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Some Ken Holland And Mike Babcock Talk

from Ken Campbell of The Hockey News,

These are interesting times for the Detroit Red Wings. They’re coming off a season in which they just made the playoffs after moving to the far inferior Eastern Conference, went 0-for-everyone in free agency and have a mix of wobbly veterans and kids that could well see their run of 23 straight seasons in the playoffs come to an end.

Head coach Mike Babcock, who has one year left on his contract and would be the biggest free agent on the market next summer if he got there, said recently that he won’t negotiate a contract extension during the 2014-15 season.

Adding another layer to the intrigue is the status of GM Ken Holland. Both he and Babcock are inextricably linked. In fact, Babcock has said in the past he wants to wait to see what Holland’s status will be before addressing his own.

Like Babcock, Holland has one year left on his contract with the Red Wings. But there is also an option year on the contract, one which Red Wings senior vice-president Jim Devellano recently told me is essentially Holland’s. There is some dispute about this, since it has been reported it is a team option. But I’ll go with Devellano on this one.

Devellano said he and Holland have been talking about an extension for Holland for some time now, most recently as early as last Sunday night. And while talks have been exploratory, Devellano is confident the Red Wings will get Holland under contract. “One thing is sure,” Devellano said. “We’ll do what’s best for Ken Holland.”

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WingFanFormerlyInLA's avatar

They’re waiting to hear what Daniel Alfredsson’s plans are and must re-sign restricted free agents Danny DeKeyser and Tomas Tatar as well as find replacements for Todd Bertuzzi and Mikael Samuelsson. And that’s about it.

What the hell is he talking about?  We are already at 14 forwards.  We are not replacing Bert and Sammy, they are being removed from the IR list. 

Misunderstanding something as basic as that makes me feel he really doesn’t appreciated the reason for the fans’ ire.  This team has done the bare minimum to maintain a playoff level team that has no hope of competing for a Cup the past few seasons.  The obsession with loyalty has handcuffed the team to players (and ex-players) to the detriment of actually competing. 

Now, do I think Holland will be let go?  No, but I do think Babs is leaving after this season.

Posted by WingFanFormerlyInLA on 07/16/14 at 10:56 AM ET

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Unfortunate readying this article, considering a good portion of diehard Wings fans really don’t want Holland as GM next year or any year after that…

Posted by Pasha1277 on 07/16/14 at 11:04 AM ET

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my problem with this is Devellano saying that the wings will “do whats best for Ken Holland”
wtf
why not whats best for the wings?
KH and the wings are not the same thing.

Posted by akwingsfan on 07/16/14 at 11:06 AM ET

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So Babcock wants to wait around to see what the status of Holland is. That flies in the face of the logic put forth by some last season that Babs was a mere victim of Holland’s ham-fisted approach the last couple years

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 07/16/14 at 11:07 AM ET

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“One thing is sure,” Devellano said. “We’ll do what’s best for Ken Holland.”

I hope this isn’t as ominous or misguided as it reads.  But maybe it’s another indication of the loyalty concept at the core of this franchise, which has served well in the past but may have grown out of hand and become dangerous, like The Blob.

What the hell is he talking about?  We are already at 14 forwards.  We are not replacing Bert and Sammy
Posted by WingFanFormerlyInLA on 07/16/14 at 11:56 AM ET

Indeed.  Writers aren’t always well informed or experts just because of the publication they work for.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/16/14 at 11:17 AM ET

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Babs will play out the one year and go. Blashill is next in line. It makes sense considering all the contract situations. Babs appreciates Holland but the 2 are not a package deal. He probably seek out a team with an established roster.

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 07/16/14 at 12:56 PM ET

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my problem with this is Devellano saying that the wings will “do whats best for Ken Holland”
wtf
why not whats best for the wings?

Posted by akwingsfan

Beat me to it. If the organ-I-zation’s main concern is what’s best for Holland, then the disappointments of this summer won’t be the last ones we’ll have to endure.

 

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 07/16/14 at 01:18 PM ET

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my problem with this is Devellano saying that the wings will “do whats best for Ken Holland”
wtf
why not whats best for the wings?
KH and the wings are not the same thing.

Posted by akwingsfan on 07/16/14 at 12:06 PM ET


I don’t know what to think. I do know Jimmy-D knows how to build great Teams, and find the right personnel to manage. He is also Senior Vice President of the Tigers as well as the Wings.  Maybe his plate is too full.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/16/14 at 01:31 PM ET

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Babs will play out the one year and go. Blashill is next in line. It makes sense considering all the contract situations

A friend who was at the NHL draft said the scuttlebut all around was Babs doing one more year with the Wings, then shuffling off to possibly Toronto, FWIW

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 07/16/14 at 01:44 PM ET

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So the Red Wings will do what’s best for Ken Holland.  We knew they would.  The question should be, why isn’t Ken Holland doing what’s best for the Red Wings?

Posted by jkm2011 on 07/16/14 at 01:58 PM ET

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The Wings will do what’s best for Ken Holland and Ken Holland will do what’s best for Dan Cleary at the expense of the youth.  And no one can figure out why no one wants to play here?

Posted by bababooey on 07/16/14 at 02:02 PM ET

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Sign me up KH. A GM that keeps players b/c they’re loyal & hard-working, despite the fact they suck? Who wouldn’t want to come here?

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 07/16/14 at 02:27 PM ET

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This team has done the bare minimum to maintain a playoff level team that has no hope of competing for a Cup the past few seasons.

Yeah, getting Daniel Alfredsson for a year at 5 mil and Weiss for almost 25 over 5.

Locked up Howard for 5 years and 26+, even though the cheaper (and easier) thing to do would have been to let him walk and go with Mrazek.

Has so many prospects in the system fans can’t decide which of them not being able to get on the roster immediately makes them angrier.

Bare minimum.  Hardly lifted a finger, that darn Holland.

The Wings will do what’s best for Ken Holland and Ken Holland will do what’s best for Dan Cleary at the expense of the youth.

Now signing one forward to a one year deal effects ‘the youth’?  Like, all development of young players is impacted by one guy signed to a [one year deal who hasn’t even made the roster out of camp yet?

The only guy who might get marginally impacted by Cleary is Jurco… and what, exactly, has Jurco done to merit automatic enshrinement into Detroit’s NHL roster outside of not spelling his name D-a-n C-l-e-a-r-y?  Two years ago he was a 28 point in 74 game player in the AHL.  Last year he was a ppg player in limited time… and by way of comparison Cory Emmerton was a .87 ppg player.  Then he came up to Detroit and was well under a half ppg player in addition to being nothing resembling a 2 way forward.

Another year in the AHL isn’t going to hurt that kid one bit.

 

Posted by HockeyinHD on 07/16/14 at 02:35 PM ET

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Another year in the AHL isn’t going to hurt that kid one bit.

I think Jurco did in fact earn his spot on the team.

But while I’d like to see Jurco on the opening night roster, I also think what you say above is obviously correct. This idea that a few months in the AHL is going to “stunt” a players development is absurd. People were making that argument about Nyquist when he got sent down, that sending him down was going to hurt his development in some way. I’d say his second half of the season not only disproved that absurdity, but perhaps it was being sent down in the first place that lit such a hot fire under his ass? Jurco is three years younger than Gus. If Cleary is somehow magically healthy, having him in over Jurco isn’t going to really affect the team’s playoff chances that much and top line minutes under Blash sure isn’t going to hurt Jurco any. It’s why, while I absolutely agree with everyone that Cleary does not “deserve” to be on this roster and I was absolutely a little deflated when I heard Holland had in fact made that promise to him, the overblown reactions to it are completely ignoring the ACTUAL potential consequences (and I think this is why Holland does think it’s worthwhile to be loyal in this situation despite the fans. He knows it just doesn’t hurt them much.) It’s just not that big of a deal. If Cleary’s hurt or sucks bad enough, Jurco WILL take his place. The team more than proved that last year. Cleary will probably get the first shot, but if he doesn’t bring it, he will be replaced by a kid for sure. And Jurco’s going to be fine either way.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/16/14 at 02:56 PM ET

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New day, same old BS from the comments. Give it a rest already.

You play a couple of seasons of EA Sports NHL and you think you know what it takes to run an organization. These kids don’t have overall attributes attached to their profile. They need to learn and grow and a lot of patience. With that you need to sign players that you know exactly how they are going to play if they are healthy. They know what Cleary brings to the table. They know how he performs when it’s late in the game and the pressure is on. They know he will give everything he has to his teammates. Why is that so hard to understand? I’m supporting Cleary as long as he puts on the sweater.

Stop falling off the goddamn bandwagon.

Posted by weswolverine on 07/16/14 at 03:00 PM ET

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Now signing one forward to a one year deal effects ‘the youth’?  Like, all development of young players is impacted by one guy signed to a [one year deal who hasn’t even made the roster out of camp yet?

You around last year, or have you just joined?  I believe you were the few who said that Nyquist would not be impacted by the signing of Cleary, it was just “one year” etc..etc.. etc..last year.  What has Jurco done?  Not much yet, but we know that Cleary is done, so why not see what Jurco has before we go signing stiffs in his place.  It’s funny, the Holland defense team’s biggest point is how great our drafts have been and our farm system is so stocked.  So why doesn’t he play them instead of signing re-treads like Cleary and Quincey?

Posted by bababooey on 07/16/14 at 03:02 PM ET

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Gentlemen, I’d like to get your opinion on my comments from the overnight report. That discussion is more about the comments section, so I’m going to re-post here to the more relevant discussion:

re: Shanahan-

  “A goal of ours was to leave some holes and create some competition,” team president Brendan Shanahan said of his team’s NHL roster last week at the Leafs development camp. “We want our young players, some of the guys that are out here at this camp, some of the guys that finished the year with the Marlies, to have job opportunities.

  “We want to have competition, we want to create that internal pressure and [the idea] that there are jobs to be had here.”

Remember when Scotty was here and there was always a rookie fighting another rookie or sophomore for at least one if not multiple spots on the roster?

Off the top of my head:

Holmstrom, Ward, Pusher, A. Ericsson, Dandenault, Knuble (‘95-‘98)

Fisher, Datsyuk, Williams (‘99-‘02)

Zetterberg (‘03) - yeah, post Scotty, but Lewis kept this philosophy

Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Kronwall (‘05-‘06) - Scotty as advisor

Scotty left room for kids to break into the roster. The 13th forward and 7th defenseman were almost always a kid.

For some reason Holland has gotten used to overbuilding the roster the last few years (worried about injuries in camp and the preseason), and it’s made it next to impossible for the kids to break through to the point that Tatar spoke out (good for him, somebody had to). Scotty didn’t overbuild, these are very different philosophies. Scotty was willing to go with youth to start the season and looking for vets via trade when needed. It’s time the Wings got back to that, now that the farm has been restocked. The point of the farm is to have players that make the team and players that are traded to other teams. Dombrowski laid it out when he came to town: one third make the team, one third are trade bait, and one third don’t make it.

It seems the problem did start when Holland’s mentor left to join his son in Chicago. That’s when the overbuilding with vets to start the season began.

Posted by Bradley97 on 07/16/14 at 03:06 PM ET

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and what, exactly, has Jurco done to merit automatic enshrinement into Detroit’s NHL roster outside of not spelling his name D-a-n C-l-e-a-r-y?

He can stand on his skates without falling over. That’s kind of a big deal.

With that you need to sign players that you know exactly how they are going to play if they are healthy. They know what Cleary brings to the table.

You’re exactly right. With Cleary they know that they get an aging, injury-riddled forward with no speed and very little skill. Which, I believe, is probably why most fans aren’t supportive of his resigning.

Posted by godblender on 07/16/14 at 03:10 PM ET

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I think that is a fair assessment Bradley. 

My issue with Holland this season (and the past couple really) isn’t one single signing, it’s all the pieces together.  Once they sign Aflie (you know they are going to), it’s basically the same roster as last season.  That isn’t good enough to come close to competing for the Cup, nor are we getting any seasoning for a number of prospective forwards, defensemen or our goalie in waiting.  In fact, we’ll just push back Jurco and let some prospects go that are no longer waiver exempt.

For what?  Getting to the playoffs for the 24th year and getting jail sexed in the first round again?  I’d rather take a chance on a couple of younger players even if it cost us a playoff spot.

Posted by WingFanFormerlyInLA on 07/16/14 at 10:20 PM ET

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