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So the Red Wings have lost out on Suter and Parise. What will they do now?

Updated 4x at 4:28 PM: If you’ve been following the updates to the Ryan Suter and Zach Parise to the Wild post, you know by now that the Red Wings were at least in Ryan Suter’s final three teams, and that their contract offer to Suter was very competitive, but in terms of both money and interest, Parise wasn’t interested in coming to Detroit, and you know from the Free Press’s Helene St. James that the Wings sure as hell aren’t going to trade Valtteri Filppula, Johan Franzen, Brendan Smith, Gustav Nyquist AND multiple first-round picks to the Columbus Blue Jackets for Rick Nash.

So where do the Red Wings go from here? They’ve lost out on Suter and Parise, the team rather desperately needs to add a top-pair defenseman, and while Ken Holland told the Free Press’s St. James that he understood why the players made their decisions…

“Personally, I’m very disappointed, but I’m a realist,” general manager Ken Holland said of losing Suter. “We were down to the short strokes. His wife is from Minny, grandparents are nearby. We lost out to family. Can’t beat family.”

Suter said the Wings “were right there till the end.”

The Wings made a 13 year, $90 million offer to Suter, who they saw as the best option to transition from a defense that has lost Nicklas Lidstrom and Brad Stuart this off-season. Suter signed 13 years, $98 million, an average cap hit of $7.5 million. Parise signed for the same amount, and the Wings weren’t close to that money, as they didn’t want to pay that high of an average salary for Parise.

The Wild now have $35 million - half of the $70.2 million salary cap - tied up in five players in Suter, Parise, Dany Heatley, Mikko Koivu and goaltender Niklas Backstrom. Parise, who is from Minnesota, said “when it came down to it, it was between New Jersey and Minnesota. Being around family had a big impact.”

But what do the Wings do next?

With Suter off the market, the next-best options are defensemen Matt Carle and Carlo Colaiacovo. The Wings made a two-year offer to Sami Salo on Sunday, but he ended up signing with Tampa Bay. Carle, 27, isn’t a great shut-down guy, but he’s reliable in his own end and has topped 30 assists in each of his last two seasons. He’s coming off a four-year, $13.750 million contract (average salary cap of $3.4 million), and, though it’d be a high price to pay, given the dearth of quality defensemen available this summer he probably will command $5 million a season. Colaiacovo, 29, could be had for less money (he is coming off a three-year contract with an average salary cap hit of $2.125 million), but he’s a risk as he’s been fairly injury prone, missing more than 50 games over the past three seasons with various ailments. He’s got decent offensive skills, which could be further developed from playing in Detroit’s system, but it’s doubtful the Wings would want to commit much term to him.

The other possible route is to trade for someone. Right now, there are five defensemen under contract for next season, headlined by Niklas Kronwall. The others are Jonathan Ericsson, Ian White, Brendan Smith and Jakub Kindl, and the team is working on re-signing restricted free agent Kyle Quincey.

Kronwall is a bonafide top-four guy who is good in all areas. The Wings will keep pushing Ericsson to become a shut-down defenseman. Ian White’s production dropped off last season after he lost Lidstrom as a partner, but he’s pretty solid overall. Smith is considered a high-end talent, and will be expected to push for a top-four role. He’s a smart, puck-moving defenseman, albeit prone to risky maneuvers as he’s still adjusting to NHL level.

Kindl has been the seventh guy now for a while, and this is his make-or-break season, as he’s in the last year of a contract. Quincey was acquired around the trade deadline, and while he struggled to adjust, the Wings are hoping he’ll have a bounce-back season after being with the team from training camp.

The Detroit News’s Ted Kulfan offers the following set of targets...

FREE AGENTS

Shane Doan, Phoenix, center: Fine power forward who would fill a need, but is waiting to see how the Coyotes’ ownership situation is resolved. He never has shown inclination to leave Phoenix throughout his long career.

Alex Semin, Washington, left wing: Has top-end offensive skills and displayed chemistry with Pavel Datsyuk at the recent world championships, but has been criticized for lack of effort and inconsistency.

Matt Carle, Philadelphia, defense: Mobile defenseman played all 82 games with the Flyers last season with four goals and 34 assists while averaging 23 minutes. Will be heavily pursued by teams now with Suter off the market.

TRADES

Rick Nash, Columbus, right wing: One of the premier power forwards in the game, Nash scored 30 goals last season and has scored as many as 41 in his career. But would the Blue Jackets trade within the division? Doubtful.

Bobby Ryan, Anaheim, right wing: For some reason the Ducks continue to shop the young 31-goal scorer who has a manageable cap number ($5.1 million) and is in demand by many teams.

Jay Bouwmeester, Calgary, defense: The Flames could be in the need to drop a salary or two, and Bouwmeester and his $6.68 salary cap number may be expendable. Averaged almost 26 minutes, plays well defensively, never has been a big offensive force.

Keith Yandle, Phoenix, defense: The Wings and several other teams had discussions at the draft about this offensive defenseman (32 assists, 43 points).

And he spoke to Ken Holland at some length about the team’s plans. Regarding the team’s offers to both players…

“Family was important,” Wings general manager Ken Holland said Wednesday. “Suter’s wife is from Minnesota, Parise is from there, grandparents are from there. We were satisfied with our offers. I know family was important.”

The Wings made their offers for Suter and Parise on Sunday, the day NHL free agency began. On Tuesday, Holland, owner Mike Ilitch, coach Mike Babcock and Chris Chelios, special advisor to hockey operations, traveled to Madison, Wis., to meet with Suter. They didn’t have an opportunity to meet with Parise. Holland said Suter’s representatives told him the Wings were on a “very short list.” Holland added the Wings also were among Parise’s final candidates.

“I was very satisfied with our offers, they were very competitive offers,” Holland said. “We feel good about our offers. Certainly in the Suter negotiation, we made an initial offer July 1. I talked to his agent July 2 and we adjusted our offer up. And we had an opportunity yesterday to fly in and meet with Ryan Suter and his agent. In the Zach Parise negotiation we made an offer on July 1. We were on occasion told we were on a short list, and ultimately got news today that Zach Parise was going elsewhere. Again, we feel good about the offer we made. There’s other teams than us that were in the hunt that made significant offers. We feel good about what we tried to accomplish.”

And now?

So what do the Wings do next? Holland said they’ll look over the free agent and trade markets, with their pursuit of Suter and Parise unsuccessful.

“You take a step back and explore what is available,” said Holland, who doesn’t expect to rush into a decision.

A defenseman will be a key priority. The Wings need a veteran to replace Nicklas Lidstrom, who retired in June.

“We’ve got all summer now,” Holland said. “The market has been combed over pretty good. We’ll explore trades. We’re happy that we got the guys that we did on July 1 (F Mikael Samuelsson, F Jordin Tootoo, F Damien Brunner, G Jonas Gustavsson).”

Holland added: “Part of this might be that we might have to go with some kids that we think are ready.”

The Red Wings obviously had multiple plans of action in place, and now they have to act upon them. Holland and the Wings’ front office’s collective mettle will be tested to the breaking point, and this team cannot afford to continue making lateral moves. I certainly hope that the team doesn’t “take a step back” and sit on its ass while players like Carle and Semin go elsewhere…

But we could be in for a long wait as the other teams in the running for Suter and Parise may take the same tack that the Wings seem to be inclined to pursue.

Also of brief Wings-related note this afternoon:

• The Edmonton Examiner’s Trevor Robb..Okay, this is a repeat of an Edmonton Sun article, but it’s worth revisiting:

Taking in the scene at West Edmonton Mall’s Ice Palace on Tuesday, you’d almost swear you had stepped back in time. The Brick Invitational super novice tournament was well underway and the game featured the Detroit Red Wings versus Toronto Pro Hockey, with both teams donning retro NHL-style uniforms. And out from the Red Wings bench skated No. 33, with ‘Draper’ on the nameplate.

Sure enough, that was Kris Draper coaching behind the Detroit bench. But the little Draper out on the ice was his 10-year-old son, Kienan. For Draper Sr., who spent 22 seasons playing over 1,000 NHL games with the Red Wings, there has never been a prouder moment than watching his son don the red and white.

“It’s pretty special to see my son throw on the No. 33 Red Wings jersey,” says Draper. “Right now I’m a really proud dad. To be able to coach my son and be out there on the bench and share this with him is very special.”

This is only Draper’s second season coaching with the Little Ceasars AAA hockey club, the Red Wings’ parent organization, but from Day 1 he has hearing all about the Brick Tournament in Edmonton.

“When I started coaching with Little Ceasars I started hearing about this Brick tournament and I looked it up online and was really fascinated by it,” said Draper. “This whole event is something that we’ve been looking forward to all year.”

• The New England Hockey Journal’s Jesse Connolly has the details of Max Nicastro’s entry-level deal with the Wings…

After being cleared of assault charges a little over a month ago, Max Nicastro’s friends and former teammates expressed hope that he could move on with his life and his hockey career.

The former BU defenseman took a big step toward doing that on Tuesday. Nicastro inked a two-year, entry-level contract with the Detroit Red Wings. He’ll earn $612,500 in the NHL or $65,000 in the AHL with Detroit’s minor-league affiliate, the Grand Rapids Griffins.

Nicastro, 22, was suspended from the team midway through his junior season after a female student alleged he sexually assaulted her. Two days after being suspended, he reportedly was no longer enrolled at the school.

The California native played in 102 games during his tenure with the Terriers, during which he had 11 goals and 22 assists for a total of 33 points.

Detroit selected Nicastro 91st overall back in 2008 after his first of two seasons with the USHL’s Chicago Steel.

• And some kid named Adam Lidstrom posted a picture on Twitter:

Just posted a photo http://instagr.am/p/Mq4u6uJnNZ/


Update: Two things:

1. I am not going to cover the Wild, Predators, Penguins or Devils’ reactions to what happened in any sort of detail. These players did not come to Detroit, and we know the basic details as to why they didn’t choose the Wings. I want to leave it at that;

2. And please do not be uncivil with each other. We will disagree regarding whether Suter or Parise were “right” or “wrong” to take the time they took to make their decisions, whether those decisions are “right” or “wrong,” and we will most certainly disagree as to “what the Red Wings need to do” to remain a contending team. Please remember that people are allowed to vent and that many Wings fans have every right to be frustrated and angry, but please keep it polite and steer away from personal attacks.

Content update #1: The Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness is getting his Holland quotes together…

#redwings GM Ken Holland: I’m disappointed we didn’t get Sutter.
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#redwings GM Ken Holland: There are no more Suters or Parises on the market

And Fox Sports Detroit’s Art Regner ponders what’s next:

It’s not a secret that Suter was on Detroit’s radar for the last couple of years, and his has to be a catastrophic blow, not only to the on-ice product but to the Red Wings’ collective ego.

Whatever the Wings do next, you can bet that owner Mike Ilitch will demand that it be big. Rick Nash, Bobby Ryan or one of the 12 apostles, it’ll be something that will re-energize Hockeytown. Expect the Wings to go after unrestricted free-agent forward Alexander Semin with the hope that Pavel Datsyuk will be able to reel in the extremely talented, but totally enigmatic forward.

Unrestricted free-agent forward Shane Doan would be a great addition, and the Wings will pursue him. However, he’s the most popular athlete in Phoenix, and I don’t see him leaving the desert. One of Doan’s teammates, Keith Yandle, is a strong trade possibility. Yandle, 25, is 6-foot-1 and 190 pounds with a high skill set. He would fit into the Wings’ attacking style. You have to believe that whatever the Coyotes are asking for Yandle, Detroit’s situation might make almost everybody in the organization available.

Calgary’s Jay Bouwmeester could also be had in a trade, but he’s been labeled an underachiever who doesn’t play as big as he is, 6-foot-4, 212 pounds.  Even though the Red Wings need a solid, top-four defenseman, Bouwmeester might not be worth the risk. Still, he’s a quality player who could be a last resort. 

As far as the rest of the unrestricted free-agent defensemen go, it’s slim pickings if you’re looking for a top-four guy. Matt Carle is out there, but the Wings aren’t sold on him—although that was yesterday and Suter’s gone.  They could sign the likes of a Scott Hannan, Sean O’Donnell or Michal Rozsival. All of them would provide a veteran to stabilize the defense, but like most of what’s left, their better days are behind them.

If there is a wild card in all of this, it could be restricted free-agent defenseman Shea Weber. No, Detroit will not sign him to an offer sheet, and it’s a given that Nashville will try to sign their restricted free-agent captain to a long-term deal. But if Weber publicly comes out and says he’s one-and-done in Nashville or demands a trade, the Wings would give up the farm to land him. Again, it’s all up to Weber, how he reacts to the Suter signing could impact the Red Wings—although it’s a bit of a reach.

No, Art, they won’t.

Update #2: So sayeth MLive’s Ansar Khan:

The Red Wings have holes to fill. They lost two top-four defensemen, Nicklas Lidstrom (retirement) and Brad Stuart (San Jose). Top prospect Brendan Smith will fill one spot, but they need a top pair defenseman. They also need a goal-scorer. Mikael Samuelsson essentially replaces Jiri Hudler (Calgary), but they need a high-end forward.

The Red Wings want star power. They have Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg, but they would covert another big-name player or two. They want to create a buzz, re-energize their fan base following three consecutive early playoff exits. And they want to sell tickets. The problem is, there aren’t many stars out there.

Amongst his picks, up front…

Alexander Semin, Washington – By far the most talented unrestricted free agent still available. He has many elements the Red Wings are seeking (goal-scoring, size, right-hand shot) and might fit well on a line with fellow Russian Datsyuk. However, the Red Wings have serious concerns about his commitment and work ethic. Will his motivation further deteriorate after signing a long-term deal? It’s doubtful he would accept a short-term contract when he can cash in big.

Shane Doan, Phoenix – The power forward’s agent has called the Red Wings several times the past couple of days, seeking an offer, and with Parise off the market, Detroit will make a pitch for Doan. However, Doan has stated he won’t decide until Monday if he will leave Phoenix, where he has played since 1996. His main concern is whether the team will relocate in 2013-14 due to the unstable ownership situation.

Rick Nash, Columbus – The Red Wings have inquired about what it would take to land this big, talented star. He has a short list of teams he would approve a trade to – the New York Rangers, Philadelphia, San Jose and Detroit are among the clubs reported to be on it. But the Blue Jackets would be hesitant to deal him to the rival Red Wings. Detroit’s offer would have to be substantially better than any other team’s. Having struck out on Suter and Parise, might the Red Wings up their ante for Nash?

Bobby Ryan, Anaheim – Like Nash, Ryan is another immensely talented offensive player that any team would desire. At 25, he’s three years younger than Nash, and his cap hit ($5.1 million for the next three seasons) is more palatable than Nash’s ($7.8 million for the next six seasons). But, like Nash, it would take a lot to land him and Detroit might not have the assets.

And on defense:

Matt Carle, Philadelphia – He is the only free-agent defenseman remaining who had more than 20 points in 2011-12 (38). He’s a decent two-way player who can log a lot of minutes, but he won’t put up huge offensive numbers and he’s somewhat soft. Are the Red Wings prepared to offer him a long-term deal worth around $5 million a season? Chances are, Carle returns to the Flyers.

Keith Yandle, Phoenix – The Coyotes were shopping this skilled defenseman at the draft and spoke to the Red Wings, who weren’t prepared to deal because they thought they might get Suter. Expect trade talks to pick up. But teams that missed out on Suter might drive up the cost for Yandle.

Carlo Colaiacovo, St. Louis – He’s an under-the-radar guy, a good skater who moves the puck well. But he’s injury-prone. The Red Wings have talked about him, but he’s not a top-pair defenseman and probably not someone you’d risk signing to a long-term deal.

Shea Weber, Nashville – Red Wings general manager Ken Holland, like most general managers, don’t like sending offer sheets to restricted free agents. Would he make an exception for Weber, after losing out on Suter? It’s doubtful. The Predators, stinging from Suter’s departure, are sure to match any offer Weber receives, no matter how big. Nashville might look to trade Weber if it can’t sign him long-term. Detroit would have to pay a premium to convince the Predators to deal him within the division. Teams might be better off hoping Weber signs for one year in Nashville and becomes an unrestricted free agent next summer.

Jay Bouwmeester, Calgary – He makes $6.68 million in each of the next two seasons. That’s a lot of money for a player whose offensive game has been in decline the past three years.

Update #3: Here’s what ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun thinks will happen for each and every one of the teams Suter and Parise spurned:

For Nashville, it means trying to replace Suter on the blue line but more importantly, convincing captain Shea Weber (an RFA) to sign long-term despite Suter’s exit. That’s not going to be easy. And if Weber balks at a long-term extension this summer, Poile has no choice as far as I’m concerned: trade his rights. Here’s hoping Poile can convince Weber to stay. The Predators, a well-organized franchise that does things the right way, deserve a break.

Meanwhile, with the Big 2 finally signing, here comes the domino effect.

Purposely waiting on Parise to sign, the Columbus Blue Jackets will step up efforts to deal Rick Nash, and the Anaheim Ducks will also circle back to jilted Parise suitors and ask them how they feel about Bobby Ryan.

The New York Rangers, Pittsburgh, Detroit, San Jose, Philadelphia and Carolina, according to sources, all have interest in Nash, who controls his fate via a no-movement clause.

Ryan is a cheaper cap hit, so my guess is the Ducks will call some of those same teams and see if there’s a fit, as well.

Update #4 I missed this, but SB Nation Detroit’s Sean Yuille didn’t. Per Yahoo Sports’ Dmitry Chesnokov:

As @thefourthperiod mentioned, the Wings are making inquiries about Semin.

The Detroit News’s Ted Kulfan disagrees:

I’d be surprised if they go after Semin…I just don’‘t think he’s Wings’ type of player.
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Doan….he’s not going to leave PHX…after all these years.

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IwoCPO's avatar

The Detroit News’s Ted Kulfan disagrees:

I’d be surprised if they go after Semin…I just don’‘t think he’s Wings’ type of player.

Huh. Weird.  Because on June 27th? Teddy had Semin as the number 3 UFA on the Wings’ list.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120627/SPORTS0103/206270331

3. Alexander Semin

Position: Forward

Team: Washington

Stats: 21 goals, 33 assists

2011-12 cap hit: $6.7 million

Comment: If the Red Wings can’t sign Parise, Semin could be a fallback. Semin didn’t have the greatest season, and he was a little spotty in the playoffs. He did have nice chemistry with Pavel Datsyuk in the World Championships. Still, signing a long-term deal with Semin could be a gamble.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 07/04/12 at 06:42 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

but his numbers were right up there, 21-33-54.

Actually, in a sane world those aren’t that great for $6.7M, as he didn’t PK at all.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/04/12 at 06:42 PM ET

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iekQK0IMw78

One of my favorite Suter memories. Hopefully Pav can undress him like that again in Minny.

Posted by socalwingnut on 07/04/12 at 06:42 PM ET

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I’d totally take a whirl at Semin. Him and Datsyuk really could be lethal.
But again, that does little to fill our true hole.

Where has Lids been in all this anyway? I’m not saying things would have been different if he had been on that plane yesterday, in fact, they almost certainly wouldn’t, but after seeing Gretsky bend over backward to get Schultz to Edmonton, I’d think Lids would take at least some interest in trying to replace himself. Especially when you give the team no heads up you are retiring (ie. if he said at the beginning of the year it was his last year, we certainly would have been more prepared) AND you walk away with so much left in the tank. Before folks jump down my throat, I realize it’s his perogative and he didn’t know before the season what he would do and he owes us NOTHING as he gave us more than we ever could have asked… yeah, I realize all of that, but STILL, it’s the friggin Red Wings. Yzerman can no longer be a face for the franchise because he works for another team (which is still totally disgusting to me) and Lidstrom has basically ridden off into the sunset. Where’s our ambassadors? Chelli is the best we got at this point. No knocking him, but he’s not exactly a “face” of the franchise.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/04/12 at 06:43 PM ET

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iekQK0IMw78

One of my favorite Suter memories. Hopefully Pav can undress him like that again in Minny.

THANK YOU!! SO AWESOME!

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/04/12 at 06:47 PM ET

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No more than 5 mil per year for 5 years…

Five years is long for a guy we’d be hoping would have an attitude/work-ethic change just from playing with Datsyuk.

Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 06:48 PM ET

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Five years is long for a guy we’d be hoping would have an attitude/work-ethic change just from playing with Datsyuk.

Right, but you think, in the current madness, that he’s gonna sign for anything less?

Posted by calquake on 07/04/12 at 06:52 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Chelli is the best we got at this point. No knocking him, but he’s not exactly a “face” of the franchise.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/04/12 at 04:43 PM ET

With Cheli’s Wisconsin and Suter family connections he was probably the better choice over Lidstrom anyway, in that instance.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/04/12 at 06:52 PM ET

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Please no Nash Please no Nash Please no Nash Please no Nash

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 07/04/12 at 06:53 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

5 years is a long term if we have doubts about Semin’s fit for the Wings.  If you offer him just 1 year as a tryout it’s a bit of a slap in the face and the price also goes up, as he will have other options/Suitors.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/04/12 at 06:55 PM ET

awould's avatar

I’d like to see Semin get 3 years, no more than $5MM. That may be wishing too much….

Posted by awould on 07/04/12 at 06:58 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

We have 15 forwards under contract, with Abdelkader let’s assume it’s 16.

If we add another UFA that makes probably 5 forwards we will cut loose, although Brunner and NyQuil have 2-way contracts.

The Defensive roster looks very thin and underwhelming.

Doug Janik is UFA and available.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/04/12 at 07:05 PM ET

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Right, but you think, in the current madness, that he’s gonna sign for anything less?

So we sign him for too much for too long just because?

Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 07:05 PM ET

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Doan….he’s not going to leave PHX…after all these years.

Ray friggin’ Bourque.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/04/12 at 07:05 PM ET

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What about throwing a short-term but huge money contract at Semin (like 2 years @ $8M/yr)? They have the money to spend and it might be enough to talk him out of wanting something longer term.

Posted by RyanVM on 07/04/12 at 07:14 PM ET

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Semin made $6.7 million last year.  Just a reminder…

He made more money than Lids.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/04/12 at 07:18 PM ET

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Right, but you think, in the current madness, that he’s gonna sign for anything less?

So we sign him for too much for too long just because?

Fine, but then what?  Trades?  Not gonna get Nash or Ryan or Yandle without giving up significant pieces to the puzzle.  So we stand pat right?

Posted by calquake on 07/04/12 at 07:19 PM ET

perfection's avatar

With Cheli’s Wisconsin and Suter family connections he was probably the better choice over Lidstrom anyway, in that instance.

Posted by RWBill from hiding indoors from Virginia heat. on 07/04/12 at 04:52 PM ET

I know. I get this. This was just an overall observation. For a team who has relied so much on the “presence” of the former greats… from Howe on down, the fact that NEITHER Yzerman or Lidstrom will be all that present sort of irks me. Those two guys should have winged wheels tattooed on their faces.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/04/12 at 07:21 PM ET

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Not gonna get Nash or Ryan or Yandle without giving up significant pieces to the puzzle.  So we stand pat right?

So you’re just completely dismissing the idea of a trade?  Guess what?  If you want something, you’ve got to give up pieces you might still like.

What’s worse, trading pieces from a team that’s underachieved for the past three years for a goal scorer or being too precious about your team because some day in some dream world Val Filppula is going to be Pavel Datsyuk or Jonathon Ericsson is going to be Nick Lidstrom?

You make some signings, without vastly overpaying and you work the trade route.

There should be very, very few Red Wings who are untouchable, now is not the time to be precious about picks and/or prospects.

It’s one thing to be concerned about mortgaging your future when you know, based on the roster you have, that you’re going to be considered a contender, it’s another to not want to trade prospects when you’ve lost goals up front and three of your top four defensemen in the last 13 months.

Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 07:27 PM ET

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I think Doan will come to the D for the right price.  Sign him and trade for Yandle(using any of our multitude of bottom 6 forwards not named Helm+Tatar).  This will leave us more cap space next year for the Weber sweepstakes.

Posted by Crow on 07/04/12 at 07:31 PM ET

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Goddammit, Garth…GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

We wait until our prospects are 26-27 years of age before we put them in the lineup…then we continue to wait after they turn 29-30 years of age to become the players we thought they would when they were 19-20 years of age. Brilliant!!!

Posted by godblender on 07/04/12 at 07:36 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

It seems apparent to me, DET will have to play run and gun hockey this season.

Their simply are no UFA elite “D” out there.  For gawds sake do not overpay for Carle or whoever the hell else.

Sign Semin, and try to get over 3 G/G - maybe get Doan too.

Kenny will have to work a trade for a “D”, or wait till next year.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 07/04/12 at 07:36 PM ET

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Ok. That’s a slight exaggeration, but only slight.

Posted by godblender on 07/04/12 at 07:37 PM ET

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Goddammit, Garth…GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

Sorry dude, it’s comfy in here and I’m lazy.

Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 07:37 PM ET

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or wait till next year.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 07/04/12 at 05:36 PM ET

Again? I thought the Wings’ brass was like good…or something.

Posted by godblender on 07/04/12 at 07:38 PM ET

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Trade for Bobby Ryan, give San Jose a couple picks for Douglas Murray, sign Carle.

That gives us a solid offensive defenseman, a solid shut-down defenseman and a goal scorer.

And between the three of them you’re paying less per year than you would for Parise & Suter.

Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 07:40 PM ET

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It’s one thing to be concerned about mortgaging your future when you know, based on the roster you have, that you’re going to be considered a contender, it’s another to not want to trade prospects when you’ve lost goals up front and three of your top four defensemen in the last 13 months.

Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 05:27 PM ET

And just who is out there that is going to put Detroit over the top?  Yandle, Ryan or Nash?  Please… Getting one in a trade may be doable but not two.  And last I checked the Wings have more than one glaring deficiency to correct before they will be considered a true Cup contender.  Your not getting rid of Z, Pav, Kronwall, Helm.  So who is left to entice Anaheim, Phoenix or Columbus to make that trade?

Posted by calquake on 07/04/12 at 07:41 PM ET

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So many contradictory statements in this post, drivin’ me nuts trying to sift through bloggers and diggers “insider” perspective about some stuff that just seems remarkably short sighted, and then make wild assumptions that have NO FOUNDING what-so-ever, at least not that has been reported, but we act like it’s common knowledge????

Summer hockey news sucks.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/04/12 at 07:45 PM ET

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Posted by calquake on 07/04/12 at 05:41 PM ET

A top 6 playmaking 2-way center.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/04/12 at 07:45 PM ET

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Can you imagine what the comments section over at mlive reads like? Imagine Valenti’s hockey takes but without the levelheadedness. Yeah. Scary.

Posted by godblender on 07/04/12 at 07:48 PM ET

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And last I checked the Wings have more than one glaring deficiency to correct before they will be considered a true Cup contender.

EXACTLY.  So why are our “pieces of the puzzle” so damned important that we can’t trade them?  We’re not one piece away from being the Cup favourites, so why can’t we trade what we have -that, mind you, hasn’t been working for us- for what we don’t have?

With Lidstrom and Stuart gone, and a need for a top-six scoring winger, the Wings CAN’T cover those needs from within.  Smith is coming up, but Kindl, Ericsson and Quincey aren’t going to morph into #1 defensemen just because we have a hole there.  And Abdelkader isn’t going to morph into a sniping winger just because we need one.

We’ve got decent young prospects, we’ve got draft picks and we’ve got moveable assets.  Why not give up something for Bobby Ryan, who will give us a proven scorer to play with Datsyuk while we ease Brunner and Nyquist onto the team and into big roles?  Why not give up picks for a defenseman who will take the load off of the guys we have now?

Why not try to make the team BETTER instead of just haphazardly trying to patch holes by forcing bottom six forwards and bottom two defensemen into top-six forward and top pairing defensive holes?

NOW is the time to be creative!  With the team as it stands, they’re probably a borderline playoff team.  What’s the worst that happens if they make some trades?  Instead of having Val Filppula have a good year and disappear in the playoffs then sign a big contract with Florida, maybe Bobby Ryan has a good year, plays like we know he can and helps the team!

Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 07:51 PM ET

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My five eggs? Semin signs, roughly the same money he was on, Tick Tock signs someone we barely thought about (Cam Barker? Don’t ask me why, I just have that feeling and it’s a BAD feeling). Trades anything not marked Helm/Nyquist/Smith to get Bobby Ryan. Just a thought.

Nash - practically impossible to get hold of.

Doug Murray - almost the same.

I think Weber may go somewhere next year, certainly not this. He’s more likely to re-up for the year (again) and “take the time to think about it” given the ridiculousness that has been the last few days.

Can’t see a problem with Semin myself, puts up relatively the same numbers as Parise and may blossom without the looming egosulk that is Ovechkin.

Posted by jimathor from The land of Sir Humblepatch of Bumblehound on 07/04/12 at 07:59 PM ET

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And character guys coming from Detroit who may be able to help change a certain culture in a certain city.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/04/12 at 07:59 PM ET

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Al Montoya signs with the Jets.  Damn.  Would’ve liked to see JMac as backup to Pavelec.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/04/12 at 08:03 PM ET

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Well I was hoping for Sutter &, garrison on the back. Moen, Nash or Ryan on the forward side. So now we end up with maybe carle and keeping Q on the back and Sammy, too too and Kenny’s favorite “we like our group” or doan who would have been fantastic 5 years ago. I hope he has something up his sleeve. It looks like we can’t trade up a vega for a nova let alone something new!  Prices just went way up.

Posted by Wbclimb from Az on 07/04/12 at 08:05 PM ET

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Posted by Garth on 07/04/12 at 05:51 PM ET

Making trades is not the issue, who’s going the other way is.  Let’s use your example, Bobby Ryan.  You really think Fil alone will get him? No you don’t, so Fil, Nyquil, Smith and a couple Picks?  Maybe Anaheim goes for it and maybe they don’t.  To give all that up for Bobby Ryan does not measurably improve the team.  Put some names out there Garth, don’t just say it can happen.

Posted by calquake on 07/04/12 at 08:08 PM ET

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I am sure they must consider a balance between protecting the “from within” mantra that Kenny has been saying, and mortgaging the future and maybe the present to get Nash.

There may be an uncomfortable trading of young forwards to get a true top 3, 25 - 30 goal scorer, of which there are few in the league.  But that’s what it takes sometimes, right now being one of those times.  There is some pain in growth.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/04/12 at 08:08 PM ET

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Doug Murray - almost the same.

Really?  I’ve been hearing reports he’s the odd man out now between cap space and the signing of Stuart.  Murray is having a harder time keeping up against younger faster F’s, that’s why they’re giving his spot to Stuart.’

He’d be a good pick-up for us given our situation.

Ryan could be had for Flip and change.

Nash, contrary to our omniscient diggers, is still a possibility.  Nash has a small list.  List of teams that can afford his cap hit is even smaller.  List of teams with top 6 pieces to move, even smaller.  Howson already told the press Nash wanted a trade.  Turns out it was Howson n Co.  that went to him and asked him to waive his clause.  Closer it gets to pre-season the more desperate he’ll be and ALL GM’s know this.  Howson’s hands are tied, he’ll have to take what he can get or risk starting the season with Nash, which I can tell you wont go over well here in Cbus.

And though a lot of people loved Nash, most want new blood here.  Sounds more like Howson trying to set the bar stupid high so WHEN he gets lowballed, it wont be as bad as if he’d have asked for less initially.

And since when is Jabo available?  Thought the Wideman signing was to help the PP, who’d cover down on Jabo’s minutes in calgary?  They already have strong enough D-corp they can lose their number one?  Think have to shed salary to get, who exactly?  Sounds like pipe dreaming and just trying to make the pot look a little bit bigger.  It’s not.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/04/12 at 08:08 PM ET

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Heh.  TSN poll asks, “Are the Wild now a Stanley Cup contender now with Zach Parise and Ryan Suter?”

As of total vote count 8,508:

Yes - ).4
No - p.6

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/04/12 at 08:09 PM ET

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Yes - ).4
No - p.6

Posted by SYF from a drunken Guinness blitz on 07/04/12 at 06:09 PM ET

WTF???

No - 29.4
Yes - 70.6

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/04/12 at 08:11 PM ET

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