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TSN’s Aaron Ward reports that Red Wings are close to extension with Howard

Updated 19x at 2:33 PM: This just popped up, and it's a bit of a doozy:

Update: Ah yes, but a report is a "report":

Update #2: Ditto, says the Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness:

Update #3:

Update #4: As the worm turns!

If Howard were to be re-signed at that number, it would complicate the Wings' cap situation with Valtteri Filppula, Daniel Cleary, Drew Miller and Ian White set to become unrestricted free agents, Brendan Smith, Joakim Andersson and Gustav Nyquist coming off their entry-level deals, and Jakub Kindl set to become a RFA.

The Wings would clearly have to use some of their compliance buy-outs (see: Mikael Samuelsson makes $3 million, and Colaiacovo makes $2.5 million; if Todd Bertuzzi can't play next year, the Wings would put him on the LTIR, and I just don't believe that they're going to buy out Franzen) to carve out what would jump from about $12 million in cap space to $17.5 million in cap space.

Update #5: Nevermind...

Update #6: And now, here comes the text, per TSN...

The Detroit Red Wings and goaltender Jimmy Howard are close to finalizing a six-year, $31.8 million contract extension.

The 29-year-old Howard has been with the Red Wings organization since being drafted by the club in the second round (64th overall) of the 2003 NHL Entry Draft.

Through 33 games this season, Howard is 16-12-4 with a 2.41 goals-against average and .917 save percentage. His 16 victories currently places him 11th in the NHL.

MLive's Ansar Khan...

Detroit Red Wings general manager Ken Holland said today that the club is not close to signing goaltender Jimmy Howard, despite a report.

Former Red Wing Aaron Ward of tsn.ca tweeted that Howard is "on the verge of coming to terms on a 6-year deal paying in the range of $5.3 million per season.''

However, Holland said in a text that Howard is "on the same verge as one-week ago.''

MLive.com reported last month that the sides were making good progress on a deal that would pay Howard more than $5 million per season for at least five years.

And Pro Hockey Talk's Ryan Dadoun:

It looks like Jimmy Howard will be the Detroit Red Wings’ starting goaltender for years to come.

Howard is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent this summer, but the Red Wings are close to inking him to a six-year contract, according to TSN’s Aaron Ward.

The deal will reportedly pay Howard something in the ballpark of $5.3 million annually. That represents a major, though not unexpected, jump from the $2.25 million he was owed in 2012-13 before the lockout began.

The 29-year-old has emerged as one of the NHL’s top goaltenders. He’s in his fourth season as Detroit’s starter and, despite a shaky start to the season, has a 2.41 GAA and .917 save percentage in 33 starts.

If the length of the deal is accurate, Howard would join Johan Franzen, Henrik Zetterberg, and Niklas Kronwall as members of the Red Wings’ core that are secured through at least the 2018-19 campaign.

Update #7: Via RedWingsFeed, here's the Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness's report:

Wings goalie Jimmy Howard confirmed he’s close to signing a six-year extension to remain with the club.

Howard said after the morning skate at Joe Louis Arena Thursday that he’s “very close” to signing an extension.

The deal could signed by the end of the weekend.

Howard is in the final year of a deal that’s paying him $2.25 million a season.

Update #8: The Detroit News's Ted Kulfan weighs in...

Via RedWingsFeed, the Windsor Star's Bob Duff's posted a video of Howard speaking to the press about much more than just his deal:

Update #9: Duff, repeated via Twitter...

And the AP's Larry Lage weighs in:

Detroit Red Wings goaltender Jimmy Howard says he's "really, really close" to signing a contract extension.

Howard declined to give details Thursday morning and the team says it has nothing to announce.

He is in the second season of a two-year, $4.5 million deal.

The 29-year-old Howard is the first goalie in franchise history to win at least 35 games in each of his first three full seasons. He is 16-12-4 this year, his fourth full season in net, entering a possibly pivotal game Thursday night against the San Jose Sharks.

Detroit is clinging to eighth place in the Western Conference and is hoping to close the season well enough to make a 22nd straight postseason appearance.

Howard says he's focused on helping the Red Wings be in the playoffs.

Update #10: From the Free Press's Carlos Monarrez:

Detroit Red Wings goaltender Jimmy Howard says he’s “really, really close” to signing a contract extension.

Howard declined to give details this morning and the team says it has nothing to announce.

He is in the second season of a two-year, $4.5 million deal.

The 29-year-old Howard is the first goalie in franchise history to win at least 35 games in each of his first three full seasons. He is 16-12-4 this year, his fourth full season in net, entering a possibly pivotal game Thursday night against the San Jose Sharks.

Detroit is clinging to eighth place in the Western Conference and is hoping to close the season well enough to make a 22nd straight postseason appearance.

Howard says he’s focused on helping the Red Wings be in the playoffs.

Update #11: MLive's Ansar Khan adds quotes from Howard to the mix:

“It's really, really close,'' Howard said after the morning skate, before the Red Wings host the San Jose Sharks tonight (7:30, Fox Sports Detroit).

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“I wanted to be here,'' Howard said. “I get along great with everyone here. I believe in this organization. I appreciate how they've treated me.''

Howard, 29, arguably has been the club's most valuable player during this transition season. He is 16-11-4, with a 2.45 goals-against average and .916 save percentage.

“First thought for me was providing for my family and to have that security blanket for them means the most,'' Howard said. “It feels good. I've worked really hard, paid my dues in the minors.''

Said the coach:

“Howie has worked hard and the organization has confidence in him,'' Babcock said. “It's important for us. We need good goaltending. Just how much parity there is, we need him each and every night and he's been excellent for us.''

Babcock said Howard has improved his consistency.

“In anybody's game, there's things he can work on,'' Babcock said. “He can always work on his puck-handling, and he's been working on that. To me, what he's done is become a guy you can count on. That's what you need in this league. The bottom line for us is we hope this gets done so we can get on with winning games.''

Update #12: Here's the Windsor Star's Bob Duff in article form:

“It’s really, really close,” Howard said before Thursday’s game at Joe Louis Arena against the San Jose Sharks. “Hopefully, by the end of the weekend. Pretty much it’s all the little stuff that’s left (to be worked out).”

In his fifth season with the Wings, Howard, 29, indicated he had no desire to test the free-agent market this summer.

“To be honest, I wanted to be here,” Howard said. “I get along great with everyone here. I believe in this organization and I think we’re going to get the job done.”

Detroit coach Mike Babcock was pleased to know that Howard would soon be locked into the fold on a long-term basis.

“I think it’s a great deal,” Babcock said. “Obviously, Howie has worked hard and the organization has confidence in him. It’s important for us. We need good goaltending. With just how much parity there is, we need him each and every night and he’s been excellent for us.”

Update #13: From Duff:

Update #14: The Detroit News's Ted Kulfan weighs in as well:

"With such a condensed schedule, and so many games in a short amount of time, I haven't had much time to think about it," said Howard, who admitted it was more of an issue three seasons ago when going through his first contract negotiation.

Howard, a 2003 second-round pick of the Red Wings, was groomed in Grand Rapids and doesn't want to test the free agent market this summer.

"I wanted to be here," Howard said. "I get along great with everyone here, and I believe in this organization and I want to get the job done."

The security of being with one organization is nice, but Howard said, "It wasn't even my first thought. My first thought was providing for my family, and to be able to have that security for them means the most." Howard's consistency is what's appealing to coach Mike Babcock.

"With anybody, there's things you can work on," Babcock said. "But to me, what he's done is become a guy who you can count on. That's what you need in this league. It's a great deal. Obviously Howie has worked hard and the organization has confidence in him. It's important for us, we need good goaltending with how much parity there is. He's been excellent for us."

Update #15: Hmmm...

Update #16: DetroitRedWings.com's Bill Roose spoke to Howard, too:

On Thursday, the veteran goaltender confirmed that he and the organization are on the verge of finalizing a six-year contract extension that could wind up being worth a reported $5.3 million.

“It’s really, really close,” Howard said. “We’ll see. You never know. Hopefully by the end of the weekend.”

Howard said only “the little stuff” remains before the deal is settled, which will make Howard the fourth Wings’ player signed through the 2018-19 season, joining Johan Franzen, Niklas Kronwall and Henrik Zetterberg.

Howard is the only goalie in team history to win at least 35 games in each of his first three seasons. He has a 16-12-4 record this year, his fourth season between the pipes. And while the 29-year-old Syracuse, N.Y., native struggled early on this season, but he’s rebounded enough to produce a 2.41 goals-against average with a .917 save percentage in 33 starts.

“Howie has worked hard and the organization has confidence in him,” coach Mike Babcock said. “It's important for us. We need good goaltending. Just how much parity there is, we need him each and every night and he's been excellent for us.”

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“I wanted to be here,” said Howard, who will start tonight in a crucial game against the San Jose Sharks. “I get along great with everyone here. I believe in this organization … It feels good, I mean I’ve worked really, really hard, paid my dues in the minors and really became a professional. To see it pay-off here shortly is a good thrill for my family and I.”

Update #17: ESPN's Craig Custance has weighed in as well:

Goaltender Jimmy Howard and the Red Wings are finalizing the last details on a new contract that will keep the goalie in Detroit long term.

"It's close," he told ESPN.com.

Howard confirmed with reporters that's it's a six-year deal, with TSN's Aaron Ward the first to report that it's worth about $5.3 million per season.

As the Red Wings have battled to stay in the playoff chase through injuries and a revamped defense, Howard has been one of Detroit's most consistent performers. He's 16-12-4 with a .917 save percentage and 2.41 goals-against average this season. He was set to become an unrestricted free agent this summer after signing a two-year, $4.5 million contract in 2011.

The new contract comes with a healthy raise and a commitment from the team that could keep the 29-year-old New York native with the Red Wings late into his career.

"It definitely means a lot," he said. "I started my career here, being drafted almost 11 years ago this June. It definitely means a lot to stick around here."

Update #18: Yahoo Sports' Greg "Puck Daddy" Wyshynski likes the deal.

Update #19: The Free Press's Carlos Monarrez posted a clip of Howard discussing the high probability of him re-signing shortly:

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As usual, people complain, but don’t have any good solutions.

Well, it’s not like we’re in a position to do anything about it, so agreeing or disagreeing is really all we have.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:36 PM ET

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So what are the expectations? I don’t like the deal.  Maybe it was the only parameters that Howard would’ve agreed to (particularly the years) and if so, I would’ve tried to have moved him before the deadline or let him walk after the season.  I just don’t think he’s a good enough goalie to lock up long term.  And frankly there are very few I would.

Posted by WingFanFormerlyInLA on 04/11/13 at 01:34 PM ET

So you’d let him walk, with nobody ready in the pipeline and potentially no starter replacements available?  Because you can’t then say, trade for Luongo if you didn’t like Howard getting that deal.

Who would you start then?

Posted by Primis on 04/11/13 at 01:39 PM ET

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Who would you start then?

Abdelkader.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:40 PM ET

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Hey, howzabout you drop the straw man?  Who said 4 years at $16M?.

You specifically responded to “5 years and 22-23 mil is the highest I’d ever want to go on Howard”

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:34 PM ET

Yeah, sorry about that. I was somehow extrapolating the $4 mill a year thing. My bad.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/11/13 at 01:41 PM ET

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Jimmy Howard has yet to prove himself in the playoffs, has yet to prove that he can take this team to the next step, big risk if he turns out to be a playoff dud. I just don’t like the money or term.

Posted by bababooey on 04/11/13 at 01:43 PM ET

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Yeah, sorry about that. I was somehow extrapolating the $4 mill a year thing. My bad.

No worries.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:43 PM ET

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The ‘problem’ here is that Howard always looks like the lesser goalie in the series Detroit loses.  Rinne last year, Niemi two years ago, Nabokov 3 years ago.

Dude, at least try to make sense.

In the ‘11 epic SJ series, Howard and Niemi faced exactly 246 shots each, and Niemi stopped one more shot (possibly the 3rd on game 7, when Kronwall was above the opposite goalline and Rafalski had a brain cramp).

In ‘10, Howard had a .909sv%, and Nabokov a .886, being pulled after a period in game 4.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 04/11/13 at 01:44 PM ET

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going with Gustavsson and Mrazek next year is, frankly, a dumb idea, no matter how much potential Mrazek has.

Right, because that pairing is so much riskier than going with Osgood Howard was?  Cut it out.

Here’s the reality, Henry.  There are loads of teams with very solid goalies who didn’t have to pay 5.3 mil a year to get them.  There are all kinds of ways Detroit could have a goalie like that.  There’s very little to support the notion Howard is anything appreciably beyond that.  There’s quite a bit to support the notion that Howard has a bit of playoff-itis.

Also, with Detroit can’t necessarily do goaltending on the cheap anymore, sicne we no longer have one of the game’s all time great defensemen.

... and if we’re dropping 5.3 mil a year on a goalie it’s that much more likely that we won’t have anyone that good again on the blue line.

 

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/11/13 at 01:45 PM ET

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Oh, I get it now…because Holland has developed a habit of spending poorly on poor skaters he should spend poorly on a “well-above-average” (that’s regular season, by the way) goalie? Right on.

No, he should stop trying to look for “bargains” and start paying market value.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 04/11/13 at 01:46 PM ET

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There was a time when Holland was against paying top dollar for starting goalies as there was a belief in the system as opposed to the goalie.  Where does this leave guys like Mzarek (sp) and Coreau?

Posted by bababooey on 04/11/13 at 01:48 PM ET

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So you’d let him walk, with nobody ready in the pipeline and potentially no starter replacements available?  Because you can’t then say, trade for Luongo if you didn’t like Howard getting that deal.

Who would you start then?

Honestly, yes I would let him walk.  I think this team is a long ways from competing, so perhaps I have a different viewpoint.  But I’d rather blow it up and rebuild the team the right way than keep trying to fix up a clunker.  The Wings used to have an identity, and they also used to have a lot of really good players with a lot of skill.  That isn’t the case anymore, and I think even our ‘marquee’ players aren’t as good as we think they are.

With that in mind, I don’t bring back Flip, Cleary, Bert, Howard.  I buy out that disaster of a contract with Franzen and I look at building the team to play in the east.  I also take a good look at the approach the team is taking for drafting and scouting.  We haven’t turned out a 30 goal scorer in ages, and really I’m not sure if we have one on our roster at this point. 

So with that in mind, paying Howard 5.3 for 6 is about as ass backwards as it can get from what I would do.

Posted by WingFanFormerlyInLA on 04/11/13 at 01:50 PM ET

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The correlation is that they were all given those contracts based on performance prior to the date the contract was signed.

No.

The correlation is that once those guys signed those deals, suddenly all the dollars spent on them couldn’t be spent on the guys in front of them, and hilarity ensued.

The smart move is to constantly work through a series of solid goaltenders you can keep for 3-4 years at reasonable prices and then get off the train before they land a big deal from a club that is stupid enough to overpay on a position.

You can’t have it both ways. Either you’re paying a premium for the past, or you’re gambling on the future.

And that’s exactly why I pointed to the teams that pay their goalies a lot.  Doesn’t that illustrate to you that the teams who spend a lot on their goalies have done so to poor effect?

Seriously, 3 of the 9 are bad deals the teams actively hate, 3 more are out of the playoffs, 1 is an 8 seed and the other two aren’t cracking the top 12/20 in GAA and save% respectively… and that doesn’t turn on a big red light regarding the sense in paying a goalie big money?

What would you have to see to recognize that spending big money on a goalie is a huge mistake if that doesn’t do it for you?  I just can’t imagine how it could be made more clear.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/11/13 at 01:50 PM ET

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There was a time when Holland was against paying top dollar for starting goalies as there was a belief in the system as opposed to the goalie.  Where does this leave guys like Mzarek (sp) and Coreau?

Posted by bababooey on 04/11/13 at 01:48 PM ET

Actually Holland has often paid top dollar for a goalie. 

Traded for Vernon.

Traded for Dom

Signed Cujo

Not really unusual for him.  Just a matter of what was available really.

Posted by WingFanFormerlyInLA on 04/11/13 at 01:53 PM ET

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93 comments usually mean an argument, so I’d kindly ask that everybody remember to respect each other’s opinions, even if we strongly disagree.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/11/13 at 01:55 PM ET

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No, he should stop trying to look for “bargains” and start paying market value.

Yes, because the way you really make a team better in a capped league is by paying guys market value.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/11/13 at 01:56 PM ET

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5.3 would make Howard the 10th highest paid Goalie in the NHL.

which is, what, the top 1/3 of starting goalies?  how is that “big money?”  it’s right on target for market value.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:57 PM ET

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Right, because that pairing is so much riskier than going with Osgood Howard was?  Cut it out.

If I remember correctly, the Wings were pretty tight against the cap at that time and there was a hope (if misguided) that Osgood could continue to play at the level he played in the playoffs.  Overall, the Wings didn’t pay more for a goaltender, because they couldn’t.

... and if we’re dropping 5.3 mil a year on a goalie it’s that much more likely that we won’t have anyone that good again on the blue line.

Like it or not, its reasonable to believe we’re not going to have a Lidstrom-level defenseman any time in the next six years, so might as well spend a fair price on a goalie.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 04/11/13 at 01:57 PM ET

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Yes, because the way you really make a team better in a capped league is by paying guys market value.

Better than pissing off a guy by offering less than what he’s worth, losing him to free agency, then having to pay above market value for a scrub.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 04/11/13 at 01:59 PM ET

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In what world is five years at DOUBLE HIS SALARY somehow bottom of the market?

apparently the problem here is you don’t understand what “market” means.  it’s about what other goalies of his general caliber are getting, not about what he got on his current contract.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:59 PM ET

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You clearly can’t be so silly as to be unable to comprehend that a team can still lose despite getting the better goaltending effort, can you?

it’s called reverse logic.  since you abandoned your original argument when faced with the same argument applied in the other direction, and started talking in terms of “can” instead of what actually happened…I’d say it worked (the reverse logic).

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 02:00 PM ET

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I buy out that disaster of a contract with Franzen

Another guy who earns exactly the salary his production is worth.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 04/11/13 at 02:00 PM ET

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Either you’re paying a premium for the past, or you’re gambling on the future.

typically, you’re doing both.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 02:01 PM ET

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going with Gustavsson and Mrazek next year is, frankly, a dumb idea, no matter how much potential Mrazek has.

Right, because that pairing is so much riskier than going with Osgood Howard was?  Cut it out.

wait. Gustavvson has won a Stanley Cup after replacing one of the best goalies in the history of the sport?  when?

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 02:03 PM ET

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  ... and if we’re dropping 5.3 mil a year on a goalie it’s that much more likely that we won’t have anyone that good again on the blue line.

For the billionth time, the cap space is there and Ilitch didn’t become a hobo. If we don’t have that guy, it’s not because of money.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 04/11/13 at 02:03 PM ET

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come on, Guillherme, the league is awash with available Lidstrom-level defensemen.  what’s wrong with you?  we should underpay and get rid of all our quality players, keeping plenty of space under the cap for when one becomes available.  duh.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 02:11 PM ET

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Actually Holland has often paid top dollar for a goalie. 
Traded for Vernon.
Traded for Dom
Signed Cujo

A few things. 

1) All of those happened in a non-cap league.
2) After winning with Vernon they traded him and then won with a less expensive goalie.
3) Only two of those were truly “top dollar” (Dom the first time around and Cujo) and only one of those top dollar goalies resulted in a Cup, and that one was with a virtual all-star team.

apparently the problem here is you don’t understand what “market” means.

Market means that a goalie who hasn’t proven himself in the playoffs probably shouldn’t be one of the best paid goalies in the league on a relatively long contract.

Market value is not an absolute.  Just because you think that offering a player double his salary when he hasn’t proven himself in the playoffs or distinguished himself as being one of the absolute best goalies in the league is “bottom-of-the-market” or somehow insulting to the point that he should simply walk instead of trying to engage in any kind of negotiation doesn’t make it so.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 02:14 PM ET

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we should underpay and get rid of all our quality players, keeping plenty of space under the cap for when one becomes available.

Thanks for accurately pointing out what everyone who disagrees with you is saying.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 02:16 PM ET

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The term is what stood out for me.  I’m guessing that Gustavsson’s got maybe two years left in his frame and then ease Mrazek and Coreau into the next generation Wings backstoppers.

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 04/11/13 at 02:25 PM ET

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There was a time when Holland was against paying top dollar for starting goalies as there was a belief in the system as opposed to the goalie.  Where does this leave guys like Mzarek (sp) and Coreau?

Posted by bababooey on 04/11/13 at 01:48 PM ET

Actually Holland has often paid top dollar for a goalie. 
Traded for Vernon.
Traded for Dom
Signed Cujo

A few things.

1) All of those happened in a non-cap league.
2) After winning with Vernon they traded him and then won with a less expensive goalie.
3) Only two of those were truly “top dollar” (Dom the first time around and Cujo) and only one of those top dollar goalies resulted in a Cup, and that one was with a virtual all-star team.

I really don’t know how any of your points apply to what my response was.  bababooey said there was a time when Holland didn’t pay top dollar for goalies.  As I pointed out, that isn’t true.  So there are the examples, I didn’t mention anything about how successful it was or wasn’t.  And since he pointed out ‘was a time’ implying a while back, I certainly think pre-cap is appropriate. 

 

Posted by WingFanFormerlyInLA on 04/11/13 at 02:27 PM ET

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Just because you think that offering a player double his salary when he hasn’t proven himself in the playoffs or distinguished himself as being one of the absolute best goalies in the league is “bottom-of-the-market” or somehow insulting to the point that he should simply walk instead of trying to engage in any kind of negotiation doesn’t make it so.

you’re confusing my comments, Garth.  the contract he got is market value.  the contract some here are saying he should have been offered ($4m per) is bottom of the market.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 02:36 PM ET

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we should underpay and get rid of all our quality players, keeping plenty of space under the cap for when one becomes available.

Thanks for accurately pointing out what everyone who disagrees with you is saying.

if that is truly what you’re saying - that we should decimate the team in order to keep $10 in cap space for when another Lidstrom rolls around, is available, and wants to play for a team with no other good players on it and hasn’t won in years because they got decimated waiting around for another Lidstrom…then I’m sure glad you have absolutely nothing to do with actual Red Wings team decisions.

the logic of “we shouldn’t have paid Howard this much so we could pay the next Lidstrom, if he ever shows up” is so beyond ridiculous I have trouble even forming a response.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 02:38 PM ET

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I would rather have Howard at $5.3 million than Luongo at $6.7, Bryz at $6.4, or Miller at $6.3.  Of those below $5.3 I am sure Halak would be rated higher but he has a Ken Hitchcock-built defense in front of him.

Posted by BC on 04/11/13 at 02:59 PM ET

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  The correlation is that they were all given those contracts based on performance prior to the date the contract was signed.

No.

The correlation is that once those guys signed those deals, suddenly all the dollars spent on them couldn’t be spent on the guys in front of them, and hilarity ensued.

My point isn’t that those were good contracts, my point is that those contracts were what the market bore out based on each goalie’s past performance. Those teams paid those goalies that money because those dollars were by definition what they were worth when they inked the contract.

Whether or not that money could’ve been spent on other players is immaterial to my argument. Jimmy Howard was going to get this money whether it was from the Red Wings or not. Make no mistake about that. Saying the Wings, as currently constructed, should’ve only paid him ~$4.4 a year for 5 years is fine, but it’s completely meaningless. Because that scenario had no possible chance of occurring.

In other words, you can say you don’t like the contract. That is totally fine and a defensible position. But you can’t say “the Wings should’ve paid him ~$1 million less a year.” That’s just magical thinking.

I think what you’re really saying is that the Wings shouldn’t have re-signed him at all, which, again, is fine. And, again, defensible. But just say that. Don’t say they “overpaid” him. They didn’t. He was going to get this money somewhere.

The smart move is to constantly work through a series of solid goaltenders you can keep for 3-4 years at reasonable prices and then get off the train before they land a big deal from a club that is stupid enough to overpay on a position.

That’s a great idea. Let me know when you figure out how to do that, because you’ll be the first person in the history of the world to have done so.

Working through a series of low-cost, solid goaltenders organizationally requires an astronomical combination of luck and skill. Mostly luck. That’s why it doesn’t happen.

 

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/11/13 at 03:05 PM ET

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My feeling is if you can get one of the five or six best goalies in the league you can spend the money. We can’t get into those guys, and the difference between the eighth goalie in the league and the 15th goalie, it’s a big difference in money. It’s not a big difference in performance.

-Kenny Holland 2009

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/11/13 at 04:10 PM ET

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i still want my no cap league so we can buy our all star team again. It sure was damn fun hockey to watch, wasnt it boys? Good times!

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 04/11/13 at 04:32 PM ET

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And since he pointed out ‘was a time’ implying a while back, I certainly think pre-cap is appropriate.

I don’t think he was implying that at all.  In fact, the “time” when Holland didn’t pay top dollar for hist starting goalies was from the beginning of the new CBA until the day that he officially signed Howard to this very contract.  It’s been nearly a decade since he paid top dollar for his goaltending.

you’re confusing my comments, Garth.  the contract he got is market value.  the contract some here are saying he should have been offered ($4m per) is bottom of the market.

Fair enough, my apologies.

Posted by Garth on 04/16/13 at 01:49 PM ET

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