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The Red Wings’ pitches: Khan says Wings will have to wait till Monday for Parise, Suter’s decisions

Updated 6x with Nash scuttlebutt at 4:17 PM: From MLive’s Ansar Khan, the Red Wings are pitching their deals to Zach Parise and Ryan Suter:

The Detroit Red Wings have submitted an offer to the agent for forward Zach Parise and hope to hear back tonight or Monday on whether they are in the mix. The Red Wings, with a contingent that included owner Mike Ilitch, general manager Ken Holland and coach Mike Babcock, originally planned on flying to Toronto this afternoon to meet with Parise and his agents at the offices of Newport Management in Mississauga, Ontario, at 3:30.

But Parise’s agent, Don Meehan, called them and said he has canceled all meetings because more than 20 clubs have asked to see him and he can’t possibly accommodate everybody. Meehan told teams to submit their best offer by phone, and the Red Wings have submitted a big one. Parise will consider all the offers.

It will take a huge up-front singing bonus to land Parise or Suter. TSN and Sportsnet analysts have estimated it could take bonus money of $12 million per season for the first two years of the deal, to procure Parise.

The Red Wings have calls in to the agent for defenseman Ryan Suter, and are prepared to make him an offer as well.

Ilitch and Red Wings advisor Chris Chelios originally planned on flying to Madison, Wis., today to meet with Suter at his farm. But Suter’s agent, Neil Sheehy, said on Saturday that Suter did not wish to meet with teams face-to-face and that all business would be conducted with him on the phone. The Red Wings still hope to meet with Suter on Monday. That remains to be seen.

Update: From the AP’s Larry Lage:

“We’re going to get in the mix with [Parise] and see what we can do,’’ Babcock told The Associated Press in a telephone interview minutes after teams could begin talks with free agents. “We’re going to do everything we can.’

Update #2: From Helene St. James:

DET GM Ken Holland tells FP Red Wings have made offers to both Ryan Suter and Zach Parise.
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Told DET coach Mike Babcock on his way home from Toronto. Told he didn’t meet with anyone.


Update #3: From the Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness:

And know the Wings wait.

Detroit has submitted an offer to Zach Parise’s agent, Don Meehan, and hope to hear back later tonight of Monday on whether they’re in the running to sign him.

The Wings originally were going to meet with Parise and his agent in person on Sunday, the first day of free agency, but because just about every club in the NHL wanted to meet with the top-prized unrestricted free agent forward Meehan canceled all meetings and told teams to submit offers by phone.

It’s believed that Parise is looking for $12 million per season in bonus money for the first two years of the deal.

The Wings have also reportedly made an offer to the defenseman Ryan Suter, the top-prized unrestricted free agent on the blue line.


Update #3.5: We must now name Ted Kulfan Captain Obvious:

You can bet those offers the Wings have made to Parise/Suter are rather large…fascinating to see if they’ll be enough.


Update #3.5: From St. James, in print:

General manager Ken Holland told the Free Press the Wings have made offers to coveted unrestricted free agents Ryan Suter and Zach Parise.


Update #4: Via Sarah Lindenau, here’s what Sportsnet columnist and former agent Brian Lawton offered...

Early word is nothing expected on Suter or Parise until Tuesday earliest! Long weekend just got a lot longer for some! Bonus ask-12 million
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Former Badger Chris Chelios very instrumental in the recruiting pitch for Ryan Suter.

 

Update #5: From the Raleigh News & Observer’s Chip Alexander...

Rutherford says Canes may receive answer on Parise today. Said decision on Suter probably would take longer.
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The “answer” on Parise may be whether Canes are on the “short list.” Final decision by Parise’s camp could come tomorrow, he said.

And ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun:

From Suter’s agent Neil Sheehy, “I am fielding many calls and methodically returning each one-by-one. It is going to take some time.”

 


Update #6: TSN’s Darren Dreger offered this...

Carolina and Detroit are in a strong competition with New York Rangers for Rick Nash. Nothing imminent. Canes said to be pushing hard.

But the Wings’ press corps pushed right back, stating with Khan...

Wings have had discussions about CBJ about Nash, but they feel asking price is too much and still not sure they would trade him to DET.

Continuing with Kulfan...

Wings have always liked Nash, how could u not, but the the asking price of young prospects (Smith,Nyquist) isn’t Wings style to give up.

And Pleiness...

As rumors circulate that Columbus may be willing to trade Rick Nash to the Detroit Red Wings it seems highly unlikely.

First, the asking price is going to be way to high.

Second, I don’t think the Blue Jackets want to deal him to a team in their division. That wouldn’t sit well with their fan base I’m assuming.

As did Nick Cotsonika:

For Red Wings to land Nash, what would they have to give up to get Blue Jackets to trade him to a division rival?
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Heard long time ago DET was on Nash’s list. Just can’t see Jackets allowing him to burn them for years unless they got mega return.

And then the New York Post’s Larry Brooks weighed in:

Told that Red Wing offer for Nash is not competitive…Carolina, Ottawa, Philly not on 61’s list.

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we are fuched… i don’t like this report at all

Posted by Adam from Detroit on 07/01/12 at 02:57 PM ET

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I’m not too optimistic on landing Parise but I think DET has a good shot at Suter.  Of course I base this on nothing but conjecture.

Posted by Bosephus from Behind enemy lines, Denver, CO on 07/01/12 at 03:00 PM ET

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Thats funny, TSN said that Holland and Babcock were at the agent offices and were the first to give their pitch to Parise’s agent.

Posted by Hootinani on 07/01/12 at 03:02 PM ET

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Well, at least Kenny and the boys can work on their tans this afternoon,....

I’d be curious if they start approaching the backup plans now (and say here’s a prelim offer if we don’t get Parise/Suter) or wait for the big 2’s answers first, considering 20 teams are in the mix, at least, it sounds like.

Posted by Bugsy on 07/01/12 at 03:04 PM ET

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It appears that Parise and Suter can command any amount of money they want.
Amazing!

Posted by w2j2 on 07/01/12 at 03:04 PM ET

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Forget it. I am watching TSN and I agree with Gino Reda. Parise knows where he wants to go the rest is just a “formality” like Richard’s deal last year. We are out, and the damn birds are in. We should concentrate on the B plan…C plan

Posted by gowings from MTL on 07/01/12 at 03:10 PM ET

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No matter how many teams are in the mix for Parise, I would be very surprised to see him go any where besides Minnesota, Detroit or Pittsburgh.  I think it will probably be Pittsburgh.

Regardless, all teams are in the same boat for these guys.  Make your best offer and they’ll make a decision.  I think Holland made it very clear that they’ll be “aggressive” with these guys.  Which means they’ll be right there with every other offer made.  It ultimately comes down to where these guys want to play.

Posted by Neznarf on 07/01/12 at 03:11 PM ET

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Speculation aside, I wonder how long you wait for Parise before going to “Plan B” in the form of Alex Semin.  He’s been a bit of a problem child in the past, sure, but Detroit has specialized in reclamation projects like Cleary, Samuelson, etc.  Semin obviously a lot more upside than either of those guys.

I agree the primary need is on the blue line, and Suter would obviously be ideal.  That said, I have always had a hard time seeing him leave Nashville to sign w Preds’ major Central Division rival.  Especially right after they knocked us out in five games.  Suter worth waiting for more than Parise, IMO, and Semin > Parise in terms of size, at least, and bigger need on defense than O. 

In the meantime…

Stressssssssssssssss.

Posted by Denver Wings on 07/01/12 at 03:14 PM ET

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Actually, with the news that there isn’t much to do, it’s less stressful. I could tell someone from the older generation, “Bill, why so tense? Here, have some Sanka….”

Posted by Bugsy on 07/01/12 at 03:16 PM ET

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Speculation aside, I wonder how long you wait for Parise before going to “Plan B” in the form of Alex Semin.  He’s been a bit of a problem child in the past, sure, but Detroit has specialized in reclamation projects like Cleary, Samuelson, etc.  Semin obviously a lot more upside than either of those guys.

Unfortunately, you can’t compare Semin with those reclamation projects.  Cleary, Samuelson, etc were not headaches, pains in the ass, issues in the locker room, and issues for coaches.  The Red Wings have the ability to rejuvenate a career, but to change some ones personality all together?  That’s a lot of baggage that this team may not need.

Posted by Neznarf on 07/01/12 at 03:20 PM ET

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Cleary, Samuelson, etc were not headaches, pains in the ass, issues in the locker room, and issues for coaches.  The Red Wings have the ability to rejuvenate a career, but to change some ones personality all together?  That’s a lot of baggage that this team may not need.

Agreed on Sammy, but I thought the bag on Clearly was pretty similar to Semin before he came to Detroit.  Maybe having Datsyuk’s example would have a positive influence on Semin.  Pav’s probably a much better role model than Ovechkin…

Posted by Denver Wings on 07/01/12 at 03:27 PM ET

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Maybe having Datsyuk’s example would have a positive influence on Semin.  Pav’s probably a much better role model than Ovechkin…

Posted by Denver Wings on 07/01/12 at 02:27 PM ET

Definitely. Datsuyk is that kind of person/player. That is why I wouldn’t freak out if the Wings signed Semin.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/01/12 at 03:48 PM ET

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It appears that Parise and Suter can command any amount of money they want.
Amazing!

Posted by w2j2 on 07/01/12 at 02:04 PM ET

Money changes everything.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/01/12 at 03:52 PM ET

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Former Badger Chris Chelios very instrumental in the recruiting pitch for Ryan Suter.Wondering if Mike Eaves did a favor for the Wings as well.

Either way I like the way that sounds.

Posted by Neznarf on 07/01/12 at 03:57 PM ET

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I honestly don’t even care about Parise right now. He’d be great, but if we get him and NOT Suter, I’m very concerned. I don’t think even with Parise we’d be nearly as good as we were last year. If we ONLY get Suter, I will consider this a success. The lack of a #1 dman is a monstrous hole for a Cup contending team. If it’s not filled we are in trouble no matter who else we sign.

I think Suter/Semin/+a bit of grit would make this a wildly successful summer. Suter AND Parise would be AMAZING, but I really don’t think Parise can possibly be the top priority.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/01/12 at 04:02 PM ET

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  I think Suter/Semin/+a bit of grit would make this a wildly successful summer.

Suter AND Parise would be AMAZING, but I really don’t think Parise can possibly be the top priority.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/01/12 at 03:02 PM ET

I have to agree. As much as I would like a player like Parise, to me, Suter is the priority.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/01/12 at 04:16 PM ET

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still trying to find how much the damien signing is ?

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/01/12 at 04:25 PM ET

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Parise is still, to me, the prettiest girl on a campus of 1000 students. If the school had 3000, he’d be attractive, but not the big dog. He’s gonna get overpaid. As much as I’d like to see him on the wings, I don’t want the wings hamstrung to a ridiculous contract in three years. Suter is THE main target. Has to be.

Basically what i feel is, get Parise and no Suter and the Wings are still significantly worse than last year. Get Suter and they are as good with a shot to improve more next summer.

Semin scares the he’ll out of me. If Holland overlays for Semin…God help us cuz the reign is over.

Really would have liked to see a scorer like Boyes for only a million.

Posted by ElCapitan on 07/01/12 at 04:38 PM ET

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with Parise asking $80M/10 years with $12 x2 in bonus, couldn’t we sign Semin AND Doan for 2 -3 years each?  Then be free to chase future FAs since there is not 10-year lock-up?

Posted by vfsvfl on 07/01/12 at 04:40 PM ET

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The Wings can never, ever, ever afford to wait until next yer and assume that player X will be available next July.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/01/12 at 04:49 PM ET

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If Parise wants that much, sorry. Pass. Try to get Bobby Ryan, Suter, Semin (on a two or three year deal MAX), and try next year. Gives Holland another year to realize his third line guys are ONLY third line guys, too. Might make him wake up.

Posted by ElCapitan on 07/01/12 at 04:51 PM ET

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$8M / year is well within the anticipated range for Parise.  If the Wings don’t go for that I don’t know how serious we can take them.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/01/12 at 04:51 PM ET

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- seriously -

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/01/12 at 04:52 PM ET

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yeah, except we did exactly that last year in specifically saving this money for Suter

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/01/12 at 04:53 PM ET

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that was response to George

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/01/12 at 04:54 PM ET

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Wings can afford $8 for Parise AND $8 for Suter and still have $5 for Abdelkader and Q, if they’re also adding them.  If they don’t someone else will, and any team that adds both gets significantly better than just adding one.  Detroit can be that team, and should be if that’s all it’s going to take.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/01/12 at 04:56 PM ET

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a GM only has so much power to bring in players - he can throw the biggest package at them, frontload the most money, sell the program and at the end of the day if the guy wants to be with Crosby, that’s what he’s going to do.

so is that a “failure” on the GM’s part? Of course in one sense it is since he’s trying to get something he needs and he’s failing at it. But in another sense, the worst GM’s are the guys who MISmanage rosters. The fact that we even have this cap room with no real bad contracts on our team (I know, I know… Ericsson’s is questionable at least) I think this is a sign of a really well managed team. Whether the players take the money thrown at them or not is on them. The vast majority of the GM’s job has actually been done. He created the space and he made what I assume is a highly competitive offer.

I don’t know… I just know if we “strike out” on these big UFA’s, people are going to be calling for Holland’s head, but unless it comes out he did something stupid or didn’t make a good enough offer or something, to me, it’s hard to really blame him. It’s because of him we are in this position in the first place. The players have all sorts of criteria they weigh that are totally out of Holland’s hands.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/01/12 at 05:00 PM ET

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Waiting on Brunner news, don’t believe Darren Dreger’s Nash comment—as Khan says, the Wings don’t have what Columbus is looking for in half a team:

Wings have had discussions about CBJ about Nash, but they feel asking price is too much and still not sure they would trade him to DET.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/01/12 at 05:08 PM ET

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I still think Nash, considered only on the merits as a player, would be a great fit for the Wings.  But given the finances and price necessary to get him, then no.

That is why $8M for Parise, even more, is not expensive.  It costs us no players we value and no draft picks.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/01/12 at 05:14 PM ET

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Wings’ press did an awesome job of debunking Dreger, as did Larry Brooks and Cotsonika.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/01/12 at 05:19 PM ET

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I don’t like Nash.  I wouldn’t want to take him even if it were a cheap deal. I saw him in an interview a few years ago where they asked him about hockey at home and he said “I get enough hockey at the rink, I don’t want to think about that at home.”  That was before Columbus ever made the playoffs too.  Ever since then I always felt he doesn’t have all that much dedication and heart which are the two personality traits I personally feel the wings need most.

Posted by Alex E. on 07/01/12 at 05:29 PM ET

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Nick Lidstrom said the same thing and somehow overcame it to make occasional contributions to the Red Wings.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/01/12 at 05:30 PM ET

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This is a good pick up, and one of the Plan Bs out the window.
Knew he’d get a substantial pay raise from his $1.5.

Parenteau gets four years from Avs
7/1/12 4:23 p.m.
PA Parenteau, who had 18 goals and 49 assists while playing alongside John Tavares with the Islanders last season, agreed to a four-year, $16 million contract with the Colorado Avalanche.

He joins a club with Matt Duchene, who went third overall in the 2009 draft after Tavares went first overall. Parenteau had 20 goals and 33 assists two seasons ago and passed on offers from the Islanders to stay with New York.

—Dave Lozo

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/01/12 at 05:35 PM ET

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The Wings are gambling on Parise and Suter for now, and they have to do that. If Semin signs somewhere, I’ll be worried, but Parteneau had one good year as mostly a passer.

It is what it is. If the Wings’ options disappear they will make a trade to add a goal-scorer—just not for Nash.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/01/12 at 05:40 PM ET

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Nick Lidstrom said the same thing and somehow overcame it to make occasional contributions to the Red Wings.

Posted by RWBill from hiding indoors from Virginia heat. on 07/01/12 at 04:30 PM ET

Nick Lidstrom DID play in the playoffs for 20 straight years.  He also wasn’t a lacrosse player who tried hockey just because something suggested he should and happened to be good at it.  And most importantly, Nick Lidstrom never committed to being the leader of a team for a decade, only to change his mind a couple years later and demand to leave.

Usually when the Wings pick up a player who’s attitude and career they want to turn around is after they’ve had a humbling experience but there is not an ounce of humility in what Nash has done.d

Posted by Alex E. on 07/01/12 at 05:40 PM ET

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Parteneau had one good year as mostly a passer.
Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/01/12 at 04:40 PM ET

$4M is still steep for him, but that is the FA world we live in.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/01/12 at 05:49 PM ET

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Adrian Aucoin To Columbus

The rich just get richer.

Posted by WestWing from Portland, Oregon on 07/01/12 at 06:08 PM ET

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I don’t like Nash.

Posted by Alex E. on 07/01/12 at 04:29 PM ET

Me either. Never been a fan.

there is not an ounce of humility in what Nash has done.d

Posted by Alex E. on 07/01/12 at 04:40 PM ET

He is really good at getting coaches axed. Other than that, he’s done nothing.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/01/12 at 06:11 PM ET

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