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Blackhawks’ Joathan Toews irked by Red Wings’ physical play

The Detroit Red Wings elevated just about every aspect of their game during their 4-1 win over the Chicago Blackhawks on Saturday, but while Henrik Zetterberg told the Chicago Sun-Times' Mark Lazerus that his somewhat personal battle with Jonathan Toews (and more than a few Blackhawks who tried to take the heads off of Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk and Valtteri Filppula, among others) was just the way things go come playoff time...

“It’s part of playoffs,” said Zetterberg, who pointed out that the Hawks had control of who matched up against whom, not the Red Wings. “I think he plays better when it’s a little physical and I think I play better when it’s a little more physical. So there’s a lot of give and take.”

Toews complained loudly about the officiating, or the perceived lack thereof:

“I’m not going to go off and complain about some calls that I thought should have been called or whatever,” Toews said, before essentially doing just that. “If that’s the way they’re going to play, we need to play the same way. There’s a lot of clutch and grab, a lot of interference, and if [the refs] are going to let that go, that’s something we need to know and maybe do to them a little bit. It’s just tough to understand sometimes why we get roughing penalties and hooking penalties, whatever it is, [and] doesn’t go both ways. It is what it is. If that’s the way it’s going to be, we need to understand that and play more physical and be tougher on them. We’ll know that going into the next one.”

Toews said that doesn’t mean the Hawks will abandon their team game and their puck-possession style of play to run around taking unnecessary penalties, or retaliate after particularly physical episodes. Walking that fine line between physical and foolish will be key.

“It’s not out of frustration, it’s trying to frustrate their team,” he said. “That’s something we need to do a little more. They’re trying to do it to our top couple of lines, and we can do a little more of it. We’re letting them skate around with the puck a little too much.”

Hmm, as Corey Perry might say, they're "gonna get it" in Detroit?

In other words, the Hawks want to frustrate Pavel Datsyuk’s line with the same aggressive, suffocating defense. In other words, the Hawks want to fight fire with fire, and bring the same kind of intensity at both ends of the rink that they had in Game 1, and Detroit had in Game 2. In other words, the longest-running blood feud in NHL history has gotten serious again.

In other words, “Series on.”

Update: Wings coach Mike Babcock wasn't sure if it was possible to frustrate Toews, as he told ESPN Chicago's Scott Powers...

“I don’t know about frustrate,” Babcock said of his team’s impact on Toews. “That guy doesn’t get very frustrated. He just competes. I don’t concern myself with that. We try to give him no space. They got four elite, elite forwards. They got lots of depth, but they got four guys who are all world, and you can’t give them much room.”

And Hawks coach Joel Quenneville simply wasn't having any of it:

“I think we expect your top guys are going to get some coverage looks be it from the forwards or D,” Quenneville said. “All year long, they faced top coverage against them. Hopefully, they have to find a way to fight through it, and we got to be harder in the tougher areas, particularly at their net. We didn’t really look to shoot it. We seemed to be on the outside.”

Toews didn’t believe the Blackhawks would take themselves out of their own game if they started to play in the same physical fashion. He saw it more as a way to balance the game.

“It’s not out of frustration,” Toews said. “It’s trying to frustrate their team. That’s something we need to do a little bit more. They’re trying to do it to our top couple lines. We can do a little bit more of it. We’re kind of letting them skate around with the puck too much.”

Update: Via Powers, Toews on video: GRR! GRR!

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SYF's avatar

Not the thing I would want to hear from my captain; luckily, I’m a Wings fan and Zata is my team’s Captain.  That makes it all better.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 05/18/13 at 05:27 PM ET

Hootinani's avatar

And after 1 tough game, the facade crumbles, and the real whinny bitch comes through.  I knew there was no way he could be the captain of the Cawks and not be a douche.

Hopefully someone sits him down and shows him game footage of all the interference they got away with, especially behind Detroit’s net.

Posted by Hootinani on 05/18/13 at 05:36 PM ET

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Let’s leave the trash talk to the Hawks. It just shows a level of immaturity the Wings would never fall for.

Posted by NewfieWing on 05/18/13 at 05:50 PM ET

CaptNorris5's avatar

I very much enjoy that the soundbites out of the Hawks’ dressing room remind me of the 2009 WCF.

Gonna be a tough one, but it’s a series. Take it to em.

11 to 12. LGRW.

Posted by CaptNorris5 from The Winged Wheel, stuck in Chicago on 05/18/13 at 05:54 PM ET

Bugsy's avatar

I posted this on the last link, I should have posted this here instead. I realize some of you can get CBC, but watching the rebroadcast, at about 1:47 (2nd intermission), P.J. Stock commented over the Drew Miller slew foot of Toews, then the cross check/neck blow? of Z on Toews, and then showed Toews losing his cool, yelling on the bench. They basically said Toews needed to regroup and get his team back on track, and that Z was the much better captain today.
Watched the Toews death stare towards the Wings at the end of the game. Things fit together better now to me. Toews basically lost it. If there’s one thing you don’t expect out of the last 3 Red Wings captains, is for them to lose their cool.

Posted by Bugsy on 05/18/13 at 05:55 PM ET

SYF's avatar

From TSN:

“Both teams would be stupid if they thought they were going to come in here and either team win four straight,” Chicago’s Brent Seabrook said.

Heh.  He just said, “Fuch off to Dan McNeil.”

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 05/18/13 at 05:55 PM ET

SandysWingingit's avatar

I’ll bet Toews will regret those words after he reads or hears them tomorrow. As much as he denies it’s frustration talking, my guess is that’s exactly what it is.

Posted by SandysWingingit on 05/18/13 at 05:59 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

There’s a lot of clutch and grab, a lot of interference, and if [the refs] are going to let that go


Toews hockey idol growing up was Joe Sakic. That explains a lot.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 05/18/13 at 06:05 PM ET

George Malik's avatar

You mean this grazing?

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 05/18/13 at 06:08 PM ET

George Malik's avatar

Updated with video, and the video is AWESOME.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 05/18/13 at 06:13 PM ET

Bugsy's avatar

You mean this grazing?

When I watched the play about 5 times on CBC, I’m still not sure where Z hit him (back, neck, head—the photo looks like it might be from that play), certainly did get him with the 2nd cross check on the ice, and that’s probably when Toews lost it.  Z stepped it up today, that’s what CBC kept noting. Time for Toews to do the same if he expects Chicago to come back (and I hope for the Wings sake that he doesn’t).

Posted by Bugsy on 05/18/13 at 06:13 PM ET

Bugsy's avatar

Toews hockey idol growing up was Joe Sakic. That explains a lot.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 05/18/13 at 06:05 PM ET

For what it’s worth, Sakic’s “idol” was Stevey Y, so the #19 makes sense that they all wore them. I don’t feel the same about Sakic I guess, and we’ll see what Toews does over the next 3 days to see if he can live up to the #‘s “legacy”.

Posted by Bugsy on 05/18/13 at 06:17 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

“They kind of used our own style against us as far as holding onto the puck and keeping it away from us,” Kane said.

It’s OUR style Paddy. Chicago imitates the puck possession Detroit developed(Bowman) and became known for. I bet the Wings are good tippers too.

There can be only one.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 05/18/13 at 06:18 PM ET

SYF's avatar

When I watched the play about 5 times on CBC, I’m still not sure where Z hit him (back, neck, head—the photo looks like it might be from that play), certainly did get him with the 2nd cross check on the ice, and that’s probably when Toews lost it.  Z stepped it up today, that’s what CBC kept noting. Time for Toews to do the same if he expects Chicago to come back (and I hope for the Wings sake that he doesn’t).

Posted by Bugsy on 05/18/13 at 06:13 PM ET

Gonna expect that garbage from Keith (he’s not even a respectable defenseman anymore in my eyes), Bolland, Shaw, and Bickell in Game Three.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 05/18/13 at 06:18 PM ET

Hockeytown Wax's avatar

wow .. its only game 2 and chicago is whining & complaining already.

short series if they don’t get their poop in a group.

I know its waaaaaay too early to say anything but ...... I think Kindl finally gets it.
That facewash into the glass in Game 1 really woke him up.
I especially liked the way he moved east/west along the blueline looking for a shot path during that last power play.

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 05/18/13 at 06:24 PM ET

Bugsy's avatar

Gonna expect that garbage from Keith (he’s not even a respectable defenseman anymore in my eyes), Bolland, Shaw, and Bickell in Game Three.

I hope not, but I wouldn’t be surprised in the least. The Wings need to weather what I expect would be the Chicago storm in the frst period of Game 3 and keep their poise.

Posted by Bugsy on 05/18/13 at 06:26 PM ET

SYF's avatar

Chicago imitates the puck possession Detroit developed(Bowman) and became known for.

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 05/18/13 at 06:18 PM ET

And Bowman learned it from the Russian Five.  Remember that story about how The Professor asked Bowman to let the Russian Five play in scrimmage?  The Russian Five never gave up the puck and had everyone else chasing them all over the ice.  Bowman then employed that into the Wings’ puck possession game and has since become the Wings style of play.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 05/18/13 at 06:29 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

Remember that story about how The Professor asked Bowman to let the Russian Five play in scrimmage?

Yes I do. but forgot. Thanks for the reminder.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 05/18/13 at 06:32 PM ET

Primis's avatar

Toews just tipped his hand.  Don’t know about any one of the other Hawks, but Toews clearly thought they’d just roll right over the Wings with no resistance.  And he’s now irked that they won’t.

Says something that of all players, it’s him the Wings go to.

Posted by Primis on 05/18/13 at 06:52 PM ET

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And Bowman learned it from the Russian Five.  Remember that story about how The Professor asked Bowman to let the Russian Five play in scrimmage?  The Russian Five never gave up the puck and had everyone else chasing them all over the ice.  Bowman then employed that into the Wings’ puck possession game and has since become the Wings style of play.

Posted by SYF from the Flood on 05/18/13 at 06:29 PM ET

I bet it must have been something special(hilarious) seeing that happen for the first time.

I wonder what Toews has to say about his bestest first person I give the Stanley Cup to friend Hossa who flops and dives like he’s playing for Manchester United…or the Miami Heat? How many bullshit penalties has he drawn so far this series with huge flops? Toews should watch what he says.

Posted by scotts0 from New York on 05/18/13 at 06:53 PM ET

OnlyWings's avatar

Keep whining Hawks, it worked for Ducks, NOT!!!!

Kane is classier than Toews now, who would have thought that a couple of years ago?

Goaltending is Hawks weak spot, IMO

LGRW

Wonder what some of the Detroit media is going to say, looking at you Bob Duff and others??

Posted by OnlyWings on 05/18/13 at 06:53 PM ET

SandysWingingit's avatar

Wow. There’s some irony for ya… the Blackhawks (still) trying to emulate the Red Wings and claiming the puck possession style, and accusing the Red Wings of getting away with overly-physical play, when they have Carcillo, Bolland, Shaw, Keith, etc…

We’ve got Tootoo and he’s been a healthy scratch.

Posted by SandysWingingit on 05/18/13 at 06:54 PM ET

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“If that’s the way they’re going to play, we need to play the same way.”
—-That’s something else you never hear a Red Wings captain say.  The Red Wings play their game, no matter the score, no matter the hooking /holding by the opponent, no matter what the refs call or do not call.

I know it’s only one game but it’s very exciting to hear the Blackhawks crying, whining & blaming the refs instead of admitting they were outplayed.  If Quenneville is really any good, that will be the last time we hear any such comments.

If this is still a live story tomorrow then, gentlemen, we might actually win this series.

Posted by vfsvfl on 05/18/13 at 07:45 PM ET

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Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 05/18/13 at 07:50 PM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

And after 1 tough game, the facade crumbles, and the real whinny bitch comes through.  I knew there was no way he could be the captain of the Cawks and not be a douche.

You’re speaking the truth there, Hoot.

As for Toews and his whining about being man-handled, well, that’s what you get when you play against a real man, Jonny Boy. Suck it up. It’s the playoffs – not the playground.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 05/18/13 at 07:59 PM ET

Alan's avatar

That video almost sounds like he’s about to burst into tears. It’s priceless.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 05/18/13 at 08:22 PM ET

SYF's avatar

I bet it must have been something special(hilarious) seeing that happen for the first time.

Posted by scotts0 from New York on 05/18/13 at 06:53 PM ET

It was a real eye-opener for Bowman who, unlike most other NHL coaches *coughKeenancough*, actually evolves with the game.  Plus, I think it was Barry Smith who spent a little time overseas and instituted defensive systems that would play against every top line in the NHL.

The point being is that the Wings almost single-handedly brought new ways to play the game of hockey and made it better.  Unfortunately for Gary.Ass, it was waaay too good.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 05/18/13 at 08:34 PM ET

Wings_in_NYC's avatar

You’d think he would know better than to spew this stuff. Makes him look like a weak, petulant child. Stevie, Lids or Z never talk this kind of garbage. It looked like he was on the verge of tears. THIS is the guy that captain’s the Hawks? Good lord. Keep that pedal down and this series is more than winnable. Toews just gave the Wings a bunch of fodder.

Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 05/18/13 at 08:35 PM ET

PaulinMiamiBeach's avatar

I would love to sit and watch the first period with the Hawks, on DVR, so I can pause and rewind the 14,000 times they had their sticks in the midsection of Wings they were chasing.

they’re complaining about the WINGS getting away with stuff?  wow. 

self awareness is not a valued trait in the Chicago locker room, apparently.

nor is keeping your damn mouth shut and working things out in the locker room instead of to the media.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 05/18/13 at 09:47 PM ET

MsRedWingFan's avatar

you’ve got to be F*ing kidding me he is whining about the lack of calls? well if he wants it that way they’ll be in box more than the Red Wing’s “IF” the refs call fairly jebus holy cripes they got away with so much crap.  They could do whatever they want to Z and Pav and no calls made.  Go whine a little more you chicken hawk ... not much of a representative as captain ... you don’t see Z whining about the lack of calls do you?  NOR did you ever see Stevie Y or Lids whining.  how pathetic

Posted by MsRedWingFan from West Michigan hometown of Abdelkader on 05/18/13 at 10:05 PM ET

MsRedWingFan's avatar

well I feel better for ranting haha   cheese

Posted by MsRedWingFan from West Michigan hometown of Abdelkader on 05/18/13 at 10:14 PM ET

Slumpy's avatar

Toews would suck 25 years ago in the NHL playoffs with it’s physicality.

Go home and eat a wahburger and have your mommy tuck you into bed Toews you whinebox.

Note Windsor, Ontario raised Queenville doesn’t break into tears with Toews supporting him, lol. It’s coincidence a lot of the toughest players in the NHL came out of and still come out that area.

Posted by Slumpy from Detroit on 05/18/13 at 10:35 PM ET

John W.'s avatar

When you get beat 4-1 only mustering 20 shots, you don’t whine about the officiating.  Period.  Wings suffered the same fate in Game 1 and how many Wings did you hear blame the refs?  None, they blamed themselves and gave praise to Chicago for outworking and outskating them. 

You got your asses handed to you today, Toews, tip your cap, learn from it, and move on.  Actually, don’t, keep playing the victim and you can go golfing in a week.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 05/18/13 at 11:32 PM ET

bezukov's avatar

It’s hilarious that it took only one well played game for Detroit to get in their heads.  Keep it up Red Wings!

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 05/18/13 at 11:58 PM ET

RhymeTimeWingsDings's avatar

That video makes me farts sound like the laughter of school girls.  But no really the part about trying to ‘frustrate’ the wings is great.  Forget beating detroit we just wanna frustrate them.  Toes, Kane, or Hossa—> who would you like to see Kronwalled?

Posted by RhymeTimeWingsDings on 05/19/13 at 12:17 AM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

It’s hilarious that it took only one well played game for Detroit to get in their heads.

And suddenly Crawford must be having doubts about his own capability. Is he really as good as he thinks he is – or has it all been the result of his teammates protecting him? And if they couldn’t protect him in Game 2 on home ice, what’s it going to be like at The Joe?

Yeah, those thoughts are going to be in his head for the next two days.

And Jimmah? Well, he’s gonna sleep like a baby knowing that it not all on him for the rest of the series.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 05/19/13 at 12:32 AM ET

PaulinMiamiBeach's avatar

And Jimmah? Well, he’s gonna sleep like a baby knowing that it not all on him for the rest of the series.

it’s really too bad his game-stealing effort was wasted in game 1.  oh my, imagine if the Wings had a 2-0 lead going back to Detroit.  oh well, the split on the road is always what you hope for, and that’s what we’ve got.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 05/19/13 at 12:40 AM ET

John W.'s avatar

Is he really as good as he thinks he is – or has it all been the result of his teammates protecting him?

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 05/19/13 at 12:32 AM ET

That’s exactly what it is.  He gives up a ton of bad rebounds, but his D is usually right there to clean it up.  He fights the puck a lot, but Chicago is so good defensively they usually don’t give up a lot of shots, and the shots they do yield are typically from the outside.  If the Wings can continue to skate and work as hard as they did in Game 2 to break thru the D wall, they can win this thing.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 05/19/13 at 12:51 AM ET

Primis's avatar

And suddenly Crawford must be having doubts about his own capability. Is he really as good as he thinks he is – or has it all been the result of his teammates protecting him? And if they couldn’t protect him in Game 2 on home ice, what’s it going to be like at The Joe?

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 05/19/13 at 12:32 AM ET

I said it on A2Y in the game thread….. Crawford is Chris Osgood.  Rock-solid with support, but when things go off the rails he’s not gonna’ steal anything for you usually. 

There’s nothing WRONG with that.  You can win that way, but that means you need regular support for your goalie.  And I dunno’ if this Hawks team can do that.  In the meantime, Howard *is* that goalie that can just steal games himself.  We know what it’s like to face that, of course.  It’s infuriating, and it takes determination and leadership to conquer.

And if Detroit’s rediscovering puck possession, it’s going to make life very difficult for Crawford and his supporting cast because puck possession is your best defense.  That’s the system’s Achilles’ Heel, is to not let them have the puck and give them no gap defensively.

Posted by Primis on 05/19/13 at 01:30 AM ET

Figaro's avatar

Gonna expect that garbage from Keith (he’s not even a respectable defenseman anymore in my eyes), Bolland, Shaw, and Bickell in Game Three.

Let’s not forget Carcillo. I’m not sure he can complete a single shift without slashing or punching a guy.

Let them come.  Let them throw their elbows.  Keep our feet moving, keep our heads on straight and let them sit in the box all night long if that is they way they feel like they need to play.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 05/19/13 at 10:04 AM ET

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