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The Talk After Game One

from Brian Savage of Mlive,

 FoxSportsDetroit.com: Johan Franzen and Valtteri Filppula must play better for the Red Wings to have a chance against Chicago, writes Art Regner. "If Franzen and Filppula can't raise their level of play, the Wings have little chance against the talent-laden Blackhawks. Detroit must play (Pavel) Datsyuk and (Henrik) Zetterberg on separate lines as much as possible....

Oakland Press: There was no silver lining in the one-sided Game 1 loss, writes Pat Caputo. "The Chicago Blackhawks are that good. The Red Wings have glaring flaws. The Red Wings have glaring flaws....

Chicago Sun Times: Chicago fans, who chanted "Detroit sucks" at every opportunity in Game 1, are going to find themselves missing the Red Wings when they move to the Eastern Conference next season, writes Rick Morrissey....

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PaulinMiamiBeach's avatar

Detroit must play (Pavel) Datsyuk and (Henrik) Zetterberg on separate lines as much as possible….

yeah, why do what got us into the playoffs and past the first round?  it always makes sense to stop doing what made you successful.

:facepalm:

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 05/16/13 at 12:21 PM ET

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Chicago Sun Times: Chicago fans, who chanted “Detroit sucks” at every opportunity in Game 1, are going to find themselves missing the Red Wings when they move to the Eastern Conference next season, writes Rick Morrissey….

Maybe our fans should start a “Chicago has nice restaurants” chant.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 05/16/13 at 12:35 PM ET

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This makes perfect sense to try to neutralize their top two lines.  Come see, come saw (what does that actually mean?).  As linemates you make a stronger one line for 20:00 of the game while giving an advantage to Chicago on another line for the same amount of time.

Play them separately and you have a strong two way player on the ice for 40:00 of the game, i.e., what put them over the top against the #2 seed.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 05/16/13 at 12:39 PM ET

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Come see, come saw (what does that actually mean?).

“Comme si comme ca” basically means “so-so”.

Posted by Garth on 05/16/13 at 12:44 PM ET

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“Ma ma se, ma ma sa, ma ma coo sa” basically means “You Wanna be Startin’ Somethin’”.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 05/16/13 at 12:48 PM ET

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yeah, why do what got us into the playoffs and past the first round?  it always makes sense to stop doing what made you successful.

:facepalm:

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 05/16/13 at 01:21 PM ET

Yah missed Game 7 against the Ducks, eh?

Posted by SK77 on 05/16/13 at 12:49 PM ET

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Johan Franzen and Valtteri Filppula must play better

I thought they were both healthy scratches? Didn’t notice either of them on the ice. big surprise

Posted by AZWinger on 05/16/13 at 12:52 PM ET

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“Comme si comme ca” basically means “so-so”.
Posted by Garth on 05/16/13 at 01:44 PM ET

“Like this, like that” in literal translation.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 05/16/13 at 01:09 PM ET

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no, I didn’t miss game 7 against the Ducks.  that was a one-off switchup by Babcock to throw off Boudreau’s matchups.  that doesn’t mean it’ll work against Chicago, and either way it isn’t what got the Wings into the playoffs or through the first round.

This makes perfect sense to try to neutralize their top two lines.  Come see, come saw (what does that actually mean?).  As linemates you make a stronger one line for 20:00 of the game while giving an advantage to Chicago on another line for the same amount of time.

it also neutralizes or top two lines, and then Chicago’s superior depth kicks in for the rest of the lines, especially the 4th line.

Play them separately and you have a strong two way player on the ice for 40:00 of the game, i.e., what put them over the top against the #2 seed.

what put us over the top against Anaheim (and got us into the playoffs) was having Dats and Z playing TOGETHER.  do you think Zetterberg racks up points in the final four games, and the first round…NOT playing with Datsyuk?

Babbles always says “you need your best players to be your best players.”  well, neither Pavel nor Hank can be our best players if they’re playing with guys like Filpulla and Cleary.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 05/16/13 at 01:20 PM ET

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Chicago fans, who chanted “Detroit sucks” at every opportunity in Game 1

Awwww, little brother’s fans are just envious of what we have had in Detroit for over 20 years.  Maybe when/if they become a great organization they’ll get some class.

Posted by calquake on 05/16/13 at 01:32 PM ET

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well, neither Pavel nor Hank can be our best players if they’re playing with guys like Filpulla and Cleary.

Therein lies the real problem.  One good line isn’t enough to beat these Hawks, whether they play together (Saad-Toews-Hossa will neutralize them anyway) or apart (Sharp-Handzus-Kane are good defensively too). 

Probably better to be apart to keep the score at least respectable and within striking distance on the road.  Then at home you will probably see them together a little more often.  Either way, it doesn’t look good b/c of the talent difference in the two clubs that you mention.

Posted by jkm2011 on 05/16/13 at 01:56 PM ET

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yeah, why do what got us into the playoffs and past the first round?  it always makes sense to stop doing what made you successful.

:facepalm:

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 05/16/13 at 01:21 PM ET

It may have worked in the past, but we weren’t playing the Hawks.  Last night when Pav and Z were part, the game was 1-1 thru 2.  They were put together in the 3rd and we got schooled.  You have to adapt to your opponent, and having Pav and Z on the same line makes the rest of the lines much too weak defensively.  They need to play apart most of the time, and only be put together in certain situations.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 05/16/13 at 02:04 PM ET

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They were put together in the 3rd and we got schooled.

correlation does not mean causation.  it is likely they got schooled simply because, as one of the players said…Chicago got their legs under them after a long layoff, and the Wings are tired.

another way to look at it was that through 2 periods of Pav and Z not playing together, the Wings only mustered ONE GOAL.  considering their offensive contributions in the first round, while playing together…it would have been nice to have them on the scoreboard by the third period.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 05/16/13 at 02:09 PM ET

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I’m with Paul on this one. Saying they should be apart just to “keep it close” is a defeatest mindset. You can’t go into a professional sporting event hoping to not lose. You have to go in it to win. By keeping them together there’s a little hope of them creating some offense, which is desperately needed.

Posted by peiz11 from Minneapolis on 05/16/13 at 02:28 PM ET

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Therein lies the real problem.

What does the whiny bitch coach of Montreal have to do with that shitfest we saw last night?

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 05/16/13 at 02:31 PM ET

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The Talk After Game One

Not to stray, but Jimmy was fantabulous last night. Deserving of it’s own paragraph.

How does the result affect his play moving forward? Is there even another gear above the one he was playing at last night? Was the 3rd period enough to knock him off stride and get in his head? Can he play like that for up to 6 more games? I’m scared that our very, very best player thus far will experience demoralization, or at best….. continued lack of assistance.

Jimmy….. We Love You! LGRW!

Posted by TKShreve from East Uptown on 05/16/13 at 02:49 PM ET

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and personally I think that our top line of Pavel, Hank, and Home Keys is better than Chicago’s top line.  if they’re playing up to their abilities, a line of Bertuzzi, Franzen, and Filpulla (PLEASE have Franzen as center) should be at least as good as Chicago’s second line.

we should have no problem matching up with them, and our 3rd line is probably much better than their 3rd line…it’s our 4th line that really gets us hosed.  it’s just a mishmash of whoever is left over.  is there another line of kids from GR we could put on the 4th line, that have at least played together and have some chemistry?  sheesh.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 05/16/13 at 03:05 PM ET

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Hawk’s got in the Wings heads after our initial push.  Started making stupid mental miscues, shitty passes, no support.  Hawk’s just got in their heads, these two teams aren’t that far apart, it’s just execution.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 05/16/13 at 03:15 PM ET

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is there another line of kids from GR we could put on the 4th line, that have at least played together and have some chemistry?  sheesh.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 05/16/13 at 04:05 PM ET

Not while GR is contending for a Calder Cup.

Seriously, the Griffs are legit contenders to take it all this year, so long as DET doesn’t pull up Tatar or someone else key.  And I don’t think DET can say the same.  I think the DET brass would like to see GR make a deep championship run for guys like Tatar, Sheahan, Ferraro, Pulkkinen, Mrazek, Lashoff, etc…

Posted by Primis on 05/16/13 at 03:41 PM ET

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No matter what lines babs draws up chi has the advantage on at least 3 of them to suggest otherwise is pure homerism

Posted by jkm2011 on 05/16/13 at 04:05 PM ET

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While I agree with Regner’s comment of Fil and Mule having to play better it’s not that simple. We also need to get 4th line scoring and our D has to tighten up and hang on to the puck in their own zone better.

After he was face planted, I could swear I saw some emotion out of Kindl.  He looked pissed and probably played some of his best hockey.  Someone ought to take a run at Franzen too ... get him playing pissed so maybe he’ll do something.

Short series if they don’t wake up ... plain & simple.

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 05/16/13 at 04:20 PM ET

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if they’re playing up to their abilities, a line of Bertuzzi, Franzen, and Filpulla (PLEASE have Franzen as center) should be at least as good as Chicago’s second line.

we should have no problem matching up with them, and our 3rd line is probably much better than their 3rd line…it’s our 4th line that really gets us hosed.

Hawk’s just got in their heads, these two teams aren’t that far apart, it’s just execution.

Seriously?

Posted by godblender on 05/16/13 at 04:21 PM ET

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Seriously.  1-1 game most of the game.  Close all regular season.  You can’t tell me what you saw was typical of how the Wings have been playing.  They didn’t execute at a high enough level for long enough.  That first PP we were BUZZING.  The biggest difference I noticed was we had half the team on board last night and the other half were passengers.  Everyone needs to block shots, play physical, win those battles.  Ericsson’s half-assed clearing attempts haven’t been par for the course.  Smith looked a step behind everyone else, overthinking it, but it’s round two of his first playoffs, it’s gonna happen.

These teams aren’t that far apart at all but we need EVERYONE on board.  Chicago didn’t have any passengers last night, Detroit did.  It’s gonna hurt, it’s going to be exhausting, but you gotta get up for it and you can’t just look at the “skill” guys or the “grit” guys.  Everyone needs to be a bit of everything and we didn’t have that last night.  We also didn’t keep Chicago honest for their runs and their physical play wore on us as the game went on, but you’re gonna get tired playing 40 minutes in your own zone.

Gap needs to improve, puck support, but most importantly, everyone needs to be on the same page.  I honestly wouldn’t mind seeing some of those crazy line combo’s and spread some “stick-to-it-iveness” around.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 05/16/13 at 05:22 PM ET

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While I agree with Regner’s comment of Fil and Mule having to play better it’s not that simple.

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 05/16/13 at 05:20 PM ET

Unless Franzen scores two to three times every single game, some are going to complain about him.  He did fine, not great.  He didn’t score.  Hell even when he DOES score he catches flak sometimes.

Fil is a different story.

But yeah, it’s no good if Franzen scores and nobody else does.  While it’s easy to say “If Franzen scores it’s probably 2-1”, the same could be said of Bertuzzi, Cleary, Pavel, Z, etc…

There were stinkers.  Smith stunk.  Quincey stunk.  Fil was weak.  Bert was invisible.  The rest all had something good going at some point and just didn’t capitalize.

Forget the matchups, forget the rest.  All you need to know is it was 1-1 in the 3rd.  A bounce, or a better finish, or not turning the puck over once and… that game could have easily gone the other way.  Everyone’s acting like it was a beatdown, it wasn’t.  CHI displayed more skill and ability, but the scoreboard showed they could have still been beat.

Posted by Primis on 05/16/13 at 05:32 PM ET

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Primus ... here’s how I’m looking at this series.

Towes = Zetterberg
Kane = Datsyuk
Hossa = Franzen
Sharp = Filppula

They got goals from Hossa & Sharp (yeah I know it was an empty netter)
We got a goal from Brunner.

Our top 4 has to match their top 4 and our 3rd & 4th lines need to be better than theirs.  If that doesn’t happen then we’re not going to win.
If our D tightens up it can happen.

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 05/16/13 at 06:09 PM ET

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Franzen and Filppula have to step up…yeah, no shit. And Franzen may for a game or two then everyone will be praising the Mule but it won’t last. Unfortunately he will…as a Red Wing

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 05/16/13 at 07:00 PM ET

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Wax you realize hos is way better than franzen and sharpe is way better than fil right? If not youre delusional btw towes is better than z too

Posted by jkm2011 on 05/16/13 at 08:44 PM ET

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oh yeah .. i’m well aware Hossa is better than Franzen and Sharp is better than Filppula ... but that doesn’t mean Mule & Fil can’t turn it up a notch and actually make their presence felt.  Just get close ... that’s all I’m asking for.

It’s the playoffs ... anything can happen if you try.

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 05/16/13 at 11:49 PM ET

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