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The Outlook For Niklas Kronwall

from Ansar Khan of Mlive,

2017-18 outlook: Knee issues and age have taken their toll on this once valuable workhorse....

Kronwall struggled through his worst season, the knee issues hurting his mobility and reducing his effectiveness. He said he was he told surgery won't help.

His role was reduced a bit, minutes trimmed, rested on occasion. He still played 10 sets of back-to-back games, averaged a fair amount of ice time and remained a regular on the power play.

Unless he makes a remarkable recovery, his minutes should be trimmed further, he should be rested on more back-to-back situations and his role on the power play reduced. Problem is, other than Mike Green, the Red Wings don't have many alternatives to play the point. Trevor Daley could fill the role. Young Ryan Sproul would be an option if he could stick in the lineup.

Key question: Will Kronwall continue to have a prominent role on the power play?

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Is this a joke? He should be on ir, not on the power play. He was terrible last year. His lack of mobility meant he couldn’t keep the puck in at the point anymore. Ridiculous.

Posted by teldar on 08/11/17 at 07:35 AM ET

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I truly avoid reading Ansers articles as they have no value to an actual fan.

Posted by ThatGuy on 08/11/17 at 08:29 AM ET

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Kronwell should be on LTIR, he’s been a workhorse but just like all old workhorses they eventually get put out to pasture. We’re rebuilding not trying to extend the careers of a trusted player. His minutes are valuable training time for younger players. Kronner has been a valuable asset over the years and I hate to say it but I feel it’s time to leave.

Posted by stateofmifan on 08/11/17 at 08:44 AM ET

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Posted by ThatGuy on 08/11/17 at 09:29 AM     When I see an article like this, I feel he possibly either a mouthpiece for the wings or is trying to poll the fan base to get their reaction, so they don’t make waves going into a new stadium.

Posted by stateofmifan on 08/11/17 at 08:56 AM ET

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I truly avoid reading Ansers articles as they have no value to an actual fan.

Ansar’s articles, for the most part, are still miles better than HSJ’s crap, yet she seems to be the favored reporter of the team. I certainly have no idea why.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 08/11/17 at 09:03 AM ET

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What’s Khan saying that’s wrong?

Kronwall SHOULDN’T have his minutes trimmed?
Kronwall SHOULDN’T have his power play role reduced?

What article are you folks reading that you think Khan is endorsing the overuse of Kronwall?

The problem I see is that Khan understands what Blashill is going to do and you don’t.

Of course Kronwall should have his minutes trimmed and his power play role reduced, but unless you skipped last season it should be pretty obvious that Blashill doesn’t trust his young players any more than Holland does, and he leans on his veterans to the obvious detriment of the team.

All Khan is doing is being realistic because he knows Blashill isn’t going to be a completely different coach than he was last year.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 08/11/17 at 09:07 AM ET

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    Posted by stateofmifan on 08/11/17 at 09:44 AM ET

What should be and what will happen are 2 vastly different things. We all know Blash will ride the old farts regardless of ineffectiveness, as much as he can.


It’s really a shame watching Kronwall go the Cleary route. I think if the coaches didn’t prop them up as still being these “elite” players. They probably retire flat out or the LTIR route.

Posted by benzanato on 08/11/17 at 09:15 AM ET

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All Khan is doing is being realistic because he knows Blashill isn’t going to be a completely different coach than he was last year.

That’s how I read it as well. He isn’t giving his opinion on what should happen, just saying what probably will. Ansar is the best of the formal Wings beat writers IMO. Sometimes he has an off articles here and there, but I enjoy the vast majority of his work.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 08/11/17 at 09:24 AM ET

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I love reading from random people on the internet how a guy who they’ve never met or seen medical records of should be on LTIR. 

He’s not as good as he used to be, no.  But he’s still an NHL defenseman.  The real issue is, he’s not a first pair guy, but no one else on the team is, so as the team’s best dman (despite how “he should be on LTIR”), he’s going to play on the first pair.

Kudos to Kronwall for still playing through all this.  He gives the team everything he’s got, and that’s respectable.

Posted by TreKronor on 08/11/17 at 09:34 AM ET

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Hey Hey Hockeytown…

I understand the bagging on Ansar and Detroit Media at times, but exactly what did he say that’s not “The Outlook For Niklas Kronwall” which is the title of the article.  Do you go read articles about the best steak to read how Chicken marinated overnight sucks and should be thrown out?

And by the way, the wings can not just decide to put Kronwall on LTIR. Doctors would have to opinion that, AND Kronwall would have to agree, because the CBA prohibits using LTIR for this type of gamesmanship.  If that was possible, teams would be putting bad contracts on LTIR for finger bruises. Now other teams have done this but Kronwall holds a trump card where he could just retire and screw the team over. Not to mention the big picture of who the eff cares if he plays this year and next, are you worried he might cost us a couple of games, honestly it just improves our chances of a better pick.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 08/11/17 at 09:38 AM ET

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So this is what the next 30 days are going to look like. Fluff pieces from MLIVE and HSJ about the outlook for so and so. Like instead of asking the question, how about you do some actual analysis on Kronwall’s effectiveness on the PP and express an actual opinion? Not only should Kronwall be permanently removed from the PP, but when everyone is healthy, he probably should not even be playing on this team:

DDK-Daley
Ouellet-Green
Ericsson-Jensen
Sproul, oh sorry, he’s getting waived. So Kronwall as #7.

Yet we all know that Ouellet is probably getting scratched so we can use Kronwall-Green. Kenny and Blashill have already stated earlier this summer that they plan to use Kronwall with Green again.

So how about MLIVE or HSJ write an article about how Sproul or Ouellet are about to be waived, regardless of how they perform in camp. Unless a mysterious case of pink eye buys Kenny more time…

Posted by fatsavage on 08/11/17 at 09:44 AM ET

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——Blashill doesn’t trust his young players
——-Even if he does, he will never say no to a veteran and until he does, he is not in control of the team imo.
Bench E for a game, do not play Kron on a PP, bench Abby after his last minute offensive zone penalty, etc.
Just do something like this (if deserved) to show you are in command.

Posted by VPalmer on 08/11/17 at 11:08 AM ET

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Kronwall holds a trump card where he could just retire and screw the team over.

How exactly is that a trump card?  Kronwall isn’t on a 35 and over contract.  If he retires his hit goes off the books.  Worst we’d face is a recapture pentalty, and it would be less than half his current cap hit.

Posted by BarryKlob on 08/11/17 at 11:21 AM ET

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And by the way, the wings can not just decide to put Kronwall on LTIR. Doctors would have to opinion that, AND Kronwall would have to agree,

Well, I would think “my knee hurts, I can’t play” is a de facto admission that he has injury issues preventing him from playing.  If his knee hurts too badly to play go on LTIR.  If it’s not he needs to get his butt back out on the ice and play to the level we expect from him.

Posted by BarryKlob on 08/11/17 at 11:27 AM ET

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My guess would be MRI should show some extensive damage preventing a guy to play to be eligible for LTIR.

Posted by VPalmer on 08/11/17 at 11:44 AM ET

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BUT HE WANTS TO PLAY!!!  They can’t force a guy to retire on LTIR just because he can only play 50-75% of the season.  Come on guys. 

Who takes his spot?  DDK?  That’d be even worse for the team.

Posted by TreKronor on 08/11/17 at 12:06 PM ET

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——Blashill doesn’t trust his young players
——-Even if he does, he will never say no to a veteran and until he does, he is not in control of the team imo.
Posted by VPalmer on 08/11/17 at 12:08 PM ET

You are inside the heads of KH/Blash. Some ideas by others are good but what you said is close to what will happen, imo

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 08/11/17 at 12:08 PM ET

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Who takes his spot?  DDK?  That’d be even worse for the team.

It already happens during the half of the season Kronwall doesn’t play anyways.

Posted by BarryKlob on 08/11/17 at 12:22 PM ET

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I think Kronner is one of those players that will be very difficult to convince him to retire.  It is his choice but he will hang on to the bitter end.  Not many are as smart as Lids

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 08/11/17 at 12:24 PM ET

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Kronwall probably thinks he is maybe second best dmam on our team even with one knee. Whether it is true or not has to be determined by Blashill based on the performance and not based on Kronwall previous accomplishments.  In this case I am OK with the tie goes to the veteran, but only if it’s a tie.

Posted by VPalmer on 08/11/17 at 12:36 PM ET

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Looking forward to seeing some random guy like Russo or Renouf or Hicketts clearly outperform several veterans and “earn” a spot. But then comes the silly excuses. One of my favourites was…player X sure performed well, but he wasn’t always facing NHL competition. In a lot of those games he was playing against other AHL’ers. To win a job you have to go up against NHL guys, you know, like the OMG line is doing every shift. The fact that I keep matching up these kids against AHL’ers is another story. Maybe next year kid…

Posted by fatsavage on 08/11/17 at 12:43 PM ET

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!!  They can’t force a guy to retire on LTIR just because he can only play 50-75% of the season.  Come on guys. 
Who takes his spot?  DDK?  That’d be even worse for the team.
Posted by TreKronor on 08/11/17 at 01:06 PM ET

You can if your clothes itch

Posted by ThatGuy on 08/11/17 at 01:07 PM ET

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How exactly is that a trump card?  Kronwall isn’t on a 35 and over contract.  If he retires his hit goes off the books.  Worst we’d face is a recapture pentalty, and it would be less than half his current cap hit.

Posted by BarryKlob on 08/11/17 at 12:21 PM E

if Kronwall retired Wings would have to pay a cap recapture penalty because of the way his contract was front loaded.  The # is decreasing, I think its $2-$2.5MM the next few seasons.

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 08/11/17 at 01:48 PM ET

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You can if your clothes itch

Posted by ThatGuy on 08/11/17 at 02:07 PM ET

If the player agrees, why is this so hard for some of you to understand, Hossa is agreeing with the decision to retire, the Hawks are not forcing him into it, HUGE difference,

“While I am disappointed that I will not be able to play, I have to consider the severity of my condition and how the treatments have impacted my life both on and off the ice.”

Thank you come again.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 08/11/17 at 01:51 PM ET

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Blashill based on the performance and not based on Kronwall previous accomplishments.  In this case I am OK with the tie goes to the veteran, but only if it’s a tie.

Posted by VPalmer on 08/11/17 at 01:36 PM ET

How do you determine a tie?  VPalmer assessment watching FSN Detroit cameras follow the puck around while Mickey says bingo bango trying to figure out the game plan for the night and which players are executing it,  or do we maybe lean on the NHL level coaching staff dissecting and viewing a compiled real of each players shift with an overhead camera, with full knowledge of that nights game plan because its there’s?

This notion that an NHL coach, who always has their job, and their next job on the line is using a guy based on his name is funny to me. Sure, as with anything in life, you can build a trust factor with people that takes longer to lose than someone who hasn’t established one, but water tends to finds its level in short order.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 08/11/17 at 02:37 PM ET

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This notion that an NHL coach, who always has their job, and their next job on the line is using a guy based on his name is funny to me. Sure, as with anything in life, you can build a trust factor with people that takes longer to lose than someone who hasn’t established one, but water tends to finds its level in short order.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 08/11/17 at 03:37 PM ET

The last time Kronwall scored a goal on the PP was in March of 2015. That’s 2.5 years ago. The guy who assisted on that goal was Erik Cole!!! Erik Cole!!! I’m sorry. I don’t have to be a professional coach like Blashill to recognize that Niklas Kronwall is no longer that effective on the PP anymore. Oh yeah it’s not all about goals…agreed. So what else does Kronwall do effectively? Does he rush the puck up and gain the zone? Can he walk the line like he used to? Can he keep pucks in the zone?

But yeah OK. I’m not a professional coach so how dare I question Jeff Blashill’s decision-making on this. I’m sure it’s 100% objective and has nothing to do with emotion, personal bias, politics, etc…

Posted by fatsavage on 08/11/17 at 02:50 PM ET

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All Khan is doing is being realistic because he knows Blashill isn’t going to be a completely different coach than he was last year.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 08/11/17 at 10:07 AM ET

Agreed. Khan is not in the wrong. I could not imagine being a beat writer for this team and not want to flip out and go on a rant. It would be impossible. Of all the beat writers, especially at MLIVE, he is by far one of the better ones.

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 08/11/17 at 04:19 PM ET

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Compared to the athletic theyre public access.

Posted by ThatGuy on 08/11/17 at 05:58 PM ET

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if Kronwall retired Wings would have to pay a cap recapture penalty because of the way his contract was front loaded.  The # is decreasing, I think its $2-$2.5MM the next few seasons.

That’s not a trump card.  It’s at best an off-suit king.  That recapture is less than half his contract value (I don’t have the exact figure but it’s less than half).  So if he retires the Wings actually get 2 million in cap relief.  If they buy him out they get less than a million next season.  If he goes on LTIR Wings can get pretty much all of it off.  Here’s the thing, if Kronwall retires he gets nothing.  If he’s bought out he gets less than his full amount.  If he’s a good little boy and goes on LTIR he gets the rest of the money he’s owed.

So no, it’s not a trump card.  It’s a self-inflicted wound that is actually preferable to the Wings compared to buying him out or floating him for the next two years at full cap hit and diminishing number of games played and performance therein.

Posted by BarryKlob on 08/11/17 at 06:13 PM ET

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