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Sorry to be late with this, but George is sick and I have been trying to conserve some energy, anticipating a big day tomorrow when UFA Day starts...

from Ansar Khan of Mlive,

The Red Wings continue talking to Filppula's agent, but it doesn't appear as if he's lowered his asking price of 5-7 years at $5 million or more a season.

Tampa Bay and Columbus might have interest. Lightning general manager Steve Yzerman knows Filppula well from his days in Detroit. Blue Jackets GM Jarmo Kekalainen also has ties with Filppula, his fellow Finnish native.

If the Red Wings lose Filppula and are unable to land Weiss or Ribeiro, they might offer Cullen a short-term deal (two years). He is 36, but is a decent skater and playmaker and can play all forward positions. But, he has limited offensive ability.

The Red Wings have some interest in right wing Jarome Iginla, who brings many desirable qualities (offense, toughness, leadership), but also raises some concerns (he's 36 and has a lot of mileage). Detroit wasn't on his list of four teams he agreed to waive his no-trade clause to join when Calgary dealt him to Pittsburgh late in the season.

Detroit is not prepared to make huge offers to top free agents David Clarkson (New Jersey) or Nathan Horton (Boston). Clarkson could command a seven-year deal worth more than $5 million per season. Horton reportedly is seeking $6 million or more a season.

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from Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press,

Why aren’t the Wings getting any of the bigger names out there? Because they all want too much. Vincent Lecavalier wanted a five-year contract. There were almost a dozen teams interested in him, and all but the Philadelphia Flyers balked at giving a slow-paced 33-year-old that much term. The Wings would have given Lecavalier $4.5 million per if he’d taken a two-year deal. Boston’s Nathan Horton is hotly pursued, but he wants to play someplace warm. New Jersey’s David Clarkson is pushing for a seven-year deal in the $6 million per season range.

Have the Wings lost their appeal as a go-to destination? The Wings are willing to pay when the player is worth it — they just extended Datsyuk for $22.5 million and three years, for example. They didn’t lose out on Ryan Suter or Zach Parise because of money. They would have matched what the Wild gave each player last summer (13 years, $98 million). They lost out on those two because Parise is from Minneapolis and Suter is from Madison, Wisc., and his wife is from Bloomington, Minn. They both opted to play at or near what is home for them. Just like Danny DeKeyser did when he picked the Wings out of all the suitors he had in March. Can’t control geography.

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Ajax19's avatar

Please not, Ribeiro.  I hate that guy.

If Helm is healthy, we have no need for Cullen.

Posted by Ajax19 on 07/04/13 at 08:27 AM ET

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Have the Wings lost their appeal as a go-to destination? The Wings are willing to pay when the player is worth it — they just extended Datsyuk for $22.5 million and three years, for example. They didn’t lose out on Ryan Suter or Zach Parise because of money. They would have matched what the Wild gave each player last summer (13 years, $98 million). They lost out on those two because Parise is from Minneapolis and Suter is from Madison, Wisc., and his wife is from Bloomington, Minn. They both opted to play at or near what is home for them. Just like Danny DeKeyser did when he picked the Wings out of all the suitors he had in March. Can’t control geography.

So, yes.  Yes they have lost their appeal as a go-to destination.

Posted by Garth on 07/04/13 at 08:57 AM ET

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Boston’s Nathan Horton is hotly pursued, but he wants to play someplace warm.

Well he just met with Columbus so…

If the Red Wings lose Filppula and are unable to land Weiss or Ribeiro, they might offer Cullen a short-term deal (two years). He is 36, but is a decent skater and playmaker and can play all forward positions. But, he has limited offensive ability.

Christ. We have no need for Matt Cullen REGARDLESS of whether or not Helm is healthy. What do we have now, like 10 bottom 6 guys under contract? Yeah sign Cullen on the cheap. That would fill a need.

The Red Wings continue talking to Filppula’s agent, but it doesn’t appear as if he’s lowered his asking price of 5-7 years at $5 million or more a season.

Then WHY is Detroit still talking with his agent? Every report for the past month has clearly stated how much more Filppula wants than he’s actually worth. If Detroit won’t pay up for the good players available then they won’t pay up for an underachieving softie.

Posted by godblender on 07/04/13 at 09:09 AM ET

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Have the Wings lost their appeal as a go-to destination? The Wings are willing to pay when the player is worth it — they just extended Datsyuk for $22.5 million and three years, for example.

What BS. We’re talking about adding a free agent from the open market to fill a pressing need that exists with the roster AS IS. Re-upping your best player, who wasn’t going to sign with any other NHL team, isn’t even relevant to the question St. James herself poses.

They would have matched what the Wild gave each player last summer (13 years, $98 million).

Actually they offered Parise considerably less than what Minnesota gave him, which I figured was common knowledge.

 

Posted by godblender on 07/04/13 at 09:21 AM ET

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Embarrassing PR by st James.  Just embarrassing, she doesn’t cover ken holland she worships him.  I’m not a huge fan of guys like Valenti on sports talk radio but at least he’s not scared to go against the company line.  St James is an embarrassment.  Yes, the Wings are no longer a top destination for teams, players are not fond to play there anymore, and if Holland does not want to pay market prices than he has to trade which he won’t do.  Our genius GM is stuck in the per cap mindset that everyone wants to play here, he’s wrong and that’s why he’s failed every offseason, and every trade deadline.  He can’t deal in the new cab where teams have parity and the Wings no longer have the aura of the Elite team where players want to play.  Time to get a GM who gets it and move holland into Devellanos job.

Posted by bababooey on 07/04/13 at 09:35 AM ET

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Embarrassing PR by st James.  Just embarrassing, she doesn’t cover ken holland she worships him.


Agree!  This year for some reason she has gotten even harder to read.

Still waiting for a Top 4 D and/or Top 6 Big w/Hands??

Sure looks like Wings head to camp with some of the same as last year.  Still can’t believe Wings offered Cleary 2 years at 3M and he is holding for 3 years.

Happy Independence Day to all US of A Wings Fans and July 5th might be interesting.

 

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 07/04/13 at 09:47 AM ET

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Remember everyone:  As bad as St. James is getting, she’s still better than Drew Sharpe.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/04/13 at 09:51 AM ET

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I’ll say it again: if the Wings are going to offer 5 years at 5 million per, Filppula is their best option at this point.

There is no one else left on the market better than him, as frustrating as he is.

There is zero, ZERO reason to throw Filppula money at Weiss.

Give Filppula his $5 million and punt. The train has already left the station.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/04/13 at 10:15 AM ET

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Give Filppula his $5 million and punt.

Or accept Zetterberg as the #2, try and groom Helm or Andersson (or one of the other 47 centres they have in the organization) to play that spot, don’t offer Filppula OR Weiss 5x5 and concentrat on getting the damn scoring winger they desperately need.

It boggles my mind that everyone is saying the Wings will be without a #2 centre because of Filppula leaving.  He is NOT a #2 centre and NEVER will be, no matter how much money or how much term they give him.

Zetterberg is a better centre than anyone on the market.  Put him as the #2 and you can still put him with Datsyuk on the power play or when you’re in dire straits.

Posted by Garth on 07/04/13 at 10:23 AM ET

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They could even play Franzen there, I thought he played much better last season when he was a center.  And if they are worried about missing out on Flip’s defensive skills, Helm should replace them no problem so long as he recovers fully.

Posted by SolidTG7 on 07/04/13 at 10:38 AM ET

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We offered parise 20m less than Minn did.. so yeah, it was about money.  Now, i dont thinkk hes worth it but dont pkay like it was always home or nothing because they took a long as time if there was never a chance..

Eh, i dont care who we sign.  KH knows all, can do no wrong.  Im sure we wont be sprinting for the playoffs again.  Oh thats right, all teams make the playoffs the last week of the season. At least any GM who likes his team

Actually. As shitty job as he did last season with signing players, i hope he doesnt do a damn thing.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/04/13 at 10:45 AM ET

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Yes Solid!  Franzen found his Muleness once he was moved to Center and put on the PK.  He has to work harder in those roles and it translated to better play down the stretch.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/04/13 at 10:47 AM ET

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Lmao isnt it sad we’re at “put franzen in there so he actually plays the game instead of float”  buut we have no needs.  Our teams good right?  4th line center to top line winger. Move our goal scorer to center because hes lazy.. YESSS!!! Im *#$%@& pumped for some hockey!

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/04/13 at 10:52 AM ET

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Posted by SolidTG7 on 07/04/13 at 10:38 AM ET

Absolutely, Mule could definitely play in the #2 spot.

Posted by Garth on 07/04/13 at 10:54 AM ET

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4th line center to top line winger. Move our goal scorer to center because hes lazy.. YESSS!!! Im *#$%@& pumped for some hockey!

Your bitterness is noted, but it isn’t as though Abdelkader being moved up was a flop. It worked.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 07/04/13 at 11:39 AM ET

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They could even play Franzen there, I thought he played much better last season when he was a center.

I agree 100%. But I think the problem may be that Franzen doesn’t like playing there (probably because he can’t float in that slot). He played well there for a few games and then was moved back to the wing, so something caused Babs to make that change.

Our teams good right?  4th line center to top line winger. Move our goal scorer to center because hes lazy.. YESSS!!! Im *#$%@& pumped for some hockey!

Somebody’s having a bad day.  smile

Relax, HTO. Have a few “pops” and take a nap if necessary. Save all of that angst for this weekend when we’ll be sitting here and watching Tick Tock either do nothing or overpay for an underachiever.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 07/04/13 at 12:20 PM ET

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Quoting godbender:  ”  Boston’s Nathan Horton is hotly pursued, but he wants to play someplace warm.

Well he just met with Columbus so…”

Columbus is warm - hockey hell and all that! ;o)

Doc

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 07/04/13 at 12:40 PM ET

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Weiss will be the least loved FA signing of all time around here…then he’ll score 23 goals and make us all look like jerkwads. smile

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/04/13 at 12:47 PM ET

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