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The overnight report: Khan on Athanasiou; Regner chats with Kocur; Tweets of note

Of Red Wings-related note this morning:

1. MLive's Ansar Khan weighs in on the Wings' contractual tiff with restricted free agent Andreas Athanasiou:

The Athanasiou deal isn't being delayed due to cap concerns. The Red Wings, from what I gather, aren't worried about how they'll clear cap space. They have options.

The contract isn't done, I believe, because the club has a figure in mind of what it thinks Athanasiou, with one full NHL season, is worth and doesn't want to disrupt its salary structure.

Fans might argue that Athanasiou should be paid upwards of $2.5 million a season, even $3 million or more, based on his potential. But if the Red Wings acquiesced, they'd be forced to pay even more to sign young forwards Dylan Larkin and Anthony Mantha next summer, when their contracts are up.

It's a balancing act for the Red Wings.

Khan continues...

2. The Joe Kocur Foundation is holding its annual charity softball games in Highland, MI this Saturday, and DetroitRedWings.com's Art Regner spoke with Kocur for 45 minutes, discussing Kocur's charity work and of course his playing career with the Wings:

3. On YouTube, the Red Wings posted a video highlighting their Meijer Street Hockey Summer Tour's winding road through Michigan...

And the Wings are having CEO Tom Wilson discuss Little Caesars Arena's new features...

4. At the ECHL level, the Toledo Walleye re-signed Simon Denis on Thursday:

Denis returns to the Walleye

Toledo, OH – Defenseman Simon Denis has agreed to terms with the Toledo Walleye for the 2017-18 season.

The 25-year-old completed an amazing first professional season that saw him set a new Walleye single season record with a plus 40 rating. In 70 appearances for the Walleye, Denis scored 15 goals with 40 assists and 29 penalty minutes. The Burnaby, British Columbia native added in another five points (2G, 3A) in nine playoff contests. He was named ECHL Player of the Week for the week of February 6-12 when he posted seven points (4G, 3A) with a three goal game on February 11 vs. Brampton.

“It was an amazing first pro year for Simon, one that saw he develop into an elite defender,” said Head Coach Dan Watson. “His work effort is tremendous and he is a great locker room guy.”

Denis appeared in 141 games with 15 goals, 45 assists, 38 penalty minutes and a plus 9 rating at Ferris State University and helped the Bulldogs to a WCHA Playoff Championship in 2016 and a win over St. Cloud State in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. An assistant captain for Ferris State in each of the past two years, Denis posted a career best seven goals in 2015-16.

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from what I gather

Nice try Ansar, cover thy A$$. Did we really need another guess?

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 08/23/17 at 11:34 PM ET

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the club has a figure in mind of what it thinks Athanasiou, with one full NHL season, is worth and doesn’t want to disrupt its salary structure.

Heh.  Heheh.  Hahahaha.  HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!

Disrupt their salary structure? The salary structure that is paying this generation’s Kirk Maltby nearly $4M against the cap, and is paying “guy that Datsyuk and Zetterberg bounced pucks in off of” nearly $5M a year?

I be they’re attempting to get AA in at less than what they’re given to that not-even-glorified-AHLer Luke Glendening.

*ahem*

*#$%@& you, Ken Holland, you doddering old fool.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 08/23/17 at 11:58 PM ET

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Yeah, that line just kind of floated over the strike zone getting fatter as it reached home plate.

“Disrupt the salary structure” is late-Holland farce.

At one time that phrase meant something and was basically followed
for a reason: the grinders were important but they couldn’t be paid
like stars or the front office couldn’t ask anyone higher up to
accept a hometown discount. The positive trade-off was winning.

I am not sure anyone really thinks AA deserves north of 2.5-3M,
unless it’s on a Poile type long-term cost-certainty discount for
a guy he knows is going to be a key player. You’d have to get a UFA year
or two back at minimum.

But Holland has clearly missed the boat in how more and more of his fellow GMs
are investing early in a player’s prime and buying their best early UFA deals
in exchange.

And, we can all recite the names of the grinders on the Wings who were quickly
handed overly-long, overly-rich contracts with little drama or fuss.
The Glendening deal is not the costliest, but it is the most damaging comparison.

You can’t utilize “disrupt the salary structure” as an excuse now without expecting a laugh.

Posted by Lefty30 on 08/24/17 at 12:20 AM ET

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Give him a performance bonus if he achieves numbers similar to a higher paid player. This type of contract could be done. If they’d have done this before the non performers we have would all be at a lower salary.

Posted by stateofmifan on 08/24/17 at 12:58 AM ET

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I think that performance bonuses are regulated bu the CBA - which contracts can have them, what are the thresholds and how much do they pay (maximum). So, you cannot offer “if you match Tatar in points, you get X% of his pay”, you can only offer “if you score 25 (30, 35) goals, you get $ 400 000 (or similar). Also, performance bonuses are for entry level contracts and 35+ contracts. I don’t know if they are allowed for AA’s contract.

Posted by Davor on 08/24/17 at 01:58 AM ET

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The contract isn’t done, I believe, because the club has a figure in mind of what it thinks Athanasiou, with one full NHL season, is worth and doesn’t want to disrupt its salary structure.

That must have been hard to type through all of the hysterical laughter.  I know it was hard to read with all of the eye rolling.

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 08/24/17 at 07:06 AM ET

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KH should never use “do not want to distrupt salary structure”  argument after basically killing the whole salary structure in the last 18 months. All bad/terrible contracts (except for E) were handed out in the last 18 months.

Posted by VPalmer on 08/24/17 at 07:32 AM ET

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I have defended KH from time to time but I’m at the point where I want him gone and preferably before the season starts. Of all the talk about winning tradiation and blah blah he’s sure done his best to ruin it. It’s almost like a half decade running joke

Posted by benzanato on 08/24/17 at 08:52 AM ET

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Wait, we have a salary structure?

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 08/24/17 at 08:53 AM ET

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——I have defended KH from time to time but I’m at the point where I want him gone
——welcome to the club! I guess only 2 forumists remain strong in their support for KH. I also defended KH in the past. The only thing I do not think he has been “terrible” in the last 6 years. To me he was just average.
He became detrimental to the future of the team in the last 18 months imo starting with the Abby contract and doubling and tripling down on that mistake with Helm, DK, Nielsen, Glen, etc. while at the same time almost losing Tatar and now possibly AA. Although the first real sign that KH is losing it for me was the Cleary situation. Yes, I know Murray will say it was not a big deal. In a vacuum yes, but as the general approach to running an NHL team, it was big deal imo. I clearly felt then that KH is not capable of separating personal and business agendas in a salary cap era. And the business purpose of that Cleary hand shake deal I guess was for other Detroit players and other NHL players to see how we treat our players so we can get a discount on their deals. 3-4 years later, there was not a single discount deal for any UFAs, not even a home team discount from Abby and Helm and DK.
And I still remember the times when Lids, Z, Dats were playing at below market prices here and Wiz was complaining to the media that Detroit does not pay market prices for free agents. And now we are overpaying bottom 6 forwards and giving them NTCs.

Posted by VPalmer on 08/24/17 at 09:41 AM ET

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How can KH justify low balling AA when he is paying Glendonothing almost 2mln per year?

Posted by bababooey on 08/24/17 at 09:56 AM ET

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——How can KH justify low balling AA when he is paying Glendonothing almost 2mln per year?
——Glen is the fist guy in the gym?

Posted by VPalmer on 08/24/17 at 09:58 AM ET

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To be fair, I think 99.9% of commentors here want him gone. Including myself, even though I defend some aspects.

Defending him in some of those certain aspects is not equal to “let’s sign him to an extension!”

Although once in a blue moon I do see someone say ‘he deserves a chance to rebuild.’

Posted by ilovehomers on 08/24/17 at 10:44 AM ET

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...the club has a figure in mind of what it thinks Athanasiou, with one full NHL season, is worth and doesn’t want to disrupt its salary structure.

I’m not sure who’s dumber – Holland for thinking that or Kahn(!) for typing it without pointing out that it’s a ridiculous reason for there being no contract. At what point does common sense start taking hold here?

I’ve said it, and others have said it too: If Holland was the CEO of a normal business and had screwed up his personnel situation as badly as he’s screwed up the Wings’ situation, he would have been fired months ago. It just boggles my mind that Chris I can’t see, or refuses to accept, what a horrible job Holland has done, and continues to do.

This is the first year that I’m not the least bit excited about the approach of a new season. And that’s totally due to the “work” of Ken Holland.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 08/24/17 at 11:05 AM ET

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        Posted by VPalmer on 08/24/17 at 10:41 AM ET


I’ve wanted him gone for about 2 to 3 seasons now honestly. I just think some of them criticism is overblown and out of proportion. In those cases I tend to defend him. This summer though with Mrazek, Tats and now AA all my patience is about gone. I think the front office plays favouritism to the point where it’s excessive. I’m still in the Blash gets more blame than Kenny boat…and that’s to a small extent. I’d like to see both gone.

Posted by benzanato on 08/24/17 at 04:11 PM ET

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