywhere else, is living in a fantasy world.

Posted by Down River Dan on 07/02/13 at 04:33 PM ET

oui oui! to the French outpost called Philly!!

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 07/02/13 at 07:55 PM ET

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