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The clock’s ticking on Ericsson, Eaves and Miller’s tenures as Red Wings

Updated 4x with a very belated Lidstrom interview at 2:48 PM: According to MLive’s Ansar Khan, while the Red Wings await Jaromir Jagr’s decision as to whether he’d prefer to play for Detroit or Pittsburgh, the team’s having a harder-than-anticipated (at least by fans) time of attempting to re-sign Jonathan Ericsson and especially Patrick Eaves and Drew Miller because the latter pair of players want to be more than fourth-liners, and that’s not going to happen in Detroit:

“Part of it is money, part of it is opportunity,” Holland said. “They think they can have a bigger role with other teams.”

The Red Wings have 16 players (11 forwards, four defensemen, one goaltender) signed for a salary-cap hit of $47.6 million (the cap is $63.4 million). That doesn’t include rookie forward Cory Emmerton, who is out of minor league options and must make the roster or risk being claimed off waivers. It also doesn’t include defensemen Brendan Smith and Doug Janik.

Smith will have every opportunity to make the team in training camp and the preseason but still can be sent back to the Grand Rapids Griffins without waivers. Janik is on a one-way contract, and the club would like to keep him on the NHL roster as a depth player. If he is sent back to Grand Rapids and clears waivers, he’ll remain there all season because he’s subject to re-entry waivers, meaning if he were claimed on re-entry the Red Wings would be responsible for half of his salary and the cap hit.

“If we don’t sign anybody (their own free agents), we’re in great shape, cap-wise,” Holland said. “The biggest issue is the 23-man roster. I’m comfortable either way, getting some of our guys signed or having (more) cap space (to explore the market).”

In terms of the negotiating bottom line…

“Lots of talk, but nothing’s happened,” Holland said. “The deadline is noon Friday (when free agency starts). There’s lots of time to continue to talk.”

Khan provides an update on Mike Babcock’s attempt to fill out his shoulders with two assistant coaches as well:

“I’m leaving it in his hands to bring some people to me that he feels comfortable with,” Holland said. “He’s interviewed lots of people—met a few people at the draft (this past weekend). There’s so many good people. I think Mike is struggling with giving younger people an opportunity or going with veteran people, someone who’s done the job before.”

Update: Hell no, Brooks Laich was and is not worth $4.5 million per season;

• Per ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun:

So what now for Christian Ehrhoff? With Kevin Bieksa returning to the Canucks’ fold, agreeing Monday to a $23 million, five-year deal, contract talks continue between Vancouver and the Ehrhoff camp. The German defender can become an unrestricted free agent Friday.

A source told ESPN.com there has been an offer and counteroffer between the Canucks and veteran agent Rick Curran.

The general ballpark for Ehrhoff is somewhere between Bieksa’s new deal and the one signed by Dan Hamhuis last July 1 (six years, $4.5 million per season). But don’t look for Ehrhoff to take less than either player.

Does it get done before Friday? It might. Then again, the Detroit Red Wings are sitting there with money to spend and a need for a top-four defenseman ...

• I actually agree with the Chief—if Cam Barker’s available, he’d be a good pick-up;

• In charitable news, per the Port Huron Times-Herald and the Free Press:

Thirty-two teams teed off Monday in the 12th annual Shawn Burr Foundation Celebrity Charity Golf Classic at St .Clair River Country Club.

The event raised money for the foundation, which benefits local charities. The amount of money raised is not yet known.

Each team was paired with a celebrity, many of them former hockey players.

There were some current players in attendance, however, as Detroit Red Wings forward Todd Bertuzzi played with one of the groups. Port Huron native and 2010 Dallas Stars draft pick Jack Campbell was also one of the celebrities in the outing.

Among the others were former Red Wings Burr, Dino Ciccarelli, Dave Lewis (coach), Dennis Hextall and John Ogrodnick. Other former NHLers included Craig Wolanin and Pat Peake.

Former members of Port Huron’s professional teams in attendance were Jon Hillebrandt, Bobby McKillop, Kraig Nienhuis and Jon Finstrom.

Frank Beckman, the play-by-play man for Michigan football games and radio host on WJR, also was on hand.

The outing was preceded by a luncheon, which featured a speech by Mitch Albom.

Update #2: Via NHL Gossip on Twitter, Vancouver’s AM 1130 reports that Ehrhoff and the Canucks are talking, and per the Sporting News, well…This is crazy talk, but I’d love to see the Wings trade for Semyon Varlamov;

• Of note from the CBC’s Elliotte Friedman’s “30 Thoughts”:

4) A couple of things to remember as free agency begins. First, teams can go over the max by 10 per cent (that’s $6.43 million during the offseason). Second, all bonuses count immediately against the cap next season (whether they are reached or not), and that’s how some lower-spending teams will hit the floor.

So that means any bonuses the Wings would pay to Jagr would count against the cap…

11) Half the league is convinced the Flyers are going after Brad Richards - hard. (I’m still wondering about Detroit making a run at him, especially since Valtteri Filppula appears available in a trade.)

Um, no…

19)  Mike Babcock told The Hockey News’ Ken Campbell that the Sharks getting Burns was “a gold medal pick. I’m pissed off.” The biggest concern about Burns? His concussion history. That scared a couple of teams. But not the Sharks, who are really going for it in 2011-12. Curious to see who the Sharks go after to plug the vacancy left by moving Devin Setoguchi.
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23) Message received: The Detroit Red Wings want to be a bigger team.

• As an FYI, if you glanced at Pro Hockey Talk’s James O’Brien’s list of players receiving qualifying offers, the Wings are going to hold on to Jordan Pearce, Logan Pyett and Francis Pare, but they have not tendered qualifying offers to Jamie Tardif or Sergei Kolosov;

If you’re interested in where the Griffins’ alums have scooted to, the Griffins’ website provides an Alumni Tracker;

• If you’re interested in more realignment talk, the National Post’s Matthew Scianitti, via RedWingsFeed on Twitter, posted a possible redrawing of divisional lines;

• And the Detroit News’s Ursula Watson reported on Sunday that Chris Chelios, Eddie Vedder and John Cusack engaged in a late-night batting practice at Comerica Park on early Sunday morning, and the News posted a photo gallery from the event.

Update #3: Nice call from the Hockey News’s Darryl Dobbs, handicapping Tomas Jurco’s “upside”:

Tomas Jurco, Detroit

The Detroit organization takes its time with prospects, but it’s done right. Jurco is less of a risk now, but more of a wait. His upside will fall somewhere between two other prospects who are on the cusp: Jan Mursak and Tomas Tatar.

Update #4: If’in you’re interested…WJR is terrible about updating its Mitch Albom show page with interviews, so here’s a very belated interview with Nicklas Lidstrom from last Wednesday:


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Update: Per the Sporting News’s Craig Custance and RedWingsFeed:

Still no deal with Red Wings and Jonathan Ericsson but told the two sides are still talking.

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I’m comfortable either way

Really?  You’re so adamant about not overpaying, so you’re playing hardball with two of the most consistent players on your team.  You don’t want to overpay them, so you’re going to let them go and plug in a couple of scrubs in mid-August because you’re too f*cking cheap to try and keep them?

Miller I can understand because Mursak’s got a roster spot and you want to give Emmerton a chance to make the squad, so you can’t guarantee ice time to Drew, but how do you let Eaves go?  He was an absolute bargain last year, making half of what Draper made.  Holland should be falling over himself to get Eaves signed, even if he get’s his salary doubled.  This is NOT a guy you just allow to leave…

Posted by Garth on 06/28/11 at 02:28 PM ET

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You don’t want to overpay them, so you’re going to let them go and plug in a couple of scrubs in mid-August because you’re too f*cking cheap to try and keep them?
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Absolutely correct.
These guys are veterans now.
Expecting them to sign for entry level wages is treating them as damaged goods.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 06/28/11 at 02:39 PM ET

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To Garth:

I don’t want to see Eaves go either, but maybe it is not about money but about the minutes played. If he wants more minutes, the coach/GM might not be able to guarantee it.

I also like Miller, but sitting for what..15 games…sucks..he is reliable, but then again, probably not about money (I can’t believe I am saying this seeing that a lot of players are getting serious paychecks when they don’t necessarily deserve it). I cannot imagine Holland being that careless. He probably offered good money.

On another topic….is there any chance that Fil and Hud. get traded?

Posted by Meg on 06/28/11 at 02:45 PM ET

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Really?  You’re so adamant about not overpaying, so you’re playing hardball with two of the most consistent players on your team.

Sounded to me like money wasn’t the only sticking point - there’s the whole playing time thing too.  They might well be at a point where they’re tired of playing in a rotation (Miller more so than Eaves, who seems to have earned “regular” status).

Posted by dumbasrocks on 06/28/11 at 02:48 PM ET

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I don’t know if it is the money, it could be more the playing time.  They might be expecting more minutes and Babcock doesn’t want to be pressured into promising minutes to anyone, other than maybe his top six.  Eaves & Miller ought to take a look at the boys from the Grind Line, they all carved out nice careers here, not being top dogs, but being part of a whole lot of success.  Maybe speak to Bill Gadsby, he had one heck of a career, but he would have given up money & playing time for winning at least one Cup.

Posted by howie young from up north on 06/28/11 at 02:50 PM ET

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Eaves has that coveted right hand shot and did rather well on Z’s wing in the doldrums of mid-winter. No, he doesn’t belong on the second line (yet), but I’m with Garth, you do NOT lose Eaves. Miller was great, reliable, etc etc, but I believe Mursak can do all that Miller can with more speed.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 06/28/11 at 02:55 PM ET

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Money solves a lot of problems though.  Like I said, they can’t guarantee games or minutes per game to Miller but you can absolutely guarantee it to Eaves.  He missed 19 games this season, 13 of which (at least) were due to injury.  He wasn’t a regular scratch, he was an integral piece.

Eaves played his way onto the team, there is no question about that.

Anyone else remember how many games we were pissed off with the Wings because the fourth line should not be a team’s best, most consistent line?  You want to keep that.  You do everything you can to keep him.  You give him a nice raise and you give him term.  You make him happy.  You buy him a pony if that’s what he wants.

You do what you have to do to get him to sign on the line which is dotted.

What you don’t do is be cavalier about it and say to the press “hey, if he signs he signs, if he doesn’t we’re ok with that.”

Because with the way he’s played for us these past couple years he’s not going to be a guy who tests the market and comes back on July 5th or 10th to see if the deal is on the table, he’s the guy that a team can sign and legitimately rub in our faces, unlike Kopecky or Lebda.  If he signs with someone else, it hurts the Wings.

Draper?  Osgood?  Ericsson?  Even Miller?  Those guys not coming back won’t hurt the Wings or bite them in the ass.  Eaves walking absolutely does that. 

Absolutely.

Posted by Garth on 06/28/11 at 03:01 PM ET

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Have we seen anything about what kinds of contracts were offered to Eaves/Miller? I don’t recall seeing any specifics. And if Eaves and Miller want increased rolls, as the Kahn article indicates, there isn’t much that can be done. The wings have better players for the 2nd line, and Eaves in particular gets frequent time on what is truly the 3rd line with Helm.

I’m a huge fan of Eaves (and to a lesser extent MIller), but there are things we don’t know and things we simply can’t provide. Can’t necessarily pin this on some failure by KH.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 06/28/11 at 03:01 PM ET

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Eaves & Miller ought to take a look at the boys from the Grind Line

In their last year together, Maltby made $800+k and Draper $1.5M.

Last year, neither Miller nor Eaves made as much as even Maltby.

Miller, more than 10 years younger than Maltby, is not worth less than Maltby, and Eaves, objectively, is absolutely worth as much as Draper made last year, if not more.

Look at the Grind Line?  Well, I guess they deserve raises then.

Posted by Garth on 06/28/11 at 03:06 PM ET

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I agree that Eaves is the one we should keep, let Miller remember he was picked of waivers. Big E, do not over pay this guy.  I think he has developed as far as he is going to and doesn’t use his body for a 5/6 D. What would cost to over pay Eaves, peanuts compared to others.  Now Cam Barker is on waivers.  By the time July 1 arrives the toilet will be flushed and not even crap left.  This “Do nothing stance” is getting worrisome. Babs can’t even decide on Assts, Duh!

Posted by WingsRiders on 06/28/11 at 03:12 PM ET

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Can’t necessarily pin this on some failure by KH.

Absolutely it can.

According to Holland “Part of it is money, part of it is opportunity”.

If you solve one of them, it eases the pain on the other.

If you solve the money part of the equation and tell him he’ll be given opportunities, that at least shows that you’re trying.

Any logical person can understand that you can’t guarantee a bigger role, but you can guarantee relative financial security, which at least shows that you’re appreciated.

Then, if the guy walks, you can at least say you tried and you negotiated in good faith.

Posted by Garth on 06/28/11 at 03:13 PM ET

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Holland should be falling over himself to get Eaves signed, even if he get’s his salary doubled.

I am a big Patrick Eaves fan.  I like the guy.  I think he’s a good player and a good fit with the Wings.  But double his salary?  He made $1.7 million last year.  You really think that Wings should pay Patrick Eaves $3.4 million year?  The guy hasn’t scored more than 14 goals in his last 6 NHL seasons.  Sure, he does more than just score, but that much more?

Posted by Ajax19 on 06/28/11 at 03:17 PM ET

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He made $1.7 million last year.

Excuse me?  Detroit paid him $750K last year.

Posted by Garth on 06/28/11 at 03:21 PM ET

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Oops. That’s right.  Looked at some bad data.

I think I’d pay Patrick Eaves $1.5 million.  I guess.  Sure.

Posted by Ajax19 on 06/28/11 at 03:24 PM ET

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I love Eaves too, but he’s 27 and, aside from maybe the occasional offensive spike here and there, there’s no real reason to believe he’ll ever produce consistently more than a 10-15 goal, 20-25 point season with good defensive play.

That’s nothing to sneeze at, especially for a player who works as hard as Eaves does and doesn’t hurt you with mistakes. But I guess I can’t really evaluate Holland’s position until I know what, exactly, Eaves is asking for (in terms of both money and playing time).

A third-line forward with defensive skills and (probably at best) 30-point potential? Market value, I’d say that’s about $1.5 million - $1.75 million per on a two- or three-year deal—give or take. The Red Wings can definitely afford that price, but again, guaranteeing playing time is something you just can’t do, period, especially with a roster as deep as Detroit’s.

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 06/28/11 at 03:24 PM ET

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I agree with all the comments about Eaves.  We simply cannot let him go.  If it’s about minutes, get the hell rid of Hudler.  i’d put Eaves in his spot in a heartbeat.  And if Draper doesn’t return, wouldn’t Miller have regular duty on the 4th line?

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 06/28/11 at 03:25 PM ET

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Um, no…

I don’t think they’ll get Richards either, but I’m interested in hearing more from you on this one, George.

Maybe I’m in the minority here, but as a fan, if Brad Richards would come here for four years and $24 million, I’d find a smaller market team in need of a two-way forward and send Filppula there without so much as a second thought.

This team is still good in the here and now, and needs to win a Cup in the next two years. And Brad Richards would be disgustingly good on this team.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 06/28/11 at 03:45 PM ET

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Sounds like typical negotiations if you ask me.  My guess is they will sign Eaves but Miller will probably walk as playing time will be an issue.  Miller is easily replaceable at probably half of what he might be asking for.  You also have to watch what you pay Eaves as Helm is a FA after next season.  You overpay Eaves you are gonna have to fork out even more on Helm!

Posted by wingnut888 on 06/28/11 at 03:50 PM ET

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What you don’t do is be cavalier about it and say to the press “hey, if he signs he signs, if he doesn’t we’re ok with that.”

But Garth, we could replace him with Jagr. No brainer really.

Posted by dumbasrocks on 06/28/11 at 03:55 PM ET

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Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 06/28/11 at 02:45 PM ET

I’m with you, totally (though I’d rather Hudler be the one shipped out instead of Fil). Though I also agree that it has a slim chance of occurring.

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 06/28/11 at 03:59 PM ET

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Posted by wingnut888 on 06/28/11 at 02:50 PM ET

It did occur to me that the current positions of Eaves, Miller and Holland could just be negotiating posturing.  Hope so.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 06/28/11 at 04:00 PM ET

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Sounds like typical negotiations if you ask me.

absolutely. holland is trying to save a penny here or there, and if his comments in the media soften their positions even a bit, he’s doing his job.

eaves might also want term, which i definitely would at age 27. 3 years at something like $1.3M is a lot of money to a guy who’s had trouble sticking in the league until recently. i just wonder if that’s come up at all, because if i was either of eaves or miller, i would not want to be having to make a team every september.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 06/28/11 at 04:01 PM ET

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Oops. That’s right.  Looked at some bad data.

I think I’d pay Patrick Eaves $1.5 million.  I guess.  Sure.

Posted by Ajax19 on 06/28/11 at 02:24 PM ET

I think the season before…he might’ve made that much due to the Bruins having to pay some of his salary due to the buy-out.

But Garth, we could replace him with Jagr. No brainer really.

Posted by dumbasrocks on 06/28/11 at 02:55 PM ET

Replace Eaves with Jagr? Your username fits this statement. Sorry to be blunt. When is Jagr going to kill penalties? When is Jagr going to have the wheels to attempt keep up with Helmer or forecheck? When does offense win playoff series instead of defense?

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 06/28/11 at 04:02 PM ET

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jagr and eaves are not comparable. moving right along…

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 06/28/11 at 04:07 PM ET

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oooh.

top post on KK right now:

“TSN’s McKenzie: Ehrhoff likely to test the market”

what number will he wear?

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 06/28/11 at 04:08 PM ET

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He made $1.7 million last year.

Excuse me?  Detroit paid him $750K last year.

Regardless of what Detroit paid him (thanks BOS), he did earn $1.7m last year - so it stands that $1.7 is a safe min salary that he’d resign for.  What’s the most you pay him though, with guys like Bert and Homer producing more and neither making over $2m? I’m not saying its easy to valuate Eaves with what he brings to the PK, but how much do you honestly pay him? 

Here’s the cap-info if you take the rumor of Ericsson @ just north of $2m and using $1.7m as the absolute min for Eaves:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.700m)
/ Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
/ Jonathan Ericsson ($2.250m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)

(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $52,042,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (19-man roster): $12,257,956

With a top-4 defenseman still to sign (take your pick on how much that would cost…I’ll say $4-5m), a back-up goalie and needing to keep enough payroll flexibility to give Kronwall a raise, I just don’t know how much sense it makes to give him whatever he wants.  If you give Eaves $2.5-$3m…I think that sets up a bad wage structure for younger guys with arguably higher ceilings.

I like Eaves a lot, but I’m ok with Holland trying to get the best deal he can.

Posted by dumbasrocks on 06/28/11 at 04:18 PM ET

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Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 06/28/11 at 03:02 PM ET

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 06/28/11 at 03:07 PM ET

Eaves/Jagr swap is joke.

Laugh now?

Posted by dumbasrocks on 06/28/11 at 04:22 PM ET

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But Garth, we could replace him with Jagr. No brainer really.

You’re posing that question as if they play roles at all similar to one another. 

Nobody’s replacing Eaves with Jagr.  Jagr would be a top-six forward and Eaves is a grinder who kills penalties and chips in points here and there.

But to answer your question simply: No.  I wouldn’t.  Eaves is a role player who could be wearing the jersey for a decade, being an excellent fourth-liner who chips in some points ehre and there.  Jagr would be a one-off signing and a luxury.  Last year the Wings were either 2nd or 3rd in goals for.  Jagr is not something we need, and if we do get a top-six forward I would prefer it to be someone younger and a little harder than Jagr, who has had motivation problems even back when he wasn’t an old man.

So if there was some sort of circumstance where it was keeping Eaves in the fold, keeping him happy and possibly making him a long-term member of the team or signing Jagr for one year I would absolutely, without hesitation, pick Eaves.

Posted by Garth on 06/28/11 at 04:28 PM ET

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After checking out his profile on Capgeek, you’re right. BOS did pay him the last two seasons.

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=530

So he was making $1.4 million….

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 06/28/11 at 04:31 PM ET

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I think the season before…he might’ve made that much due to the Bruins having to pay some of his salary due to the buy-out.

Capgeek says his buyout payment was $258K last year. I’m not clear if that’s what the player is paid or if that is only the resulting cap hit for the team buying out. Regardless, is Eaves worth $2M+ that he could possibly get on the market? I’m torn, but I think not quite.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 06/28/11 at 04:35 PM ET

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You’re posing that question as if they play roles at all similar to one another.

Again, joke. I guess I’ll have to start doing the “/sarcasm” from now on. Didn’t think anyone could possibly take that at face value.

So if there was some sort of circumstance where it was keeping Eaves in the fold, keeping him happy and possibly making him a long-term member of the team or signing Jagr for one year I would absolutely, without hesitation, pick Eaves.

I don’t want Jagr on this team, unless he’s replacing Hudler.  As far as Eaves, I love what he brings, I just don’t want the Wings setting up a bad wage-structure to keep him here.  He’s been a steal for us because we’ve only been paying part of his salary.  If keeping him means giving him a great deal more than his present take-home, then I think you have to say no.  Paying Eaves in the $2.5-3m range doesn’t seem like good value.

Posted by dumbasrocks on 06/28/11 at 04:39 PM ET

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Regardless of what Detroit paid him (thanks BOS), he did earn $1.7m last year - so it stands that $1.7 is a safe min salary that he’d resign for.

According to capgeek, Boston paid him $258K last year and will pay him $258K this coming year and next year, so your $1.7M is way off.

And since he’s still being paid from the buyout, that should have no impact on what he wants this year.

Last year, Detroit paid him $750K, so if they double what they offer him, that’s $1.5M (and please, PLEASE try to convince me that he’s not worth as much as Draper’s cap hit was this year), PLUS Boston’s buyout money on top of that, for a total of 1.758M, which is a pretty significant raise.

Why is that outrageous?

Posted by Garth on 06/28/11 at 04:41 PM ET

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Where in the hell did the $1.4 million cap hit come from then?

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 06/28/11 at 04:44 PM ET

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Fluffy, are you reading his old bought out contract?

I still haven’t seen any mention of what KH may have offered him cash or term. Maybe the Wings did offer him $2M.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 06/28/11 at 04:47 PM ET

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I like Miller, but I would rather use his 23 man roster slot on someone that brings some muscle.  Let’s be honest, Miller did not exactly light it up.  So if the only facet of his game that we would lose by seeing Miller walk away is penalty killing, oh well.  I don’t know if a player like Asham is the answer for that spot of the roster, but bring someone big that can fight a little bit.

Posted by 11B4PF7 in MN on 06/28/11 at 04:48 PM ET

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Again, joke.

My bad, I didn’t read beyond your initial post before responding.

I just don’t want the Wings setting up a bad wage-structure to keep him here.
Paying Eaves in the $2.5-3m range doesn’t seem like good value.

I hope nobody was suggesting he get a 4x raise.  That’s ridiculous.

I just think that they established their structure for guys like him with the likes of Maltby and Draper, and with so many people talking over the last couple of years about guys like Eaves, Miller and Helm being the new version of Draper and Maltby, I don’t have a problem offering Eaves at least as much as Draper made.

And it saddens me that anyone could consider paying an integral roleplayer 2.3% of the team’s cap to be setting up a bad wage structure.

It’s not like Detroit is hurting for cap space.  With Helm, Abdelkader, Kindl, Mursak, Smith and Emmerton you’ve got potentially six players making less than a million and two who are basically at league minimum, three if Janik makes the team.  Paying ONE of your fourth liners over a million dollars isn’t a bad precedent.  In fact, it’s not a precedent at all, considering what Draper made for playing less than 50 games last year.

Posted by Garth on 06/28/11 at 04:51 PM ET

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According to capgeek, Boston paid him $258K last year and will pay him $258K this coming year and next year, so your $1.7M is way off.

Well, I could be reading things wrong, but here’s what I’m basing $1.7 off of:
http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=530

The above lists his NHL salary @ $1.7m. The below seems to show DET paying only $750k

http://www.capgeek.com/archive/team.php?team_id=15&year_id=2010

I’m not sure why the buyout doesn’t cover the difference between those numbers.

And since he’s still being paid from the buyout, that should have no impact on what he wants this year.

Why wouldn’t keeping your current standard of living be important?

(and please, PLEASE try to convince me that he’s not worth as much as Draper’s cap hit was this year)

I’m not arguing that Draper is a good deal, I’m trying to argue for not having Eaves’ contract being used as the benchmark for 3rd-line defensive specialists - but that comes from thinking that $1.7m is the floor from which his future salary can only be raised from. Signing Eaves for $1.75m would be a great piece of business…but my feeling is that if his camp has asked for that amount, he’d already be signed.

Posted by dumbasrocks on 06/28/11 at 04:52 PM ET

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So he was making $1.4 million….

Look right under his name.

BIRTHDATE: May 01, 1984 AGE: 27 2010-11 CAP HIT: $750,000

That’s what Detroit paid him.

$1.4 was what his contract was with Carolina/Boston, the one that was bought out.

His contracts with Detroit were:

2009-10 $500,000 $500,000 $0 — $500,000
2010-11 $750,000 $750,000 $0 $0 $750,000

And his buyout payments from Boston were/are:

SEASON COST       CAP HIT
2009-10   $258,333 $258,333
2010-11   $258,333 -$41,667
2011-12   $258,333 $258,333
2012-13   $258,333 $258,333

Posted by Garth on 06/28/11 at 04:55 PM ET

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Why wouldn’t keeping your current standard of living be important?

He’s still getting paid that for the next two years.  The buyout money is irrelevent to the conversation.

but my feeling is that if his camp has asked for that amount, he’d already be signed.

That’s where we disagree.  He seems like a reasonable guy and I can’t see him turning down a more than 0 raise.

Posted by Garth on 06/28/11 at 04:58 PM ET

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That’s where we disagree.  He seems like a reasonable guy and I can’t see him turning down a more than 0 raise.

Well, if in the end it turns out that Holland wouldn’t offer $1.7m and we lose Eaves, then I will join you in proclaiming this a fairly large fail.

Posted by dumbasrocks on 06/28/11 at 05:02 PM ET

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