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Bad headline, I actually thought the Wings played tonight, duh.

Khan,

Howard practicing in starter’s net, but doesn’t necessarily indicate he’s starting Wednesday.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/17 at 11:10 AM ET

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Witkowski practiced? I was under the impression when you’re suspended you’re not supposed be around the team or team activities. Guess I was wrong.

Posted by BladesOfSteel on 11/21/17 at 11:15 AM ET

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Bad headline, I actually thought the Wings played tonight, duh.

Just change “The” to “A” and you’re all good, Paul.

Nyquist-Zetterberg-Abdelkader (net front), Tatar-Kronwall

I think we have to give up hope on this unit changing any time soon. The goal last game extended its lifespan considerably.

Posted by hockeyfreak13 from Grand Rapids on 11/21/17 at 11:26 AM ET

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The goal last game extended its lifespan considerably.

Because it showed that the process is working and that players are buying into what Blashill is trying to teach. Duh.

Ugh, writing that made me feel so unclean.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 11/21/17 at 11:29 AM ET

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Given how poorly Zee has played…why not shift him to the wing to ease his workload. He’s played plenty of wing before. Give AA a look between Zee and Mantha. Adds some speed to that line.

Posted by fatsavage on 11/21/17 at 11:56 AM ET

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Khan in a tweet says Howard is starting tomorrow.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/17 at 12:12 PM ET

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Zetterberg should not be playing top line minutes.  Not because he is bad, but because he is too old and it will make him less effective and worn down.  The Sedins have had their minutes cut significantly and the Canucks are better for it.  I mean, a rested Zetterberg being your 3rd line center is pretty good.

Posted by jb61973 on 11/21/17 at 12:16 PM ET

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Also, Larkin, AA and Tatar were electric the one game they played together.  Nielsen, Helm and Abdelkader were pretty good together.  And Glendening should be on the 4th line with those other 2 scrubs.

Posted by jb61973 on 11/21/17 at 12:17 PM ET

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Bad headline, I actually thought the Wings played tonight, duh.

you had me wondering, PK

I thought mayhaps I missed a day somewhere ...

oh oh

Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 11/21/17 at 12:26 PM ET

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Funny thing sh is I looked at the schedule five minutes before doing this post.

I blame the 15 games on the schedule for Wednesday, at least no games on Thursday.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/17 at 12:27 PM ET

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Given how poorly Zee has played…why not shift him to the wing to ease his workload. He’s played plenty of wing before. Give AA a look between Zee and Mantha. Adds some speed to that line.

Yes! Or move AA to Larkin’s spot and give Larkin Mantha and Z.

Also, Larkin, AA and Tatar were electric the one game they played together.  Nielsen, Helm and Abdelkader were pretty good together.  And Glendening should be on the 4th line with those other 2 scrubs.

Glen has looked really good with Helm. I know it’s a lot of money on that line but I actually like Nielson Helm and Glen.

Posted by dreamsofhope from Colorado on 11/21/17 at 12:47 PM ET

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Oilers are desperate for help on defense. They have cap space. Let them rent Mike Green. Maybe even extend him if it works out. He’s from Alberta. To make the roster spots work, take Matt Benning in return. He’s 23, shoots right, would be an immediate upgrade on Ouellet, Jensen, etc…Then take their 1st round pick. Or a pair of 2nds. Or some conditional 1st where the Oilers can choose whether to surrender a 2018 1st or a 2019 1st.

The point is…sell HIGH on Mike Green. Buyers are out there. You have to realize this is not a contending team. Sorry Kenny.

Posted by fatsavage on 11/21/17 at 12:58 PM ET

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I disagree with moving Larkin to play with Zetterberg.

Larkin has to continue to have his “own” line. If that makes sense.

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/21/17 at 01:18 PM ET

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Larkin has to continue to have his “own” line. If that makes sense.

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/21/17 at 01:18 PM ET

So having Tatar and Abby as wingers makes it his “own” line. But the moment Zee replaces one of those wingers then what happens - Larkin stops learning? Makes total sense.

Posted by fatsavage on 11/21/17 at 01:27 PM ET

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Not gonna get a 1st this early in the season for Green. Trade deadline gives you the highest return and his cap goes down(pro-rated) on the team he goes to, meaning more buyer’s.

Posted by benzanato on 11/21/17 at 01:36 PM ET

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So having Tatar and Abby as wingers makes it his “own” line. But the moment Zee replaces one of those wingers then what happens - Larkin stops learning? Makes total sense.

Posted by fatsavage on 11/21/17 at 01:27 PM ET

No but you damn well know Blash throws Larkin to wing not Z

Posted by benzanato on 11/21/17 at 01:39 PM ET

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I normally do not bring up this kind of trade that would never happen but now I am.

Forget cap structure, would you trade AA for Eichel, who is making $10M per thru the 2025-26 season.

I would imagine Buffalo fans would laugh at it, but what about Detroit fans?

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/17 at 01:39 PM ET

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Posted by benzanato on 11/21/17 at 01:36 PM ET

Bullseye. Forgot about the pro-rated stuff. That’s how the Penguins could stack up for playoff runs in the past (and ultimately flopped yearly).

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/21/17 at 01:40 PM ET

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Idk Paul I haven’t seen much of Eichel to say yay or nay but am leaning more towards yay

Posted by benzanato on 11/21/17 at 01:41 PM ET

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/17 at 01:39 PM ET

Only if we could then turn around and trade Eichel for a youngish- #1 d-man. smile

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/21/17 at 01:41 PM ET

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And I know you said forget cap structure Paul but I do not believe Eichel is worth 10 mil a year. 7 or 8 not bad, 10 is more like an Abby overpayment

Posted by benzanato on 11/21/17 at 01:42 PM ET

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Forget cap structure, would you trade AA for Eichel, who is making $10M per thru the 2025-26 season.

I do not think you can “forget cap structure” when analyzing this proposal. You have to think that having Eichel will not allow us to resign either Larkin or Mantha. So, in a vacuum, of course, I would trade AA for Eichel, but in reality I would not because I just do not see Eichel is a franchise changing type of player. Maybe I have not seen that many games by him, maybe he is still going to improve, but to me he is more of a $7 mil player, not $10 mil player. AND we need a franchise dman more than a franchise forward.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/21/17 at 01:45 PM ET

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Not gonna get a 1st this early in the season for Green. Trade deadline gives you the highest return and his cap goes down(pro-rated) on the team he goes to, meaning more buyer’s.

Posted by benzanato on 11/21/17 at 01:36 PM ET

Oilers have cap space. So the $6M is no problem for them. If you want to retain some salary, then it’s even more attractive.

Any 1st that gets traded, whether now, or at the deadline is typically lottery protected anyway. Any illusion that we trade Green at the deadline for a 1st, and that team falters, and somehow that 1st turns into Dahlin is just fantasy. All teams will protect that 1st. Hence you get conditions like a 2018 1st OR we surrender a 2019 1st. Or things like a 2018 1st, but if it ends up in the top 5, then it’s off the table and becomes a 2019 1st.

But I get it. Wait until the deadline. Maybe more teams start a bidding war. Or maybe Green gets hurt and we’re left with nothing. If you can get a decent return from an Oilers GM who is about to panic, then that could be the best offer that you get. Many of the best returns occur in Nov/Dec/Jan, rather than right at the deadline.

Posted by fatsavage on 11/21/17 at 01:50 PM ET

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No but you damn well know Blash throws Larkin to wing not Z

Posted by benzanato on 11/21/17 at 01:39 PM ET

Thanks for replying to that - looks like I haven’t missed much with that sexy ignore feature active. Absolutely that is part of it. My thought goes back to Flip who could never really get his own line going. Looked great in his last year with Pavs, but couldn’t be relied on as a solid #2 C; to create his own offense.

I feel that Larkin centering his own line is essential to his growth. I’m by no means an expert, though; so I’d like to see if anyone else (who will be respectable) agrees or disagrees.

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/21/17 at 02:29 PM ET

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I blame the 15 games on the schedule for Wednesday, at least no games on Thursday.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/17 at 12:27 PM ET

That’s an amazing slate of games. Too bad I’ll be too drunk to watch any of them.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie, MI on 11/21/17 at 02:41 PM ET

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Glen has looked really good with Helm. I know it’s a lot of money on that line but I actually like Nielson Helm and Glen.

Posted by dreamsofhope from Colorado on 11/21/17 at 12:47 PM ET/quote]

I agree with one caveat: That they get 7 minutes a night. Max. And no overtime time. Ever

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 11/21/17 at 03:07 PM ET

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No but you damn well know Blash throws Larkin to wing not Z

Posted by benzanato on 11/21/17 at 01:39 PM ET

Why would you assume that? Larkin is clearly being used exclusively as a center now. Blashill is on record in saying that moving Zee to the wing is one way to ease the burden for him. So why would you assume that a line of Zee-Larkin-Mantha results in Zee still ending up at center?

Like it’s fine to think a certain way, but what’s wrong with asking people to provide some rationale? So why is Larkin centering Tatar and Abby great for his development, but if Zee swaps in for one of these as a winger, then Larkin’s development gets stunted? And the answer is because we assume Larkin is the one shifted to the wing, when nothing else suggests that is what would happen?

Posted by fatsavage on 11/21/17 at 03:21 PM ET

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come on Blash. we don’t want defensive lines, but let’s overload two lines with all the team’s offensive players. We know what you should be doing better than you do.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 11/21/17 at 03:56 PM ET

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That is one of the toughest questions I have thought about today, Paul. 

I just am not quite sure about Eichel.  He’s been billed as a Franchise player.  He got the term of a Franchise player.  But he sure doesn’t have the attitude of one.  He’s been fairly steady, performance wise, though this year he’s on a downswing.

Posted by TreKronor on 11/21/17 at 03:58 PM ET

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I feel that Larkin centering his own line is essential to his growth. I’m by no means an expert, though; so I’d like to see if anyone else (who will be respectable) agrees or disagrees.

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/21/17 at 02:29 PM ET

I agree and have since the end of last season. This is his make or break season and so far he is making it. This gives me hope that he understands what it takes to become a very good player at the top level of his game. I know others are less optimistic….are they more knowledgeable, I don’t know.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 11/21/17 at 04:00 PM ET

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Posted by TreKronor on 11/21/17 at 03:58 PM ET

I wonder if Eichel and Larkin will have comparisons for their entire careers…..rather than Eichel and McGod.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 11/21/17 at 04:01 PM ET

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Regarding Eichel, he certainly has a lot of pressure on hiim in Buffalo.  Only other offensive player is Evander Kane and he is playing well and of course, he is UFA in July.

The Sabres are a mess, defense is a big issue but you have to wonder how Eichel would do with a few more players surrounding him?

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/17 at 04:04 PM ET

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I normally do not bring up this kind of trade that would never happen but now I am.

Forget cap structure, would you trade AA for Eichel, who is making $10M per thru the 2025-26 season.

I would imagine Buffalo fans would laugh at it, but what about Detroit fans?

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/21/17 at 01:39 PM ET

I’d consider Ristolainen for Athanasiou, but not Eichel. I’m just… not sold on him.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 11/22/17 at 08:28 AM ET

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