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There may be hope on the Pavel Datsyuk front

As Paul noted, the CBC's Elliotte Friedman posited his weekly "30 Thoughts" column this afternoon, and one of his "thoughts" should put Red Wings fans at some ease:

Pavel Datsyuk's agent, Gary Greenstin, was in Toronto visiting client Mikhail Grabovski. We talked about rumours Datsyuk will play the last year of his contract next season, then go back to Russia. Greenstin said he'd just been in Detroit and talked with Ken Holland. He wouldn't go too deeply into those conservations, but it did sound like they discussed the possibility of an extension. (Datsyuk cannot sign anything until July 5.) He added that if Datsyuk stays, it will be with the Red Wings. "Playing with one team is very important to him."

Continued, of course, at length, and as usual, his thoughts are worth your time...

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gowings's avatar

oh please…please..pretty please!!!!

Posted by gowings from MTL on 04/16/13 at 01:03 PM ET

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right? maybe I won’t have to move to Russia after all!

and the fact is, while the KHL is a good league, even a 50 year old Pavel Datsyuk would be able to dance and dangle all day long over there. He can play on the Wings till he’s in his 40’s and still go play in Russia for another 5 years if he chooses. He’s in incredible shape, hasn’t taken too much of a beating, and still has the best all around hockey skills on the planet.

In all honesty, while the idea of him leaving is terrifying, the only reason that rumor started is because he said he “enjoyed” his time playing there and perhaps he’d do it again someday. everyone kind of jumped to conclusions from a couple very vague statements. he’s actually made much more conclusive statements about how much he loves the Wings and Detroit. So there’s been hope all along.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 04/16/13 at 01:10 PM ET

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Like Lidstrom, it’ll all depend on when he wants to go back home to his family. How about a 4 year deal @ $5.5M average Pavel? Please?

Posted by AZWinger on 04/16/13 at 01:13 PM ET

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The part that’s like Lidstrom is that he can (and absolutely will) use the possibility of playing in his home country to squeeze some extra money out of Detroit.

There’s nothing ‘wrong’ with that behavior, of course, it’s just important to keep it in mind when people start waxing poetic about how great a leader/person either were, as they inevitably do.

Lidstrom never did and Datsyuk never will leave a dime out there on the table.  It’s something to remember.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/16/13 at 01:43 PM ET

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It would certainly be great for the team for Datsyuk to stay on another few years, and I think a few more years to up his point totals could make a difference when he’s considered for the HHOF after he retires.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 04/16/13 at 01:54 PM ET

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The part that’s like Lidstrom is that he can (and absolutely will) use the possibility of playing in his home country to squeeze some extra money out of Detroit.

There’s nothing ‘wrong’ with that behavior, of course, it’s just important to keep it in mind when people start waxing poetic about how great a leader/person either were, as they inevitably do.

Lidstrom never did and Datsyuk never will leave a dime out there on the table.  It’s something to remember.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/16/13 at 02:43 PM ET

Lidstrom absolutely left money on the table to play with Red Wings. Another team would’ve certainly paid him more than $6.2 million a year for his last two years in the league if he had so chosen to leave.

And another team would most certainly pay Datsyuk more than the Wings will offer him if he chooses to stay, too.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/16/13 at 02:02 PM ET

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Hold up, I thought someone that knew some guy that was roommates with a dude that plays hockey with some guy that once saw a Red Wings game—in person, mind you—that Datsyuk was being driven out of Detroit by the organization!

Posted by Garth on 04/16/13 at 02:11 PM ET

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Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/16/13 at 03:02 PM ET

i’m with you completely. Lids (and Dats and Z too for that matter) would have been paid significantly more on the open market. It’s why there was the implicit rule on the Wings that nobody gets paid more than Lids, because he did in fact take a hometown discount.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 04/16/13 at 02:22 PM ET

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Datsyuk needs points to get into the HHoF???

LOL

Seriously???

Posted by Zqto on 04/16/13 at 02:41 PM ET

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it’s all Brunners fault.  see all those man hugs he’s been given Dats?

keep working, Brun

Posted by klank from the finest hot tub in Marin on 04/16/13 at 02:48 PM ET

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Posted by Zqto on 04/16/13 at 03:41 PM ET

I think he’s a Hall of Fame player and he think his Selke’s will definatly help, but I do worry that his lack of offensive awards and the fact that his total career numbers (if he retires after his current contract ends, he’ll have retired with less then 1,000 pts) might look unimpressive to the naked eye when compared to some his lesser contemporaries who played more seasons.  I think if he hits 1,000 pts, he’s in.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 04/16/13 at 03:18 PM ET

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Lidstrom could probably have gotten paid more on the open market but he sure as hell did not give the Wings a discount in the final 2 years (at least not like Stevie Y).  Lidstrom is the 2nd best dman of all time (following Orr) but he was not a $6.2M dman those last few years.

I would hope the Wings plan to keep Datsyuk at all costs with $8M the most they pay him.  A 4 year deal would be okay too.

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 04/16/13 at 04:05 PM ET

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the only reason that rumor started is because he said he “enjoyed” his time playing there and perhaps he’d do it again someday.

Nope. More to it than that.

Hold up, I thought someone that knew some guy that was roommates with a dude that plays hockey with some guy that once saw a Red Wings game—in person, mind you—that Datsyuk was being driven out of Detroit by the organization!

And nope.  Not what I said.  I suspected that Datsyuk didn’t enjoy playing with Abdelkader, but the source was—and remains—solid.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 04/16/13 at 04:36 PM ET

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Wait…good news, as a Red Wings fans this year…WTF???

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 04/16/13 at 04:48 PM ET

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I suspected that Datsyuk didn’t enjoy playing with Abdelkader, but the source was—and remains—solid.

Of course he doesn’t enjoy playing with Abdelkader.  I’m sure Harry Houdini would’ve hated doing a children’s birthday party.  People listened to Datsyuk’s quote and pretended it was a good thing, while completely ignoring what everyone knows: that the guy who moves the piano and the guy who plays the piano are never on the stage at the same time.

But that doesn’t mean he’s seriously thinking about taking his ball and go home…

Posted by Garth on 04/16/13 at 05:18 PM ET

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But that doesn’t mean he’s seriously thinking about taking his ball and go home…

I know Garth. That, independently, is not the reason he’s leaving after next year.  But Mike Babcock sticking him on that line for twenty games and essentially hamstringing him couldn’t have helped our cause.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 04/16/13 at 05:24 PM ET

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Lidstrom is the 2nd best dman of all time (following Orr) but he was not a $6.2M dman those last few years.

Lidstrom 6.2 mil
Bouwmeester 6.6mil
Campbell 7.1 mil
Timonen 6.3
Phaneuf 6.5 mil

You don’t think Lids was as good as these mooks in his last 2 years?

Posted by Hootinani on 04/16/13 at 05:29 PM ET

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Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 04/16/13 at 06:24 PM ET

I agree with you.  I hate the way they *#$%@& up that line as much as anyone does.

I, however, choose to believe that if the source of this rumour is actually Datsyuk, then it is being spread with the intention of lighting a fire under the asses of management.  He saw the way they played it as if Lidstrom would be around forever and let the team slip, and he doesn’t want to go out that way.  I can see him hinting that he might go back home if they don’t stock up and make a real concerted effort to win while he’s in Detroit, and if they do I can absolutely see him sticking around.

Yeah, he’s said he wants to play in Russia, in front of Russian fans and with friends, but he can do that at 40 as well as he can at 36.  And he also knows damn well that getting another Stanley Cup is much more prestigious than possibly winning a Whatever-the-hell-the-KHL-gives-out Cup.  Ah, it’s called the Gagarin Cup.  Anyhow, he knows that the Stanley Cup is a lot more prestigious than the soon-to-be five year old Gagarin Cup.

Posted by Garth on 04/16/13 at 06:20 PM ET

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but he was not a $6.2M dman those last few years.

Um, excuse me.  He won the Norris in 2011.  The only other active Norris winners are Erik Karlsson, whose cap hit after one Norris is $6.5, Zdeno Chara, whose cap hit is $6.9 after one Norris and Duncan Keith, whose cap hit is $5.5M after one Norris.  You’ll notice that two of three have higher cap hits and have won the trophy six fewer times than Lidstrom while the other only has a lower cap hit because he’s on a 13-year front-loaded contract.

To say that he wasn’t a $6.2M player in his final years is downright ridiculous.  In his last years he wasn’t the highest paid player on his team or the highest paid defenseman in the league and he could’ve damn well demanded to be both of those things.

Posted by Garth on 04/16/13 at 06:26 PM ET

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I’m still wondering if we’re underplaying the family angle in all of this, and his daughter back in Russia.

Posted by Bugsy on 04/16/13 at 07:35 PM ET

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Chill Garth, good point.  I should not have said he was not worth $6.2.  Lidstrom owes the Wings nothing but I wish he would have taken a discount ($4M or $5M salary) like The Captain did.

Posted by Hootinani on 04/16/13 at 06:29 PM ET
However, your argument has little merit.  Half the guys you listed were awful deals and anybody can hand out stupid contracts.  After all Leino makes $4.5M.

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 04/16/13 at 08:34 PM ET

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The guy is worth the price of admission so $65 million per year - whatever it takes.

Posted by BC on 04/16/13 at 08:48 PM ET

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Didn’t expect you to go back on your story or source, Chief—I know you’re down to bedrock in terms of reliability there—but I hope that maybe all that transpired when you posted it got the message across.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/16/13 at 09:20 PM ET

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