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Tradable?

from Ansar Khan of Mlive,

Here a look at every player's potential trade value and an analysis of whether the club might consider dealing him this year or in the near future.

Many of these players have some form of no-trade clause, which may or may not impact their ability to be dealt.

Justin Abdelkader
Contract: Five years remaining at a $4.25 million cap hit.

Too much money and way too much term for any team to be interested even if the club wanted to move him and he agreed to waive his no-trade clause (full through 2019-20), which is unlikely. His gritty, physical style results in a lot of hard minutes and is conducive to injuries, which could make him difficult to move even later in his career (a modified NTC takes effect in 2020-21).

Danny DeKeyser
Contract: Four years remaining at $5 million cap hit.

His performance has declined the past two seasons, reducing his trade value. Defensemen often are in demand, but that’s probably too much money and term for anyone to bite. Plus, he has a full no-trade clause until 2021.

Darren Helm
Contract:
Three years remaining at $3.85 million cap hit.

Expect the Red Wings to actively shop him, in hopes that his speed and checking ability will attract suitors. Problem is, even if the club retained some salary, teams would be hesitant to assume his contract, especially with questions about his health and durability. It might be moot, anyway, since he has a full no-trade clause through the 2018-19 season.

the rest of the team....

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PierreC's avatar

interesting article in the french paper this morning. Get your google translator out. The Habs are lurking toward XO..


https://www.msn.com/fr-ca/sports/canadiens-de-montreal/xavier-ouellet-une-belle-occasion-de-rédemption-pour-le-canadien/ar-AAv7MVw?ocid=spartandhp

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 01/26/18 at 12:08 PM ET

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Retained salary makes contracts a lot more tradeable as well as the cap floor. Let’s look at the players, for their full salary and remaining term and if they’d be desired by a playoff team:

Helm: No
Abdelkader: No
DDK: No
AA: duh
Bertuzzi: duh
Booth: yes
Daley: yes
Ericsson: yes (defenseman premium)
Frk: No (he is an AHL player)
Glenny: yes
Green: yes
Howard: yes (goalie premium)
Jensen: sure
Kronwall: probably
Larkin: duh
Mantha: duh
Mrazek: yes
Nielsen: yes
Nyquist: yes
XO: yes
Tatar: sure
Witkowski: yes
Z: lol. no.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/26/18 at 12:09 PM ET

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Maybe I was a bit too harsh on Z and too free with Glenny/Witkowski. Oh well.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/26/18 at 12:10 PM ET

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So when does the bidding war for Green get started? Another -4 for him. He’s now -5 on the year. Check out his monthly totals:

October - 11 points, +3
November - 7 points, -3
December - 4 points, -3
January - 4 points, -2 (including minus 6 in his last 2 games)

Yeah, when FS argued his trade value would actually diminish over time, well I was called an idiot. Everyone KNOWS that his value can only RISE as the trade deadline nears. That’s when the bidding war really gets going. I mean, there might be 16 teams bidding for Mike Green. Maybe even a few more teams just on the bubble. So maybe like 20 teams will be lining up for Mike Green. Especially since there are no other d-men that will be put up for sale as more and more teams fall out of contention.

It’s going to be hilarious to see how underwhelming the return is for Mike Green. But the fanboys will quickly come to Kenny’s defense. We’ll hear about how the offers in Nov/Dec were probably like just a 4th round pick or something, so by waiting Kenny really played this perfectly. And of course it will be one of these issues that nobody will ever prove, but we know Kenny will be applauded regardless.  rolleyes

Same with Jimmy Howard. The guy had no value last year. Couldn’t give him away. But a month ago he had legit value. Could have likely flipped him to NYI for the expiring Halak, and a pick/prospect. Now? Jimmy is back to having ZERO value. Well played Kenny!

Posted by fatsavage on 01/26/18 at 12:22 PM ET

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I would listen on anyone but the “big three” (Larkin, Mantha, AA ) and Z. Everyone else, you offer me the right return, they are all yours. It still surprises me that both Custance and Ansar are reporting that the Wings are actively willing to trade Howard. This seems like such a deviation from what appeared to be the case all season until recently. Could this be a sign that Holland is ready to really do what it takes to get this thing turned around? Maybe.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 12:26 PM ET

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This is a really depressing article. Just another reminder that at least half a team has contracts no other team can be possibly interested in. Either too much term or too much money or the player is just not good enough or all of it combined. And somehow these contracts have also no trade clauses.

Posted by VPalmer on 01/26/18 at 12:26 PM ET

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It’s really depressing looking at all the NTCs on this team.

Posted by hockeyfreak13 from Grand Rapids on 01/26/18 at 12:28 PM ET

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Posted by VPalmer on 01/26/18 at 11:26 AM ET

Exactly my thoughts.

Posted by hockeyfreak13 from Grand Rapids on 01/26/18 at 12:29 PM ET

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If anybody offers a first rounder for Z and he agrees to a trade, have to do it. Although I personally prefer him to stay for another season to be a leader for our young players.

Posted by VPalmer on 01/26/18 at 12:29 PM ET

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Hopefully the next GM realizes that you do not have to give a NTC to every player or sign every player to unmovable contracts.

Posted by Steve1306 on 01/26/18 at 12:34 PM ET

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If anybody offers a first rounder for Z and he agrees to a trade, have to do it. Although I personally prefer him to stay for another season to be a leader for our young players.

If Z wants out, and someone offers something that you can’t say no to for him, then sure. But I don’t think Z wants out. I would not put him on the table unless he wants that.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/26/18 at 12:34 PM ET

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Darren Helm
Contract: Three years remaining at $3.85 million cap hit.

I mean, I know that’s his contract, but it still doesn’t fail to take you aback when you see it in writing.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie, MI on 01/26/18 at 12:53 PM ET

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I would listen on anyone but the “big three” (Larkin, Mantha, AA )

I think there is only one.  Mantha/AA?  What’s the return offer?

Posted by duhduhduh on 01/26/18 at 12:54 PM ET

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You need guys like Z and Kronner in the locker room, especially one filled with kids.
Retain some salary on Helm and I think KH can find a trade partner.

And dear lord, does KH love to give out NTC.

Posted by George0211 on 01/26/18 at 12:55 PM ET

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Another -4 for him.

well, maybe if a certain few young guys didn’t make mistakes those 4 minuses wouldn’t be the case. This is why +/- is not the best way to evaluate a player. A guy might be doing his job while someone else doesn’t. I’m sure some people think those goals were Jimmy’s fault…...

Context. again. sigh.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/26/18 at 12:58 PM ET

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I think there is only one.  Mantha/AA?  What’s the return offer?

Posted by MoreShoot on 01/26/18 at 11:54 AM ET

Me too. If the right offer comes along for AA/Mantha I’d do it. It would be have to be a steep offer, but, I’d be listening.

Larkin has shown, to me, that he has what it takes on the inside to be successful. That’s the kind of player to build around.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/26/18 at 01:00 PM ET

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Retain some salary on Helm and I think KH can find a trade partner.

Posted by George0211 on 01/26/18 at 11:55 AM ET

I’d consider eating as much salary as possible on all contracts 3 years or less, if rebuilding. That nets some additional prospects and makes room to see if young guys currently in the system can hack it.

Keep the longer one’s and hope they can help the kids learn the behaviors of hard working players.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/26/18 at 01:03 PM ET

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This is why +/- is not the best way to evaluate a player.

QFT

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/26/18 at 01:15 PM ET

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Guys, awarding players an NTC is a common way for GMs to negotiate a lower cap hit. If you lower your salary demands, we’ll counter with an NTC so you have extra job security/stability. We win. You win.

So you can whine about the NTCs now, but this was the only way to get talented players like Abby, Helm, Dekeyser, Nielsen, Ericsson, etc…to agree to the DISCOUNTED contracts that they signed.

Sincerely, Kenny

Posted by fatsavage on 01/26/18 at 01:15 PM ET

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Booth: yes

This is the same guy who has cleared waivers THREE TIMES this season. right?

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 01/26/18 at 01:23 PM ET

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Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 01/26/18 at 12:23 PM ET

When rosters expand, and Booth doesn’t HAVE to stay with the NHL team for 30 days (waiver rules)...yes, he might be somebody that is valued by another team.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/26/18 at 01:29 PM ET

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Booth: yes

This is the same guy who has cleared waivers THREE TIMES this season. right?

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 01/26/18 at 12:23 PM ET

What you are missing is this:

-if you make a waiver claim then you have to have a roster spot for that player. Teams clearly didn’t want to waive an existing player to make room for David Booth.

-but the roster limits are removed after the trade deadline. Now a team can acquire David Booth for a 6th or 7th round pick and stash him away as a depth forward. If I’m a legit Cup contender and my 13th and 14th depth forwards are a couple of inexperienced young players, then I might take comfort in adding Booth to that mix. If a forward gets hurt, I’d rather insert David Booth into game 7 of a series. He can take a regular shift on a 4th line without killing me. He might even pop in a goal for us.

Big difference! Lots of precedence of this. Look at Nashville last year. Their 13,14,15 forwards were all younger kids. So they added vets like Vern Fiddler, and Cody McLeod at the deadline. They didn’t play every night, but when faced with injuries, Nashville obviously felt more comfortable inserting these veterans in the playoffs than they did an inexperienced AHL player.

Truthbomb.

Posted by fatsavage on 01/26/18 at 01:42 PM ET

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That’s really depressing when you see that most of your team is untradeable. Realistically, only Green, Nyquist, and the goalies… possibly XO could be traded but that’s it.

Posted by SnarkinLarkin on 01/26/18 at 02:00 PM ET

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Posted by SnarkinLarkin on 01/26/18 at 01:00 PM ET

Sadly very true.  That is why KH might have to wait until these contracts are near their end?

No short term easy way out.  Start by removing KH/JB

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 01/26/18 at 02:35 PM ET

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Darren Helm
Contract: Three years remaining at $3.85 million cap hit.

I mean, I know that’s his contract, but it still doesn’t fail to take you aback when you see it in writing.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie, MI on 01/26/18 at 11:53 AM ET

I know. Just brutal.

Abdelkader, Helm, DeKeyser and Ericsson are completely untradable.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 01/26/18 at 02:36 PM ET

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Sincerely, Kenny
Posted by fatsavage on 01/26/18 at 12:15 PM ET

Schizophrenic?

[sorry, I couldn’t resist again]

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/26/18 at 02:36 PM ET

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That’s really depressing when you see that most of your team is untradeable. Realistically, only Green, Nyquist, and the goalies… possibly XO could be traded but that’s it.

Really though, few teams are going to trade for a player with a contract which extends past the year.  For instance if Abby was going to be an RFA or UFA after this season, he would be a target for many teams I think.

I think why Nyquist’s value is there is because he actually carries a veeerrry team friendly contract.  Especially when he performs.

Posted by TreKronor on 01/26/18 at 02:54 PM ET

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Abdelkader, Helm, DeKeyser and Ericsson are completely untradable.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 01/26/18 at 01:36 PM E

Today yes, near the end of their deals, all of them can be traded and yield return.

Next year, if Ericson matches this seasons performance, he’s very tradeable, especially with the wings eating a portion of cap space that to us doesn’t matter.

Ablekaters last two years are also palatable to floor teams, he’s paid $3mln cash with a $4.25mln cap hit, if the wings send some cash say $1mln, he’d be an attractive piece.

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 01/26/18 at 04:20 PM ET

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My perfect storm.

Zetterberg, Kronwall, Abdelkader and Helm agree to being traded to a proven Cup contender.  Pick up some salary and those players get a shot at the Cup, which they will not get in Detroit for a number of years.

Let the youngsters sink or swim, no crutch to lean on with veterans gone.

Time to start fresh.

Plus, Blashill has to go.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/26/18 at 04:25 PM ET

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Ablekaters

giggle. giggle. giggle.

My perfect storm.

Zetterberg, Kronwall, Abdelkader and Helm agree to being traded to a proven Cup contender.  Pick up some salary and those players get a shot at the Cup, which they will not get in Detroit for a number of years.
Let the youngsters sink or swim, no crutch to lean on with veterans gone.
Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/26/18 at 03:25 PM ET

I’d be on board for that.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/26/18 at 04:35 PM ET

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My perfect storm.

Zetterberg, Kronwall, Abdelkader and Helm agree to being traded to a proven Cup contender.  Pick up some salary and those players get a shot at the Cup, which they will not get in Detroit for a number of years.

Let the youngsters sink or swim, no crutch to lean on with veterans gone.

Time to start fresh.

Plus, Blashill has to go.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/26/18 at 03:25 PM ET

But then you might be in Edmonton hell

Posted by George0211 on 01/26/18 at 04:38 PM ET

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True Cup contenders don’t add pieces like Abby and Helm, with bloated contracts and a sickening term. Sorry. One of the reasons why they are Cup contenders is likely due to a competent GM. Wake me up when Helm and Abby are down to their final year. If they remain viable NHL players (I doubt it) then I might add them for the stretch run. But no contender is ever going to take on these guys for the next 4-6 years.

Posted by fatsavage on 01/26/18 at 05:07 PM ET

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Not that makes the Wings situation any more palatable, but I’m pretty sure a close review of most teams roster/contracts will find similar"bad” contracts.

The root cause for this mess, was ownership (not knocking the Ilitch’s) failure to not just rip the band-aid off, but to slowly pull it off to just squeak in the playoffs.

In the new world order everyone will feel pain at some point. We’re enjoying ours right now.

The penguins & Hawks are beginning to feel theirs and will continue to over the next 3-5 years. It eventually happens to all teams.

Posted by Down River Dan on 01/26/18 at 06:04 PM ET

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Zetterberg, Kronwall, Abdelkader and Helm agree to being traded to a proven Cup contender.

I don’t think Zetterberg and/or Kronwall would be agreeable to a trade (to a Cup contender) since they do have a Cup already, but you never know as strange things can and do happen. confused

Posted by bigfrog on 01/26/18 at 11:22 PM ET

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