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St. James: As expected, the Red Wings will stand pat

Updated 8x with more Holland comments at 4:37 PM:

Updated 2x at 2:32 PM: No surprise whatsoever here, from the Free Press's Helene St. James:

Unwilling to pay the prices demanded, the Detroit Red Wings are leaning heavily toward letting the NHL's final sale of the 2013 season come and go.

I'll have more coverage after the 3 p.m. deadline, but from what I hear from the Wings' front office, the Wings aren't doing anything.

Players in whom the Wings had interest, such as defenseman Jay Bouwmeester, and by whom they were intrigued, such as Jaromir Jagr, went for way above what the Wings deemed reasonable -- Bouwmeester, especially. The St. Louis Blues gave a first-round pick to Calgary in return for Bouwmeester, and the Wings weren't relinquishing that for anybody. Not this year, not after using their 2012 first-rounder to acquire Kyle Quincey.

This is an unusual season for the Wings; post-Nicklas Lidstrom, they find themselves far more focused on rebuilding than reloading. Rebuilding comes from within -- with high draft picks and through the development of prospects. The Wings believe they have a lot of good players either just arriving in the pipeline or soon to do so, such as Danny DeKeyser, Joakim Andersson, Gustav Nyquist, Tomas Tatar, Brian Lashoff and Petr Mrazek.

There's also a realistic assessment that this 2013 team isn't a Stanley Cup contender and wasn't going to become one via what's available now. Management is much more comfortable making a move at the draft, if it comes down to that.

Update: At the same time, from the Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness...

Wings forward Valtteri Filppula said he’s not let his pending unrestricted free agency become a distraction this season.

“You automatically think about it, but I’ve been trying to put little thought into it because it’s not going to do me any good,” Filppula said. “We’ll see what happens, but definitely interesting times. It’s been a great place to be, great team. Obviously you always want to be on a team like that.”

Filppula is in the final year of a contact that’s paying him $3 million.

“There’s nothing going on right now,” Filppula said.

He’s reportedly looking for a deal that will give him a $2 million increase per season.

“I don’t think it matters that much to me,” Filppula said when asked if he wished he was close to a deal. “I think the focus should be on playing right now. And then when the time comes to think about that stuff I will do that.”

Update #2: From Pleiness:

Update #3: The Free Press's Helene St. James posted a video of Wings coach Mike Babcock suggesting that the team would make no moves prior to the deadline:

Update #4: The Detroit News's Ted Kulfan took note of Babcock's comments:

"Absolutely, 100 percent," said Babcock, when asked if he'd be comfortable with his roster going forward. "I've never felt like we were going to do anything (trades), to be honest with you. I kind of like what we have going and the direction we're going. We think we have kids that are really coming and we're trying to figure out which are the best kids to help us be successful. We have a few more kids in the minors — in particular (center Riley) Sheahan — I'd like to take a look at as well, and we're just going to keep doing what we can as players and coaches."

Forward Henrik Zetterberg (groin) said he's expecting to play Thursday night in Phoenix after missing two games.

Defenseman Kyle Quincey (fractured cheekbone) is tentatively scheduled to play Friday in Colorado, Babcock said.

Forwards Todd Bertuzzi (back, could return in a week) and Mikael Samuelsson (upper body, day to day) are expected to return soon. They've played in 11 games combined this season.

"All year we've had so many injuries, and getting some guys back, that's new bodies, new fresh blood and the same as getting players from other teams," Zetterberg said. "We have a good squad in here and looking forward to the playoffs."

As for his own physical condition, Zetterberg completed the entire practice Wednesday.

"I'm feeling better; it was nice to be skating again," said Zetterberg, who was optimistic he'll play Thursday. "We had a couple of good days of treatment and hoping to feel good today and that was achieved."

Forward Damien Brunner has an undisclosed injury and didn't practice Wednesday. General manager Ken Holland and Babcock both termed Brunner day to day. Babcock wouldn't rule Brunner out for the game in Phoenix. Either Zetterberg or Brunner would have to play, or the Red Wings would need to call up a forward from Grand Rapids to get to 12 healthy forwards.

Update #5:

Quoth Gregg Krupa:

Update #6: Here's more from the Macomb Daily's Pleiness:

"I never ever felt like we were going to do anything to be honest with you,” Babcock said. “I kind of like what we’ve got going and the direction we’re heading in. We’ve got some kids that are really coming. We’re trying to figure out which kids that will help us be successful. There are a few more kids in the minors, particularly (Riley) Sheahan I’d like to have a look at as well. We’re going to keep doing what we can as will the players.”

The Wings’ lineup has been decimated with injuries all season, along the blue line and at forward.

They’ve yet to play with the lineup they thought they would have once the season began.

“I think for us all year we’ve had so many injuries,” Zetterberg said. “I think getting some guys back that’s some new bodies, getting some new, fresh blood in. That’s the same as getting a player from another team. I think we have a good squad in here and looking forward to the postseason.”

The Wings are currently seventh in the Western Conference, three points up on St. Louis, heading into play Wednesday.

“I’ve been satisfied lots of years,” Babcock said. “But they’re different each and every year. This year has been invigorating for me because there are so many kids and every day there are so many projects. There’s way more individual video, way more meetings to help kids get better quickly. Our strength coach has done a fantastic job this year and it’s all been a part of us getting better and I think that’s been more important than ever this year.”

Update #7: About time! Here's Holland via St. James...

"There were a couple of players we had interest in," general manager Ken Holland said. "Didn't get it done. We made offers. At the end of the day, maybe somebody likes somebody else's players better."

Players in whom the Wings had interest, such as defenseman Jay Bouwmeester, and by whom they were intrigued, such as Jaromir Jagr, went for way above what the Wings deemed reasonable -- Bouwmeester, especially. The St. Louis Blues gave a first-round pick to Calgary in return for Bouwmeester, and the Wings weren't relinquishing that for anybody. Not this year, not after using their 2012 first-rounder to acquire Kyle Quincey.

"We haven't had a top-10 pick since 1993," Holland said. "We traded eight or nine first-round picks from 1995 to 2003. Those players are in the NHL. They were picked by somebody, and those players are in the NHL. Since '05, for the most part, we've tried to be conservative. I think it's part of the reason why we've got some younger players on the roster, some younger players coming through the system."

Holland was only looking to add an impact skater, such as Bouwmeester or Jagr, who went from Dallas to Boston.

"We didn't need depth players," he said. "We've got lots of depth. We've got lots of kids we think can come up and play. We were looking for a top-four D-man; we were looking for a top-six forward. Ultimately, we didn't get it done."

Part of what influenced the Wings was the belief that no trade could be better than getting back even just some of their players currently injured: forwards Darren Helm, Todd Bertuzzi and Mikael Samuelsson, and Quincey.

"Hopefully, we get some of our injured players back," Holland said. "In the meantime, there's been real good opportunity for our kids. I think they've done a good job."

This is an unusual season for the Wings; post-Nicklas Lidstrom, they find themselves far more focused on rebuilding than reloading. Rebuilding comes from within -- with high draft picks and through the development of prospects. The Wings believe they have a lot of good players either just arriving in the pipeline or soon to do so, such as Danny DeKeyser, Joakim Andersson, Gustav Nyquist, Tomas Tatar, Brian Lashoff and Petr Mrazek. There's also a realistic assessment that this 2013 team isn't a Stanley Cup contender and wasn't going to become one via what's available now. Management is much more comfortable making a move at the draft, if it comes down to that.

Update #8: Here's MLive's Ansar Khan's Holland story:

“We played (Monday) and there wasn’t (Henrik) Zetterberg, Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, Helm, (Kyle) Quincey,'' Holland said. “If we can get those five guys in the lineup (within) two weeks, I couldn’t do any better moves than (that). And if they don’t come back, it probably doesn’t matter what moves you make.''

He said he's not concerned about what competing clubs did to improve themselves.

“We’re trying to compete, we’re trying to rebuild, reload,'' Holland said. “You look at the moment in time. I can’t look at the moment in time. I have to look at what we’ve got and where I think we can go over the next few years, the age of the roster, who’s going to be here for a while.''

They are pleased with the progress of their young roster players and some of their prospects.

“You need your players,'' Holland said. “We’re happy with Jakub Kindl, we’re happy with Brian Lashoff, we’re happy with Brendan Smith. We’re happy with the way the kids have played. We don’t want to trade them away.''

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“If we need forwards, Riley Sheahan deserves a chance, Landon Ferraro, we’ve got Tomas Tatar, Gustav Nyquist, Joakim Andersson, Damien Brunner, certainly on defense with the signing of Danny DeKeyser and the play of Lashoff and Kindl we think the young kids could be real good depth players for us.''

Chicago and Anaheim have separated from the pack in the Western Conference. The Red Wings, currently seventh with 41 points, are just three points behind No. 3 Minnesota. But, they're also just four points up on 11th place Columbus.

“We’re trying to compete. We’re on the bubble,'' Holland said. “Would I have liked to do a deal? Yeah, I would have liked to do a deal.''

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SYF's avatar

:sadrofl:

Here’s hoping Nike and Andersson will be the next top dogs on the Wings top-six future.

Posted by SYF from The Revenge of Johnny E on 04/03/13 at 01:22 PM ET

torless's avatar

so first rounder for Quincey = appropriate cost?

Posted by torless on 04/03/13 at 01:24 PM ET

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Andersson

I don’t see Andersson as top six.  Not for a few years, at least.  I see him taking Emmertons job next year, assuming Helms career isn’t over.

Posted by MoreShoot on 04/03/13 at 01:27 PM ET

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Boourns.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 04/03/13 at 01:28 PM ET

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Filppula is batshit crazy if he thinks he’s worth 5 mil/yr. I don’t think he’s worth even the slightest raise.

Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI on 04/03/13 at 01:31 PM ET

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All debate aside.  Its getting boring never having anything to be excited about on deadline day.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 04/03/13 at 01:33 PM ET

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All debate aside.  Its getting boring never having anything to be excited about on deadline day.

Hey man, someone brought in really good donuts to the office today.  Even a couple of bear claws.

Posted by Django on 04/03/13 at 01:35 PM ET

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Well, now that that distraction is over Kenny needs to get to work on long term extensions for Clearly, Miller, Sammy, Bert, CC, and White. #GriffinsChamps2014

Posted by lancer on 04/03/13 at 01:35 PM ET

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Well, now that that distraction is over Kenny needs to get to work on long term extensions for Clearly, Miller, Sammy, Bert, CC, and White. #GriffinsChamps2014

Don’t forget that Fil contract with a huge raise and full NTC.

Posted by godblender on 04/03/13 at 01:40 PM ET

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Gaborik ends up going to CBJ for a pair of grinders.  I knew he could be had for very little.

Posted by MoreShoot on 04/03/13 at 01:56 PM ET

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Hey man, someone brought in really good donuts to the office today.  Even a couple of bear claws.

Posted by Django on 04/03/13 at 02:35 PM ET

Lol.  Well that explains Franzen’s problem!

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 04/03/13 at 01:59 PM ET

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There’s also a realistic assessment that this 2013 team isn’t a Stanley Cup contender and wasn’t going to become one via what’s available now. Management is much more comfortable making a move at the draft, if it comes down to that.

Can someone, anyone explain to me how this makes sense?

I have yet to see an explanation by anyone in Wings management, by the media, by bloggers, or by fans of how, for a team that is not making a Cup run, waiting until the draft to make trades is a smarter move than making them at the deadline.

This is a serious question. I’m not mad, I just don’t get it.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/03/13 at 02:01 PM ET

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I see him taking Emmertons job next year, assuming Helms career isn’t over.

Emmerton is holding Abdelkader’s spot until (if) the Wings get healthy.

Posted by Garth on 04/03/13 at 02:02 PM ET

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NHL Rumor Mill @NHLRumorMillcom
“@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Torres to San Jose for a third-round pick in 2013”

Posted by SYF from The Revenge of Johnny E on 04/03/13 at 02:02 PM ET

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This is a serious question. I’m not mad, I just don’t get it.

you’re not alone.  this whole “we’re not close enough to make any moves so that we’re closer” thing has been really bugging me.

how do you get to where you’re close if you don’t make any moves to get closer to being close?

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/03/13 at 02:09 PM ET

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If they are not contenders why hold on the 9 Defensemen and who knows how many Forwards?  UFAs will not go up in value after the playoffs. And unless they are part of the plan for 13-14 and 14-15 why keep them around for the next month and the 5 playoff games. the wings will probably play in.

Posted by lancer on 04/03/13 at 02:10 PM ET

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from a Freep article…

Not this year, not after using their 2012 first-rounder to acquire Kyle Quincey.

so in 2012 Quincey was worth a first round pick, but in 2013 Bouwmeester wasn’t?  come on.

basically…we screwed up and overpaid pick-wise last year, so this year we’re not going to get it right and pay a reasonable price for a good player?

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/03/13 at 02:12 PM ET

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They got close enough to kick the tires. It’s all that’s needed to… Suck?

Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI on 04/03/13 at 02:14 PM ET

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The frustration that started at the final horn of game 7 of the 2009 Stanley Cup Finals continues confused

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/03/13 at 02:14 PM ET

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Collecting a few extra 2nd and 3rd round picks to add to a package later on might be more helpful in aquiring that elusive “top six winger with size” and “top pairing D man”.

Posted by lancer on 04/03/13 at 02:16 PM ET

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maybe the upcoming contract talks will motivate Filpulla in the playoffs.

*looking high and low for some hope*

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/03/13 at 02:17 PM ET

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This is a serious question. I’m not mad, I just don’t get it.

Well, see, in the new CBA it stipulates that only teams who are one player away from being a true contender are allowed to acquire players at the deadline, and even then they’re only allowed to get rentals.

So this summer, if Holland wants to, he can pick up a guy who wouldn’t simply be a playoff rental, such as, oh, I don’t know, Marian Gaborik or Jason Pominville.

Also, since we all know that none of the rentals will be re-signed by their new teams (because who ever does that?), Detroit will be in a prime position to lose out to in the free agent frenzy to other teams with proactive GMs.

Posted by Garth on 04/03/13 at 02:20 PM ET

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Some guy at work compared today to Christmas.  I see his point.  Every year as a kid I would bolt down the stairs to see if Santa had brought me the BB gun I wanted only to find pajamas and underwear under the tree.

Posted by Colquhoun on 04/03/13 at 02:23 PM ET

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The same pajamas and underwear you have worn for the last 3 years.

Posted by lancer on 04/03/13 at 02:26 PM ET

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This is a serious question. I’m not mad, I just don’t get it.

I’ve explained this in detail before, so rather than going into the whole thing in detail again, here’s the Cliffs notes:

1) It is more asset-intensive to make deadline trade improvements than it is to make draft and/or FA improvements.

2) Deadline trade improvements are almost always shorter term ‘fixes’ than FA and/or draft improvements.

3) Deadline trade improvements are rarely substantive enough to vault a team from middle of the pack to legit favorite.

4) Deadline trade improvements are even less likely to outweigh the future cost of the lost assets.

Speaking broadly, the issue most people who don’t understand the larger strategy have is that they aren’t aware of how expensive deadline acquisitions are relative to the improvement they allegedly bring.  For instance:

so in 2012 Quincey was worth a first round pick, but in 2013 Bouwmeester wasn’t?  come on.

This is an excellent example.  Getting Quincey last year at the deadline was a stupid move.  It cost too much and brought too little back.  It was made because Holland a) thought the team was a little closer than it was and b) he was trying to fill in Lidstrom’s IT (not role, but literal IT).  I’m sure it galled Holland to have to let Quincey go years back, so ‘reclamation’ may have played some role, but still.  It was a bad move.

An insightful way to look at this would be to realize that if the point is winning a Cup, just moving up from the 12th or 13th best team in the NHL to the 7th or 8th best team in the NHL isn’t worth multiple high picks and/or prospects.  It’s just not.  This is why moving for a much more expensive (both in terms of assets and in terms of cap) although somewhat better Quincey is just a larger version of the stupid trade Holland shouldn’t have made last year.

Here’s an example:  If you were a sprinter, how many years off your life would you trade to finish 3rd in a race and getting a bronze instead of finishing 5th or 6th in a race of 12?  Not many, right?  On the other hand, how many years off your life would you trade to finish 1st instead of 3rd or 4th?  More, right?

Same deal.  The closer you are to being at teh top of the heap, the more sense it makes to spend the assets to nudge yourself that last little bit further.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/03/13 at 02:27 PM ET

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Posted by lancer on 04/03/13 at 03:26 PM ET

Good one?

Posted by Colquhoun on 04/03/13 at 02:30 PM ET

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Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/03/13 at 03:12 PM ET

So because Holland made a dumb trade last year shipping out a first rounder for an overpaid defenseman, he should’ve made another dumb trade this year trading a first rounder for an overpaid defenseman?

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 04/03/13 at 02:33 PM ET

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What a joke, the usual bullshit.  Prices too high?  Not a Cup contender?  why not start unloading some guys.  Teams like San Jose managed to subtract dead weight and then add guys, Holland couldn’t do that?  This GM has no plan or clue, simple as that.  If he did he would have been a buyer or seller.

Posted by bababooey on 04/03/13 at 02:34 PM ET

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Excellent. We still have our first round pick. Now if the fellas can just manage a wee three to four game losing streak, that should put the team in 11th or 12th and safely into the draft lottery. Edmonton and the BJ’s are rolling, so it is possible. That four game stretch of vs. StL, vs. SJ, @ Chi and @ Nas could do it.

Suck For Seth!

To bad we can’t combine what we have to make a great player mad scienstist style. Buckets’ work ethic + Helm’s speed + Flip’s raw puck skill = One good winger for Pavel.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 04/03/13 at 02:36 PM ET

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If you were a sprinter, how many years off your life would you trade to finish 3rd in a race and getting a bronze instead of finishing 5th or 6th in a race of 12?  Not many, right?  On the other hand, how many years off your life would you trade to finish 1st instead of 3rd or 4th?  More, right?

so how do you go from 5th/6th to 1st place, if you don’t first get to 3rd/4th?

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/03/13 at 02:37 PM ET

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Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 04/03/13 at 03:33 PM ET

Here’s a crazy thought: Holland could’ve made a good trade.

Posted by Garth on 04/03/13 at 02:38 PM ET

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Posted by bababooey on 04/03/13 at 03:34 PM ET

He’s got a plan and a philosophy. We just don’t like either one, but they do exist. Everyone seems to agree we are more than 1-2 players away. So why not be a seller at the deadline for a change? That’s what drives me crazy. Now Flip is going to leave as a UFA and the Wings get zip, zero, nada. Way to go, Kenneth.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 04/03/13 at 02:39 PM ET

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The closer you are to being at teh top of the heap, the more sense it makes to spend the assets to nudge yourself that last little bit further.

Good point.  But how does one get closer to the top of the heap?  By letting your team get slowly decline?  That doesn’t seem right…

Posted by Garth on 04/03/13 at 02:40 PM ET

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Here’s an example:  If you were a sprinter, how many years off your life would you trade to finish 3rd in a race and getting a bronze instead of finishing 5th or 6th in a race of 12?  Not many, right?  On the other hand, how many years off your life would you trade to finish 1st instead of 3rd or 4th?  More, right?

Same deal.  The closer you are to being at teh top of the heap, the more sense it makes to spend the assets to nudge yourself that last little bit further.

Your analogy might make sense if fans were clamoring for Holland to be a buyer at the deadline.  Most fans understand why he wasn’t a buyer, the question I have is why he was not a seller?  Why not unload guys you know are not going to be here in September?  We have seen this before, Holland will spend most of the summer wringing his hands with worry on re-signing Filpula while the rest of the ufa’s get signed, or traded for.  Holland does not have the stones to trade guys away, he is too close to his players, too close to his team.  It is an insult to suggest this team is better off with Bertuzzi and his wonky back, Samuelsson and Colaivoco coming back.  And to the people who think that Samuelsson will be bought out?  Dream on, he is here for the rest of his contract.

Posted by bababooey on 04/03/13 at 02:41 PM ET

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The veteran winger (Pomminville) instantly became a top producer for the Sabres, hand has topped 20 goals a season in six straight years and currently has 10 goals and 25 points in 37 games in 2013.

how many draft picks do you use up in a draft hoping ONE OF THEM might be this level of defenseman?

half a dozen?  so what’s wrong with just trading a couple of the draft picks and a couple prospects for the PROVEN COMMODITY?

a bird in the hand, and all that…

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/03/13 at 02:41 PM ET

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Wow, even the Columbus has a better GM than us now.

Everyone else gets players and assets, we get excuses and dead weight.  Cant wait for Fil to get 5mil/per for 7 years so we continue with this “steady trajectory”.

Posted by Hootinani on 04/03/13 at 02:42 PM ET

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Everyone else gets players and assets, we get excuses and dead weight.  Cant wait for Fil to get 5mil/per for 7 years so we continue with this “steady trajectory”.
Posted by Hootinani on 04/03/13 at 03:42 PM ET

I’ll be annoyed if he walks for nothing and pissed off if he gets a Franzen contract.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/03/13 at 02:48 PM ET

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Posted by Garth on 04/03/13 at 03:38 PM ET

What specific potential deal are you suggesting?  I see a lot of complaints, but not a lot of well-thought out, specific ideas.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 04/03/13 at 02:50 PM ET

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Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/03/13 at 03:48 PM ET

I have a feeling you are going to be annoyed this summer.

Posted by Django on 04/03/13 at 02:51 PM ET

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Detroit Red Wings Trade Deadline 2013, Instagram style:

What we wanted:

What we got:

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 04/03/13 at 02:52 PM ET

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