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The Latest On Contract Talks With Tatar And DeKeyser

from George Sipple of the Detroit Free Press,

Next up on the to-do list for Detroit Red Wings general manager Ken Holland is working out deals with forward Tomas Tatar and defenseman Danny DeKeyser, both restricted free agents. It could take a while to come to an agreement with both players.

“We’ve talked and continue to talk, but nothing close,” Holland said Friday.

Holland said he made Tatar an offer recently that is being mulled over.

“Tats is overseas, and I’m waiting to hear back,” Holland said. “On the DeKeyser front, we met them in early June. We talked briefly at the draft, and we haven’t really talked much in July. I’ve made what I think are pretty good offers. They haven’t really countered. We’re just in the waiting process.

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RWBill's avatar

Happy Happy Joy Joy.

Maybe this will give us something else to jabber about.  How much is Tatar worth?

What happens if they DON’T come to an agreement?

Posted by RWBill on 07/18/14 at 06:35 PM ET

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OMG after Clearygate and Quincy’s highway robbery I don’t think we could handle any problems.

Posted by bigdee89 from The Great White North Eh? on 07/18/14 at 09:32 PM ET

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How much is Tatar worth?

$4 mil per year imo. You give him Franzen’s minutes on top 2 lines and a spot on a first PP unit and he will score 25-30 goals. Franzen is paid $4 mil to do that. Tatar also brings more physicality (despite his size) and grit. I would have no problem signing him for 5 years at $4 mil per. KH kept Tatar in GR 2 years too long, cost him couple of million of dollars, now probably lowballing him as Tatar is RFA. I wish KH would have taken care of the future of the team the way he is taking care of the past.
I also would like to see DK being signed long term at Q money. These 2 guys (DK and Tatar) are important pieces of the future, take care of them.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/18/14 at 09:53 PM ET

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He will get 2.5ish x 2 years. Here’s hoping they dont insult anyone with horrible offers.

Posted by brians neck on 07/18/14 at 10:01 PM ET

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They’ll be re-signed. I think they’re going to get “bridge deals” like Sheahan’s—2 to 3 years, smaller salary at the front end, current-“market value” at the end. I’m guessing that it’s going to cost at least $2 million a year to get Tatar done, $2.5 to get DeKeyser done. Obviously DeKeyser’s agent probably thinks he’s worth more given that any defenseman who skates in a straight line can earn $3 million in the NHL these days.

There’s just no impetus to get the deals done right booking now, so we get to have fun waiting.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/18/14 at 10:10 PM ET

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4 million per year????

Posted by brians neck on 07/18/14 at 10:10 PM ET

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that was a joke btw im not trying to rip on anyone smile

Posted by brians neck on 07/18/14 at 10:12 PM ET

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I think they’re going to get “bridge deals

Yes, I obviously agree, but I think we will be better served locking both long term now. That’s why I was thinking 5 year at $4 mil for both, because when they will be eligible to become UFA in a couple of years, the price will be higher.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/18/14 at 10:14 PM ET

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I could see the latter-year cap hits reaching that amount, but historically speaking, the Wings tend to play, “Earn a little less now, get more than your market value later” contractually speaking. I could see the final 2 or 3 years of their deals reach that amount.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/18/14 at 10:15 PM ET

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So if they can’t come to agreement, what happens? He just sits out?

He is more of a little bulldog than Franzen.

Posted by RWBill on 07/18/14 at 10:45 PM ET

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If they can’t come to an agreement by camp, yes, they’d sit out, but that’s not going to happen, Tatar being a through-the-media negotiator included.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/18/14 at 10:48 PM ET

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I also would like to see DK being signed long term

Agree. He is going to be a very good D-man. Wrap him up. Sign with ink and paper. Pronto.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 07/18/14 at 11:51 PM ET

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Who is Tatar’s agent?

Posted by VPalmer on 07/19/14 at 12:00 AM ET

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I don’t know who Tatar’s agent is. I know that DeKeyser’s got Don Meehan of Newport Sports representing him.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/19/14 at 12:15 AM ET

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A good target range on Tatar is 3 years, 9.5 mil.  For Dekeyser it’s 3 and 10.5.  Pretty sure those numbers will get it done for both guys, although Detroit may have to go 2 and 6.5 on Tatar because he wants FA status.

Enjoy the next three years, though, because it’s highly unlikely Tatar’s back after they are over.  Dekeyser, maybe.  Tatar’s got ‘I’m going to take the highest dollar amount I can get as soon as I can hit free agency’ written all over him.

You give him Franzen’s minutes on top 2 lines and a spot on a first PP unit and he will score 25-30 goals

Tatar hasn’t scored 25 goals as a professional in any year, ever.  He scored a ton in u20 and u18 leagues, but post US drinking age he’s ceilinged at 24.  This is not to say he won’t or can’t, it’s to point out that increased opportunity doesn’t necessarily result in increased production.  For starters, he’ll be playing tougher competition that will defend him more strenuously than he would see with fewer minutes against 3rd or fourth (or at worst 2nd) liners.  Further, playing more doesn’t mean you play as well, just for longer.  Energy level is always a concern with elevated IT.  If you’re playing 13ish with 43 second shifts you can go all out every shift.  If you’re playing 17+ with 50 second shifts, not so much.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 07/19/14 at 08:06 AM ET

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Obviously DeKeyser’s agent probably thinks he’s worth more given that any defenseman who skates in a straight line can earn $3 million in the NHL these days.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/18/14 at 10:10 PM ET

If you’re Brooks Orpik you can get $5m even if you CAN’T skate in a straight line.

Posted by Primis on 07/19/14 at 09:33 AM ET

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Tatar’s got ‘I’m going to take the highest dollar amount I can get as soon as I can hit free agency’ written all over him.

which makes him the normal NHL player.

Posted by RWBill on 07/19/14 at 11:44 AM ET

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Tatar hasn’t scored 25 goals as a professional in any year, ever.

Not to quibble… okay I’m gonna quibble:

* 2010-11, 25g
* 2011-12, 26g
* 2012-13, 48g

Those are his totals, by the year.

You obviously meant, “during a single regular-season in a single league,” because his AHL regualr-season-by-regular-season totals were 24g, 24g, & 23g. But as you know, in each of those years he played in other leagues as well & in 2012-13 he played in 24g on the way to winning the Calder Cup.

Yeah. I like to quibble.

Posted by alwaysaurie on 07/19/14 at 12:04 PM ET

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Tatar’s got ‘I’m going to take the highest dollar amount I can get as soon as I can hit free agency’ written all over him.

I agree with that and that’s the main reason I consider Tatar very much tradable for the right return.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/19/14 at 02:25 PM ET

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Tatar’s got ‘I’m going to take the highest dollar amount I can get as soon as I can hit free agency’ written all over him.


which makes him the normal NHL player.

Yes, but imo Nyquist, for example, has a totally different personality. I am pretty positive he will be here for most of his career and possibly will be the next captain.
Tatar, as much as I love to watch him, is the next Hudler, he will go where the money is. Not making any judgement, just expressing an opinion based on Tatar’s interviews.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/19/14 at 02:28 PM ET

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I would hope to get both of these guys under 4 year deals, at least. Dekeyser is the priority, though. If management believes Tatar will take off as soon as he’s UFA, they should still sign him for as long as they can and then trade him whenever it makes sense. Typically players that want to go for the money aren’t gonna get that money by staying, and a player that forces his team to bid for his services against 29 other teams, as a UFA, isn’t a player you want on your team.

Posted by awould on 07/19/14 at 03:07 PM ET

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neither player will be looking long term. there is a process to getting the high dollar long term deal which they are both 2 seasons away from.

Posted by brians neck on 07/19/14 at 04:07 PM ET

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That’s my theory, that we’re talking about a “bridge” deal to get these guys toward the paydays they’re looking for.

For what it’s worth, while Tatar’s more than willing to pour the public pressure on regarding his contract demands, he’s also a life-long Wings fan and I haven’t seen a guy prouder than he was the day he heard he’d made the team. I don’t know if he’ll play his entire career here—as we’ve seen with Filppula, Hudler and Kopecky, among others, the salary cap tends to break graduating classes of “kids” apart—but he’s certainly a very proud Wing and he does care about being here.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/19/14 at 04:12 PM ET

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Not to quibble… okay I’m gonna quibble:

* 2010-11, 25g
* 2011-12, 26g
* 2012-13, 48g

Those are his totals, by the year.

Pretty sure we weren’t talking about 25 NHL goals overall between a regular and playoff season though.  If we’re talking about an 82 game parameter vs an 82 game + x game parameter, two different estimates.

which makes him the normal NHL player.

There are players who want to stay somewhere, there are players who would like to take advantage of the salary and contract leverage that free agency provides in securing the best possible deal to stay, and there are players who OH MY GOD I CAN’T WAIT TO BE A UFA I AM GOING TO BACK A BLEEPING BRINKS TRUCK UP TO SOME GM’S HOUSE AND TELL HIM IT SAYS “FEEEED ME!”

Tatar strikes me as the third of those types of players.  That’s not a pejorative description of course, more power to him… I just wouldn’t get too attached to seeing the guy in a Wings jersey.  The last player Detroit had like that was Hudler, and we saw how that went.

I haven’t seen a guy prouder than he was the day he heard he’d made the team.

Do you know how much hyperbole sensors cost, George?  How hard they are to properly install and calibrate?  They are the most useful, expensive and delicate pieces of machinery ever designed by man.  Number 2?  IIUs (irony identification units).

At any rate, you’re frying my inventory of the former at an alarming pace.

Typically players that want to go for the money aren’t gonna get that money by staying, and a player that forces his team to bid for his services against 29 other teams, as a UFA, isn’t a player you want on your team.

Man, I hope you weren’t one of the guys jumping up and down on Holland’s face about not landing any big ticket UFAs and how failing to do so is a sign he’s not doing his job well… because if you were and then you said that bit, ouch.

Whiplash.

 

Posted by HockeyinHD on 07/19/14 at 05:13 PM ET

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Do you know how much hyperbole sensors cost, George?  How hard they are to properly install and calibrate?  They are the most useful, expensive and delicate pieces of machinery ever designed by man.  Number 2?  IIUs (irony identification units).

At any rate, you’re frying my inventory of the former at an alarming pace.

Fortunately, tissues and hand lotion are still cheap.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/19/14 at 05:33 PM ET

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Fortunately, tissues and hand lotion are still cheap.

Presented without comment.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 07/19/14 at 05:43 PM ET

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Not exactly. You’re whining now.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 07/19/14 at 06:58 PM ET

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I have the feeling Tatar may be trade bait this season for a defense man. I hope not.

Posted by bigfrog on 07/19/14 at 08:04 PM ET

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Man, I hope you weren’t one of the guys jumping up and down on Holland’s face about not landing any big ticket UFAs and how failing to do so is a sign he’s not doing his job well… because if you were and then you said that bit, ouch.

Whiplash.

You’re reading comprehension is lacking, or as is more likely, you’re trying to reframe an argument to make an irrelevant point. And not very well.

My point is that a player that seeks to go UFA isn’t a player that the home team is likely to bid on because the player has essentially said to f*ck off and declared open season for 29 other teams. It has nothing to do with the right or wrong of 29 other teams to go after them. And certainly nothing to do with Holland’s failures this summer or my wish that he’d succeeded in his declared goal.

Pretty sure we weren’t talking about 25 NHL goals overall between a regular and playoff season though.  If we’re talking about an 82 game parameter vs an 82 game + x game parameter, two different estimates.

It’s funny you say this, because I recall you cherry picking stats to make Nyquist look like a green rookie fresh off the bus who wasn’t worthy of the spot Cleary was given last year. That was around the time you declared Nyquist wouldn’t be more than a middling second liner. And yet here you are again, defending Cleary, the status quo and whatever else is contrary to the prevailing sentiment on these pages. The problem with being a contrarian is that after a while your credibility wears away until you’re left with, well, fancy turns of phrase and nothing new to say.

Fortunately, tissues and hand lotion are still cheap.

An apt description.

Posted by awould on 07/19/14 at 11:11 PM ET

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Answer your email, Eric. You may be an articulate and well-spoken member of the community, but that doesn’t mean that the first thing I hear when I read you get into a trifle of quibbling is all the people who’ve said, “Well the first thing you can do to improve the comments section is ban HockeyinHD, he’s just a troll.”

My boss is nicer than I am. He recognizes that, occasionally, you can be the voice of reason as well as a inveterate and completely self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing contrarian.

smile

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/19/14 at 11:28 PM ET

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you can be the voice of reason

LOL. That’s true like a busted clock being right twice a day. His entire schtick is to accuse everyone of being alarmist and hysterical and lament that we should all sit back and listen to his sage advice, unencumbered as it is by bias and ignorance. The clock analogy is only true because occasionally we actually are all alarmist and hysterical, not because his ideas are correct or more true.

Posted by awould on 07/19/14 at 11:49 PM ET

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And that’s the whole problem.

And why he needs to respond to his email.

Tick tock isn’t just Ken Holland’s nickname any more.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/19/14 at 11:56 PM ET

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Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/19/14 at 05:33 PM ET

Sadly, he used them all up while hanging out with Sammy last season.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 07/20/14 at 01:26 PM ET

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