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TSN’s Aaron Ward reports that Red Wings are close to extension with Howard

Updated 19x at 2:33 PM: This just popped up, and it's a bit of a doozy:

Update: Ah yes, but a report is a "report":

Update #2: Ditto, says the Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness:

Update #3:

Update #4: As the worm turns!

If Howard were to be re-signed at that number, it would complicate the Wings' cap situation with Valtteri Filppula, Daniel Cleary, Drew Miller and Ian White set to become unrestricted free agents, Brendan Smith, Joakim Andersson and Gustav Nyquist coming off their entry-level deals, and Jakub Kindl set to become a RFA.

The Wings would clearly have to use some of their compliance buy-outs (see: Mikael Samuelsson makes $3 million, and Colaiacovo makes $2.5 million; if Todd Bertuzzi can't play next year, the Wings would put him on the LTIR, and I just don't believe that they're going to buy out Franzen) to carve out what would jump from about $12 million in cap space to $17.5 million in cap space.

Update #5: Nevermind...

Update #6: And now, here comes the text, per TSN...

The Detroit Red Wings and goaltender Jimmy Howard are close to finalizing a six-year, $31.8 million contract extension.

The 29-year-old Howard has been with the Red Wings organization since being drafted by the club in the second round (64th overall) of the 2003 NHL Entry Draft.

Through 33 games this season, Howard is 16-12-4 with a 2.41 goals-against average and .917 save percentage. His 16 victories currently places him 11th in the NHL.

MLive's Ansar Khan...

Detroit Red Wings general manager Ken Holland said today that the club is not close to signing goaltender Jimmy Howard, despite a report.

Former Red Wing Aaron Ward of tsn.ca tweeted that Howard is "on the verge of coming to terms on a 6-year deal paying in the range of $5.3 million per season.''

However, Holland said in a text that Howard is "on the same verge as one-week ago.''

MLive.com reported last month that the sides were making good progress on a deal that would pay Howard more than $5 million per season for at least five years.

And Pro Hockey Talk's Ryan Dadoun:

It looks like Jimmy Howard will be the Detroit Red Wings’ starting goaltender for years to come.

Howard is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent this summer, but the Red Wings are close to inking him to a six-year contract, according to TSN’s Aaron Ward.

The deal will reportedly pay Howard something in the ballpark of $5.3 million annually. That represents a major, though not unexpected, jump from the $2.25 million he was owed in 2012-13 before the lockout began.

The 29-year-old has emerged as one of the NHL’s top goaltenders. He’s in his fourth season as Detroit’s starter and, despite a shaky start to the season, has a 2.41 GAA and .917 save percentage in 33 starts.

If the length of the deal is accurate, Howard would join Johan Franzen, Henrik Zetterberg, and Niklas Kronwall as members of the Red Wings’ core that are secured through at least the 2018-19 campaign.

Update #7: Via RedWingsFeed, here's the Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness's report:

Wings goalie Jimmy Howard confirmed he’s close to signing a six-year extension to remain with the club.

Howard said after the morning skate at Joe Louis Arena Thursday that he’s “very close” to signing an extension.

The deal could signed by the end of the weekend.

Howard is in the final year of a deal that’s paying him $2.25 million a season.

Update #8: The Detroit News's Ted Kulfan weighs in...

Via RedWingsFeed, the Windsor Star's Bob Duff's posted a video of Howard speaking to the press about much more than just his deal:

Update #9: Duff, repeated via Twitter...

And the AP's Larry Lage weighs in:

Detroit Red Wings goaltender Jimmy Howard says he's "really, really close" to signing a contract extension.

Howard declined to give details Thursday morning and the team says it has nothing to announce.

He is in the second season of a two-year, $4.5 million deal.

The 29-year-old Howard is the first goalie in franchise history to win at least 35 games in each of his first three full seasons. He is 16-12-4 this year, his fourth full season in net, entering a possibly pivotal game Thursday night against the San Jose Sharks.

Detroit is clinging to eighth place in the Western Conference and is hoping to close the season well enough to make a 22nd straight postseason appearance.

Howard says he's focused on helping the Red Wings be in the playoffs.

Update #10: From the Free Press's Carlos Monarrez:

Detroit Red Wings goaltender Jimmy Howard says he’s “really, really close” to signing a contract extension.

Howard declined to give details this morning and the team says it has nothing to announce.

He is in the second season of a two-year, $4.5 million deal.

The 29-year-old Howard is the first goalie in franchise history to win at least 35 games in each of his first three full seasons. He is 16-12-4 this year, his fourth full season in net, entering a possibly pivotal game Thursday night against the San Jose Sharks.

Detroit is clinging to eighth place in the Western Conference and is hoping to close the season well enough to make a 22nd straight postseason appearance.

Howard says he’s focused on helping the Red Wings be in the playoffs.

Update #11: MLive's Ansar Khan adds quotes from Howard to the mix:

“It's really, really close,'' Howard said after the morning skate, before the Red Wings host the San Jose Sharks tonight (7:30, Fox Sports Detroit).

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“I wanted to be here,'' Howard said. “I get along great with everyone here. I believe in this organization. I appreciate how they've treated me.''

Howard, 29, arguably has been the club's most valuable player during this transition season. He is 16-11-4, with a 2.45 goals-against average and .916 save percentage.

“First thought for me was providing for my family and to have that security blanket for them means the most,'' Howard said. “It feels good. I've worked really hard, paid my dues in the minors.''

Said the coach:

“Howie has worked hard and the organization has confidence in him,'' Babcock said. “It's important for us. We need good goaltending. Just how much parity there is, we need him each and every night and he's been excellent for us.''

Babcock said Howard has improved his consistency.

“In anybody's game, there's things he can work on,'' Babcock said. “He can always work on his puck-handling, and he's been working on that. To me, what he's done is become a guy you can count on. That's what you need in this league. The bottom line for us is we hope this gets done so we can get on with winning games.''

Update #12: Here's the Windsor Star's Bob Duff in article form:

“It’s really, really close,” Howard said before Thursday’s game at Joe Louis Arena against the San Jose Sharks. “Hopefully, by the end of the weekend. Pretty much it’s all the little stuff that’s left (to be worked out).”

In his fifth season with the Wings, Howard, 29, indicated he had no desire to test the free-agent market this summer.

“To be honest, I wanted to be here,” Howard said. “I get along great with everyone here. I believe in this organization and I think we’re going to get the job done.”

Detroit coach Mike Babcock was pleased to know that Howard would soon be locked into the fold on a long-term basis.

“I think it’s a great deal,” Babcock said. “Obviously, Howie has worked hard and the organization has confidence in him. It’s important for us. We need good goaltending. With just how much parity there is, we need him each and every night and he’s been excellent for us.”

Update #13: From Duff:

Update #14: The Detroit News's Ted Kulfan weighs in as well:

"With such a condensed schedule, and so many games in a short amount of time, I haven't had much time to think about it," said Howard, who admitted it was more of an issue three seasons ago when going through his first contract negotiation.

Howard, a 2003 second-round pick of the Red Wings, was groomed in Grand Rapids and doesn't want to test the free agent market this summer.

"I wanted to be here," Howard said. "I get along great with everyone here, and I believe in this organization and I want to get the job done."

The security of being with one organization is nice, but Howard said, "It wasn't even my first thought. My first thought was providing for my family, and to be able to have that security for them means the most." Howard's consistency is what's appealing to coach Mike Babcock.

"With anybody, there's things you can work on," Babcock said. "But to me, what he's done is become a guy who you can count on. That's what you need in this league. It's a great deal. Obviously Howie has worked hard and the organization has confidence in him. It's important for us, we need good goaltending with how much parity there is. He's been excellent for us."

Update #15: Hmmm...

Update #16: DetroitRedWings.com's Bill Roose spoke to Howard, too:

On Thursday, the veteran goaltender confirmed that he and the organization are on the verge of finalizing a six-year contract extension that could wind up being worth a reported $5.3 million.

“It’s really, really close,” Howard said. “We’ll see. You never know. Hopefully by the end of the weekend.”

Howard said only “the little stuff” remains before the deal is settled, which will make Howard the fourth Wings’ player signed through the 2018-19 season, joining Johan Franzen, Niklas Kronwall and Henrik Zetterberg.

Howard is the only goalie in team history to win at least 35 games in each of his first three seasons. He has a 16-12-4 record this year, his fourth season between the pipes. And while the 29-year-old Syracuse, N.Y., native struggled early on this season, but he’s rebounded enough to produce a 2.41 goals-against average with a .917 save percentage in 33 starts.

“Howie has worked hard and the organization has confidence in him,” coach Mike Babcock said. “It's important for us. We need good goaltending. Just how much parity there is, we need him each and every night and he's been excellent for us.”

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“I wanted to be here,” said Howard, who will start tonight in a crucial game against the San Jose Sharks. “I get along great with everyone here. I believe in this organization … It feels good, I mean I’ve worked really, really hard, paid my dues in the minors and really became a professional. To see it pay-off here shortly is a good thrill for my family and I.”

Update #17: ESPN's Craig Custance has weighed in as well:

Goaltender Jimmy Howard and the Red Wings are finalizing the last details on a new contract that will keep the goalie in Detroit long term.

"It's close," he told ESPN.com.

Howard confirmed with reporters that's it's a six-year deal, with TSN's Aaron Ward the first to report that it's worth about $5.3 million per season.

As the Red Wings have battled to stay in the playoff chase through injuries and a revamped defense, Howard has been one of Detroit's most consistent performers. He's 16-12-4 with a .917 save percentage and 2.41 goals-against average this season. He was set to become an unrestricted free agent this summer after signing a two-year, $4.5 million contract in 2011.

The new contract comes with a healthy raise and a commitment from the team that could keep the 29-year-old New York native with the Red Wings late into his career.

"It definitely means a lot," he said. "I started my career here, being drafted almost 11 years ago this June. It definitely means a lot to stick around here."

Update #18: Yahoo Sports' Greg "Puck Daddy" Wyshynski likes the deal.

Update #19: The Free Press's Carlos Monarrez posted a clip of Howard discussing the high probability of him re-signing shortly:

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And he could carry the team on his back like he’s been doing in the regular season.

Which is exactly why this much money and this many years is a huge risk.

He could shit the bed in the playoffs and he could carry the team on his back.  And we really have no clue which it will be.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 12:59 PM ET

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particularly on the eve of a potential playoff appearance where he could completely shit the bed and perform even worse than last season.

you mean the playoffs where the Wings only scored more than 2 goals once in 5 games, averaging 1.8 goals per game?

yeah, Howard was why they lost.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:00 PM ET

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I guess you’d rather let him walk then, because that’s what would happen if the Wings offered him that.

That’s a pretty interesting statement to make when you’re talking about a guy who says he never considered testing the free agent market.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:01 PM ET

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He could shit the bed in the playoffs and he could carry the team on his back.  And we really have no clue which it will be.

how is that different from, you know, any other goalie on the planet?

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:02 PM ET

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He could shit the bed in the playoffs and he could carry the team on his back.  And we really have no clue which it will be.

What goalie in the league is a sure thing?

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 04/11/13 at 01:02 PM ET

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That’s a pretty interesting statement to make when you’re talking about a guy who says he never considered testing the free agent market.

but maybe he would have if they had offered him the kind of bottom-of-the-market contract you’re suggesting.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:03 PM ET

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“A sh*tload of money?”

Are you guys just choosing not to look at the list of goalie salaries that is posted right at the top of this thread?

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/11/13 at 01:06 PM ET

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Like I said, it could be argued (and I would argue) that Howard is better than 7 of the 10 goalies who will make more money than him based on this deal.

I don’t think that’s a good jump off point for a substantive comparison, though. 

1) At least three of those deals are ones which are demonstrably awful for the teams who signed them… which goes quite a ways towards proving the point that dropping a lot of money of a goalie is a hugely risky proposition.

2) A bunch of the other teams off that list aren’t playoff clubs, which goes pretty much the rest of the way in demonstrating that spending that much on a goalie is a risky proposition.

You can get a really solid goalie for less than 4 mil a year.  I know this because only one of the goalies in the top 11 in GAA makes more than 4 mil a year (Lundqvist at 8th).  I know this because only 3 of the top 20 in save % makes more than 4 mil a year (Lundqvist at 6th, Fleury at 17th, Rinne tied for 19th).

So sure, if you’re getting a Lundqvist-class goalie I don’t mind going over 5 for them over pretty much any rational term of contract.  For anyone else?  Screw it.  Go cheap and get a bunch of depth in the system there in case of a flame out.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/11/13 at 01:06 PM ET

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great, so we get an extra .25 goals per game and give up an extra 1 goal a game.  great plan.

I don’t think math is exactly your trump suit, if you know what I mean.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/11/13 at 01:07 PM ET

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the only thing that this entire discussion has actually proven is that salary is NOT a good indicator of a goalie’s future performance - so both sides are wrong in saying that paying more for a “better” goalie is a solid choice, as well as that you could get a solid goalie for less.

the only measure of what a goalie “should” be paid is the market.  and Howard’s contract is right in the middle of the market.

how a goalie plays has nothing to do with how much he’s paid - and every goalie on the planet could have a superstar playoffs (see: Osgood 2008) or completely tank. 

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:10 PM ET

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Go cheap and get a bunch of depth in the system there in case of a flame out.

I’d be all for this if Holland (and the rest of the smartasses) knew how to spend his money. If he’s gonna overpay anyone, at least let it be a dependable goalie and not Samuelsson.

Like we said on the other post, it’s not about Howard, it’s about Holland.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 04/11/13 at 01:10 PM ET

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  I guess you’d rather let him walk then, because that’s what would happen if the Wings offered him that.

That’s a pretty interesting statement to make when you’re talking about a guy who says he never considered testing the free agent market.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:01 PM ET

They should’ve offer him a 1-year $100 contract then. That’s MLive message board thinking.

KEN HOLLEND SHOULD GET FIERD HE COULD OF HAD JIMMY HOARD FOR A BAG OF PEANUTS!!11 BRING BACK PROGBERT AND KOSHUR AND TRADE LINDSTROM!11

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/11/13 at 01:10 PM ET

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great, so we get an extra .25 goals per game and give up an extra 1 goal a game.  great plan.

I don’t think math is exactly your trump suit, if you know what I mean.

have you SEEN Gustavvson play?!

 

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:10 PM ET

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What goalie in the league is a sure thing?

Exactly.  Which is why it’s a huge risk to sign someone for big money and long term.  And which is exactly why the Wings have chosen not to pay big money to their goalies in the past.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:12 PM ET

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I don’t think math is exactly your trump suit, if you know what I mean.

my bad, we’d gain .25-.35 goals per game (a 20-28 goal scorer) and give up an extra .5 goals per game (Howard at 2.41GAA, Gustavvson at 2.92GAA)

 

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:12 PM ET

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Which is why it’s a huge risk to sign someone for big money and long term.

$5.3 per year is NOT BIG MONEY FOR A GOALIE.  facts are not your friend, my friend.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:13 PM ET

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If he’s gonna overpay anyone, at least let it be a dependable goalie and not Samuelsson.

Good point.

They should’ve offer him a 1-year $100 contract then. That’s MLive message board thinking.
KEN HOLLEND SHOULD GET FIERD HE COULD OF HAD JIMMY HOARD FOR A BAG OF PEANUTS!!11 BRING BACK PROGBERT AND KOSHUR AND TRADE LINDSTROM!11

Not sure why you quoted my comment…

Is what I said really so unreasonable?  If he never considered free agency then I think it’s fair to assume he wouldn’t have simply walked if he wasn’t offered this exact contract.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:14 PM ET

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you mean the playoffs where the Wings only scored more than 2 goals once in 5 games, averaging 1.8 goals per game?

yeah, Howard was why they lost.

I think we can add ‘history’ to your list of subjects which require further review.

For his career Howard has performed worse in the playoffs than he has in the regular season.

I know you appear to be in the mood to staunchly defend him, but if you don’t think Howard’s 2.63 GAA and .888 save % was a big problem last year, then I can’t take your position on either Howard in specific or goaltending in general very seriously.  Was Howard the reason Detroit lost?  Of course not.

The ‘problem’ here is that Howard always looks like the lesser goalie in the series Detroit loses.  Rinne last year, Niemi two years ago, Nabokov 3 years ago.  If you’re spending 5.3 mil a year on a guy, he can’t be the lesser goalie all the time.  He’s got to be the superior goalie.

Is that Howard?  For that money it sure better be or Detroit’s going to have a problem.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/11/13 at 01:16 PM ET

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$5.3 per year is NOT BIG MONEY FOR A GOALIE.

I can yell too.

IT IS BIG MONEY FOR A GOALIE WHO IS UNPROVEN IN THE PLAYOFFS.

facts are not your friend, my friend.

Your belief in something doesn’t make it a fact, pal.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:17 PM ET

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And which is exactly why the Wings have chosen not to pay big money to their goalies in the past.

Because they used to spend their money better and build teams that didn’t need a well-above-average goalie.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 04/11/13 at 01:17 PM ET

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Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/11/13 at 01:06 PM ET

I understand your point, but the problem is that you can’t just “get a real solid goalie for $4 mil a year.” You can have a real solid goalie for $4 mil a year, but they’re very difficult to get. Do you know what I mean?

All (or most) of those good goalies in good value contracts are either young or overachieving based on past performance. None of them were signed to a contract based on their current production.

You could gamble and hope that Mrazek is the next Hasek, and you ride him out on the cheap for a couple years, but it’s a pretty big gamble. Howard is a known quantity.

I actually agree with you about Mrazek. I think his upside is higher than Howard’s was, but it’s still a pretty big gamble. Everybody thought Tom McCollumn was going to be the next #1 and he’s completely off the prospect radar now.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/11/13 at 01:18 PM ET

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Is what I said really so unreasonable?  If he never considered free agency then I think it’s fair to assume he wouldn’t have simply walked if he wasn’t offered this exact contract.

common sense, please use it.  what is fair to assume is that if they offered him a bottom-of-the-market contract then he WOULD have considered free agency.  he saw right out of the gate they were committed to paying him market value, so he didn’t bother considering it.

The ‘problem’ here is that Howard always looks like the lesser goalie in the series Detroit loses.  Rinne last year, Niemi two years ago, Nabokov 3 years ago.  If you’re spending 5.3 mil a year on a guy, he can’t be the lesser goalie all the time.  He’s got to be the superior goalie.

ignore the other 5 guys in front of him, you know.  it’s not like that exact 3 years is the exact 3 years the Wings’ defense has been sliding downward.  oh, wait, yeah it is.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:18 PM ET

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Jesus, some of you guys.

It doesn’t matter who we have in the net with some of you.  Zombie Sawchuk could rise and post an 82-0 record, run the table in the playoffs, win the Conn Smythe, Hart, and Vezina… and you’d gripe that he makes $500,000 a year too much because you shouldn’t consider a goalie a cornerstone as a principle dammit, and his rebounds go 6” too far to the left, and it’s a liability that his right ear keeps falling off during stoppages of play.  Nevermind his numbers, or facts, or anything of actual context.

When we had guys like Osgood and Legace you griped that we needed a top-tier goalie in order to win.  Now we have a top-tier goalie, and you want an Osgood or Legace because “that’s how you win”.  Just WTF is it you *want*?

Guess what?  The Wings have won Cups in recent memory with BOTH types.

For now, I’m freaking happy that the Wings locked up someone to a long-term deal that’s actually worth it, as opposed to overpaying losers like Ericsson, Quincey, and Samuelsson who seem to have no lack of defenders despite their lack of contributions.

Posted by Primis on 04/11/13 at 01:20 PM ET

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And which is exactly why the Wings have chosen not to pay big money to their goalies in the past.

Look, a reasonable person

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 04/11/13 at 01:23 PM ET

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The ‘problem’ here is that Howard always looks like the lesser goalie in the series Detroit loses. 

oh, and how did he look (compared to the other goalie) in the two playoff series the Wings DID win in those 3 years?  hmmmmm….

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:23 PM ET

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“the goalie whose team loses the series looks worse than the goalie whose team wins the series”

brilliant, Mr. Obvious.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/11/13 at 01:24 PM ET

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Damn, forgot to copy

Posted by Primis on 04/11/13 at 01:20 PM ET

There’s your reasonable person

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 04/11/13 at 01:25 PM ET

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If he never considered free agency then I think it’s fair to assume he wouldn’t have simply walked if he wasn’t offered this exact contract.

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:14 PM ET

If his agent ever wanted to work again in this business, he would’ve dropped Howard as a client if he accepted that deal.

And the NHLPA would’ve sent someone over to Howard’s house with a crow bar.

4 years at $16 million for a goalie of Howard’s caliber is an absolute f*cking joke. Unless Howard’s agent is his Uncle Gus from Watertown, it wouldn’t happen even if he was OK with it.

 

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/11/13 at 01:25 PM ET

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$5.3 per year is NOT BIG MONEY FOR A GOALIE.  facts are not your friend, my friend.

Oh good grief.  5.3 would make Howard the 10th highest paid Goalie in the NHL.

Of the 9 guys ahead of him 3 are contracts that the teams would love to be able to evaporate without harm (Luongo, Bryzgalov, Kiprusoff), 3 more aren’t in the playoffs (Rinne, Miller and Ward), and 1 more is the 8 seed (Lundqvist)

7 of the 9 contracts ahead of him are either disasters or on teams that aren’t in the playoffs… and you don’t see the correlation there?  Holy bleep, dude.

And oh yeah, the other two guys (Price and Backstrom) are 12th/t-21st and 19th/t-21st in GAA and save% respectively.  Wow.  However could those clubs have found guys to perform at that level without spending 6.5 and 6 mil a year on each of them?

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/11/13 at 01:26 PM ET

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Because they used to spend their money better and build teams that didn’t need a well-above-average goalie.

Oh, I get it now…because Holland has developed a habit of spending poorly on poor skaters he should spend poorly on a “well-above-average” (that’s regular season, by the way) goalie? Right on.

By the way I’m not suggesting that Howard hasn’t been a really good regular season goaltender. He absolutely is a big part of why Detroit is even sniffing the playoffs this season. My concern is, based on past performance, that once/if the playoffs begin for Detroit that he will once again become a completely average goaltender.

Then again I’m one of those people who still believes that just making the playoffs isn’t anything to celebrate, and that a Cup is and should always be the goal for this team.

Posted by godblender on 04/11/13 at 01:26 PM ET

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Are you guys just choosing not to look at the list of goalie salaries that is posted right at the top of this thread?

Are you choosing to pretend that a six year, $30M+ contract is not a lot of money or that a contract which puts him in the top ten in goaltender cap hits and in the top three cap hits on his team is somehow nore a lot of money?

Or that this contract is being worked out with the absolutely knowledge that the cap is going down by a significant amount and with no idea how quickly it will come back up?

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:26 PM ET

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Jimmy is good and reliable but 5.3 mm is elite pay imo.

Disagree. I think elite pay for a goalie nowadays is around 6.5 to 7 mil

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 04/11/13 at 01:26 PM ET

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oh, and how did he look (compared to the other goalie) in the two playoff series the Wings DID win in those 3 years?  hmmmmm….

Bryzgalaov??! Are you fuc*ing joking?

Posted by godblender on 04/11/13 at 01:28 PM ET

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As usual, people complain, but don’t have any good solutions.  Howard would be paid like a goalie is a step below the elite goalies, which is what he is.  He’s been a fairly goalie, so we know he can do the job, despite everybody being so sure he’ll choke in the playoffs.  There are also few other options.  We won’t find a better goalie availible in free agency or by the trade market, and going with Gustavsson and Mrazek next year is, frankly, a dumb idea, no matter how much potential Mrazek has.  Also, with Detroit can’t necessarily do goaltending on the cheap anymore, sicne we no longer have one of the game’s all time great defensemen.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 04/11/13 at 01:29 PM ET

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*Bryzgalov*

Posted by godblender on 04/11/13 at 01:30 PM ET

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As an aside, Josh Johnson is on my fantasy team so we can all pencil in an automatic win for the Tigers today if my fantasy season so far is any indication.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/11/13 at 01:31 PM ET

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4 years at $16 million for a goalie of Howard’s caliber is an absolute f*cking joke.

Hey, howzabout you drop the straw man?  Who said 4 years at $16M?.

You specifically responded to “5 years and 22-23 mil is the highest I’d ever want to go on Howard”

That’s five years at nearly double his salary.

what is fair to assume is that if they offered him a bottom-of-the-market contract then he WOULD have considered free agency.

In what world is five years at DOUBLE HIS SALARY somehow bottom of the market?

Posted by Garth on 04/11/13 at 01:34 PM ET

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I think the issue with resigning Howard for some is this.  He puts up decent numbers in the regular season but really hasn’t proven to be anything above average in the playoffs.  The length of the deal makes it unlikely that you could trade him anytime soon and you probably aren’t going to be seeing Mrazek play for the Wings or any other prospects.  So that means they are counting on Howard in the playoffs.  As someone has pointed out, he rarely is the better goalie in playoff matchups to date. 

So what are the expectations? I don’t like the deal.  Maybe it was the only parameters that Howard would’ve agreed to (particularly the years) and if so, I would’ve tried to have moved him before the deadline or let him walk after the season.  I just don’t think he’s a good enough goalie to lock up long term.  And frankly there are very few I would. 

And for God’s sake this doesn’t excuse anyone else on the team for sucking in the playoffs of late.  This is a discussion about the goaltending position, the rest of the team is another topic.

Posted by WingFanFormerlyInLA on 04/11/13 at 01:34 PM ET

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ignore the other 5 guys in front of him, you know.  it’s not like that exact 3 years is the exact 3 years the Wings’ defense has been sliding downward.  oh, wait, yeah it is.

So if everything is the players in front of him why do you want to spend so much money on a goalie?  You agree with me and you don;t even realize it.

oh, and how did he look (compared to the other goalie) in the two playoff series the Wings DID win in those 3 years?  hmmmmm….

... and how much were those goalies paid?

“the goalie whose team loses the series looks worse than the goalie whose team wins the series”

brilliant, Mr. Obvious.

Come on… now you’re just trolling.  You clearly can’t be so silly as to be unable to comprehend that a team can still lose despite getting the better goaltending effort, can you?

4 years at $16 million for a goalie of Howard’s caliber is an absolute f*cking joke.

What’s Howard’s caliber?  Anderson, Bobrovsky, Emery, Rask, Schneider, Fleury, Crawford… is Howard better than all of those guys?  Most of them?  Hell, any of them?

Goalie is way, way deeper than you seem to think it is.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/11/13 at 01:35 PM ET

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7 of the 9 contracts ahead of him are either disasters or on teams that aren’t in the playoffs… and you don’t see the correlation there?  Holy bleep, dude.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/11/13 at 01:26 PM ET

The correlation is that they were all given those contracts based on performance prior to the date the contract was signed.

You can’t have it both ways. Either you’re paying a premium for the past, or you’re gambling on the future.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/11/13 at 01:36 PM ET

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